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A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

FilthyImp posted:

Yeah, probably the only thing wrong in Halloweentown are OOgie Boogie and maybe the Lock Shock and Barrel trio. But I think that's why it works so well for kids, that idea that things may look a certain way but not be scary/malevolent.

I've always liked that about it. It's a movie where this gothic, noir city is oppressively serious and brought to its knees by a guy using a gruesome joy-buzzer on his foes, leaving them as skeletal husks. Hell, the images of Gothamites clawing over each other for fakebucks while being poisoned, or Joker taking out an impossibly long gun to take down the Batplane, always stick with me.

True. If I were a few years older I might have brought that up.
But I was 6 when it came out. Waiting in line for Batman was one of my earlier film memories. To me, well yes of course Jack Napier killed Batman's parents. Of course he would become the Joker and have this orobouros cause and effect thing with Bruce. Nevermind that Joe Chill comic poo poo that I didn't know about, the film was really cool and everything just made sense to me.

People also seem to forget about Batman Returns, which I think is really one of the most faithful adaptations of Batman. Like, its completely surreal and weird, exists in a world of its own and looks like a bunch of German expressionists throwing a party, but it somehow nails how lonely Bruce and his alterego are and how loving weird his world is.

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A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

See? No justice for the Caped Crusaders best film!

On the subject of things that aged weird, I recently rewatched Blade Runner. That final speech by Hauer is still great, but somehow hit me much harder when I realized that the film takes place in a fictionalized version of the same year that the real Hauer died.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009
Up till twenty, the difference shouldn't be much more than two years.

Between twenty and thirty, everything goes, as long as it's legal.

Between thirty and forty, date anyone between 25 and your own age.

After thirty, it's chaos and just do what you want.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009
If we can accept horny directors like Bay putting fits and rear end close ups everywhere, then I have no problem with letting Tarantino indulge in a few feet shots. It's somehow even less creepy to me, because it comes across more as an honest kink rather than creepy objectifying.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009
Better quality meth means the same high from smaller doses, which allows dealers to sell more and can massively expand the business of a big supplier like Gus. For Walt it was pure ego, but for Gus the blue meth is an actual great business opportunity.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009
Nah, most big VPN services will still do fine, but it took them awhile to get there.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

Pick posted:

I loving have no idea what's even going on in this. There's way too much Lore in the way of whatever it's trying to say.

I genuinely think the only good standalone superhero comic story I can recall was "Two Dangerous Ideas".

There's no need to know the lore, the story is told to a kid who doesn't know the lore either. Just accept that it's a comic book world and focus on the dude's story. It really is pretty amazing.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

Pick posted:

I like "Two Dangerous Ideas" from the 2005 Wildstorm Winter Special because I think it's like 10 pages long total (?) and it has great tonal whiplash. The first "dangerous idea" is punctured with an aloof "heh :smug:" and the second is like.......................... ah. yikes.

Gonna be honest: I just looked it up, and the X-Men story had a greater impact on me than this did. I liked it, but there is always a chance that your partner will leave you doesn't hit me half as hard as your legacy is in the effects you cause because you acted in accordance to your own conscience, not in direct remembrance of you as a person.

Different strokes, I guess.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

El Fideo posted:

The first like, seven notes of the recorder part had me afraid that this was some cheerful kitty version of Look Down from Les Miserables.

Damnit, now I want a version of Les Mis with cats. Just think of how cute it would be!

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

AceOfFlames posted:

Unless Tom Hooper directs, otherwise it would literally be the worst thing in the world.

I know everyone says that Cats should have been done with costumes, but that's the coward's way out. Costumes are for Broadway. Besides, it's a terrible musical anyway. So my suggestion is that for the film, they should have just used actual cats. In a world where CatMovieFest2020 is a real thing, that would have sold like hotcakes.

Can the cats act? Of course not. But with the right director and cameraman, I'm sure it could work. So, eh, not Toby Hooper.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

hawowanlawow posted:

I was listening to "Bobby Brown goes down" today, and on one hand it's funny that a misogynist rapist gets his balls crushed in a vice, but on the other hand... just listen to it

Can't believe it was #1 in Sweden and Norway lol

Despite my parents being big Zappa fans, I had never heard that song until a few years ago when it came on the radio while I was sitting in the car with my mum. She's humming along with the lyrics and I am listening with only half an ear until the song reaches the midway point.

There might be funnier songs, but I don't think I've ever laughed so hard as I did in that car, sitting next to my mum humming along while ol' Frank is singing about how Fred turned Billy into a "sexual spastic".

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

Kevin DuBrow posted:

Yes, he's collaborated with personalities like The Golden One and Sargon and has made videos on his secondary channel about all the typical alt-right topics like MRA, the Islamic invasion of Europe, and why white people can say racial slurs. Even when he focuses on 40k he gets things hilariously wrong like in the video in which he argues that the Imperium of Man is not a fascist government

Man, I really like 40k and for a moment I was worried that this was about Luetin09. Dude makes some solid videos and doesn't seem bad at all. Also, makes quite sure to get the point across that the Empire of Man isn't even a good thing within the lore itself.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

mind the walrus posted:

Godzilla has always been a merch king but aside from "the first one is an allegory for the bombs!" can you name one thing about them that's carried cultural cachet that isn't immediately tied to a toy, design, or comedy bit? I can't speak for you, but growing up Godzilla was always seen as Gen-X horseshit that was fun to embrace but ultimately hollow in lore and themes, the movies not worth a watch unless you were stoned and mocking it.

You could say the first part about Marvel too, though. I loving love most Godzilla films, but I don't see their camp or comedy as a downside. If anything, that is it's unironic charm. It's a world operating on comic book logic and from time to time a massive dinosaur shows up. You can use that concept to tell all kinds of stories.

If you want to speak about Godzilla as a cultural cachet, you also have to include all films that took those concepts and ran with it. Without the big G, there wouldn't be a Jurassic Park 2, Cloverfield, Pacific Rim or Gigantic. King Kong brought big monsters to America, but Godzilla made them a force to be reckoned with rather than a tragic creature that's killed by modernity.

If Marvel and DC is our modern take on gods and heroes, then Godzilla and its offspring are our versions of the drag9n. It's the story of man versus nature, as old as the tales of wyrms and giants. It's about man accidently intruding upon a force of nature, and in our age that dragon took the shape of a radioactive lizard.

And yes, like you I absolutely love Legendary's attempts to bring those concepts into modern blockbusters. They may not be the most successful series of all time, but they're to me what the MCU is to most other people.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009
It's the Grail. Drink from the Holy Grail and you'll be Hollywood-immortal for the rest of your life.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

Cleretic posted:

I could actually see the argument that DS9 or Voyager might be anong the best starting points for Trek. They aren't as good as the best of TNG, but they're really solid, modern enough to not suffer from any 80s TV sci-fi datedness in presentation or storytelling, and don't have a 'don't watch season 1' problem with where to start.

Voyager was my entry point as a kid, but I haven't seen it since then. Considering the history behind it and Ronald Moore's frustrations writing it, I think the way it aged is highly dependant on if a viewer has seen Battlestar Galactica. Since, you know, that show takes the same major conceit of a hopeless journey but specifically does all the things Moore wasn't allowed to do on Voyager.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009
Little Britain had one or two great ideas, but they were lost in a sea of terrible filler. I think the main problem was that it often failed to see how their best sketches were based on bizarre character traits being the punchline, rather than the character existing in the first place.

Lou and Andy would be a good example. There's a great joke hiding in the idea of one being manipulative to the point of very obviously faking immobility, and the other being an enabler who lets it go on. The joke isn't on disabled people existing, it's that someone would be so opportunistic to fake a disability. Like parking-in-the-handicapped-spot taken to its extreme.

Likewise, the computer-says-no lady and medieval hotel guy are pretty funny because it's not punching down - it's about bizarre characters who are clearly unfit for their job but force you to interact with them any way. But they get lost in a sea of lazy stereotypes and ultimately it all goes down the drain of telling the same joke over and over again.

It feels like a show that peaks at sloppy first draft. In a just world, something like That Mitchell And Webb Look would have been international success story.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

Ugly In The Morning posted:

If it makes it any better, his suicide wasn’t related to any issues he had going on at the time, it was because of a particularly gnarly form of dementia. His widow wrote a really interesting piece about it but hell if I can find it right now.

Thank you for this. It sounds weird, but Williams' suicide hit like a ton of bricks. Myself and a lot of my friends struggle with depression and other mental health issues, and Williams was always quite open about his own but also showed that it was something you can fight against and try to live with. When he died, you can imagine that it didn't go over well. If someone like that can't win in the end, then the chances can appear grim.

Since then, we learned more about suicidal tendencies and how they work - how they often come in waves and are less of a decision and more like an incoming truck that not everybody manages to dodge in time. The idea that suicide due to mental illness is a weakness of character rather than a disease claiming another victim is something that we really have to get rid of in our society.

Knowing that it was a literal brain disease like LBD gives a whole other context to the affair. I am reminded of other people I know, like those suffering from Parkinson or dementia, that are faced with the knowledge that their time is inevitably up. It's terrible in a whole other way, but it is a different story. Somewhere between suicide and euthanasia, maybe.

The brain is a strange beast, and often there simply is no right answer.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009
A small joke I really like in Community is in the first season, when Pierce hires a writers room to come up with roasts for a lovely film. It turns out he loves homophobic jokes, but the show makes a running gag out of every other character (including the writers room) reacting very badly when he just starts calling things gay. In a time where other comedies still had no problem making these kinda jokes, that stood out to me.

That, and Abed being a way better representation of someone with autism than Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory ever was.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

Desert Bus posted:

Warren Ellis didn't so much lose his poo poo as get his poo poo handed to him by being outed as a giant sexpest.

https://www.somanyofus.com/

This one hurt, because there's a lot of stuff Ellis wrote that I love and Transmetropolitan had a legit good influence on me. Always suck when someone you respect turns out to be a total dickbag.

But the guy IS a massive dickbag, and the way he got his rear end handed to him through some strong truth-to-power writing and journalism is exactly the type of thing that Spider Jeruzalem would have approved of.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009
I deeply dislike Idiocracy because I feel the butt of the joke isn't stupidity, its the lower class and their 'vulgar' culture.

It equates the poor with the stupid, and anything that's not part of higher metropolitan culture is guilty by association. The poor can't appreciate art, have no taste and can't take care of themselves. It's the nobleman despairing the existence of the common rabble. To me, every other problematic part that other posters have mentioned is just a representation of different aspects of this line of thought. The eugenics (the lower classes can't control themselves!), the comedy racism (man, can you believe this black guy is so outrageous!), you name it. It's all the "lower" cultures that are different from the white bread mainstream. They are of no value, deserve to be mocked and you should feel bad for liking them. This is how it is now and this is how it will be in the far future because culture doesn't change in essence; it just prospers or devolves.

Don't get me wrong, I would think a movie like rear end would be creatively bankrupt. But dammit, the people have the right to see it if they think it's funny!

Beavis and Buthead are still cool in my book, though.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

pentyne posted:

Micheal Bay I think can be agreed is a trash director who's movies aged immediately and also the awareness he was gross as gently caress to all the hot young actresses he would hire to dress in super revealing casual outfits. I don't there's a single Micheal Bay movie post 90s that wasn't either just repeating the same poo poo he started with or a shameless franchise cash in with no effort or care.

Armageddon even aged like milk, the idea a bunch of blue collar roughnecks could outsmart the entirety of NASA. Ben Affleck who was called out for being dumb as poo poo with a lot of his ideas for Daredevil had a story where he called Bay during shooting as the whole thing making no sense and was yelled at to shut his mouth.

Bay is horrible and Pearl Harbor was a massive stealth remake of Wings that managed to make a weak story even worse.

And yet, I loving love Pain & Gain. Bay's hyperbolic, ubermacho poo poo becomes hilarious when it is used to show how these losers with their inflated ego's see the world.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

knife_of_justice posted:

“She’s just 16 years old. Leave her alone, they say…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWHjJt4833I

Good song, shame about the fact that it is creepy as gently caress

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Apparently in the book it happened because everyone was used to nuclear brinkmanship between Pakistan and India, and there were established diplomatic channels to avoid it, but next to none with Iran.

When I saw the movie, I wasn't expecting this to show up. So imagine my surprise when Brad Pitt is in a plane, and we suddenly see this gigantic mushroomcloud in the distance. No context, no warning - just the end of the world and everything has gone wrong. For a film that was quite bad, I thought that was an inspired touch...

...that is then instantly ruined by the camera, which seems to be more interested in Pitt's phone losing connection and his facial reaction to it.

And that's it! It's never brought up or mentioned again; the thermonuclear equivalent of driving through a tunnel at an inconvenient time.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

PhazonLink posted:

Someday some fanfics and other dumb internet things will be ivory twoer grownup serious business topics of study.

Once read an article about queer representation in Star Trek shipping in the seventies. And that was written at least 30 years ago.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009
Also, courtly love is an interesting thing if seen from the woman's perspective. Here you are, in an arranged marriage with a king who's probably twice your age and always away. And then one day there is a strapping young lad who is super tough but also very sensitive in his approach to you, someone who adores you so much that they will do anything to prove it.

If you take the first successful Arthurian romances that introduced courtly love into the mix, you see that writers like Chrétien de Troyes wrote mainly on commission for Queen Marie of France.

So basically, once storytellers figured out that the women of court were by far their most important audience, you start getting stories about sensitive men who appreciate a woman, even though she is married to an uncaring husband.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009
And then there's the stepmother thing, which is about as old as time and can be found in myths throughout the world for very logical reasons.

The main thing that disappoints me about porn is that it has no imagination. Of I go see an action film, I know there's going to be fighting but I can still be fully surprised and delighted by how the film does that. Bizarre scenarios, cool framing, weird themes: surprise me!

But when you watch porn, you get loving. Mainly a rougher or more extreme version of loving as we all know it.

Do you remember that film Shoot 'Em Up with Clive Owen? Where every fight is something completely bizarre but also really awesome? Or the first time watching John Wick?

That's the feeling of surprise I am looking for. Give me porn that isn't afraid to completely break with reality, explore things that are new to the audience and try to put some actual soul into it. Humans are incredibly horny, and a good artist should be able to use that horny in unexpected ways.

Instead we get people stuck in windows. Say what you want about Lemon Stealing Whores, but at least it was a premise.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

Ambitious Spider posted:

Chocolate is really good with the kneeing people in the face action too, but it’s premise is a bit uh problematic

For a moment I thought this was about Chocolate (2000) with Juliette Binoche and was highly confused.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

Loomer posted:

It also has the real Art Bell!

Prey was one of those rare moments where the stars align to give me a game which just combines so many things I like. From Art Bell to Blue Oyster Cult, that game was awesome.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

Torquemada posted:

Men hunted weed and pizza I bet

Its an important task, but one me and my partner fulfill in equal measure.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

hawowanlawow posted:

I was gonna make a Fallen joke, but apparently Elias Koteas and Christopher Meloni are two different people. Holy gently caress.

Incidentally, Fallen still owns. I am a sucker for 90s / 00s religious thrillers. The prophecy, fallen, seven, the ninth gate. All good poo poo. Are there any other good ones?

Four horsemen is a dog turd though

Bit of a late reply, but Knowing scratches this itch for me as well.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009
Wow. Say what you will about Infinite, but it has an incredible ending and the perfect post-credits scene to offset how loving grim it was. Booker was irredeemable in every timeline that leads him to be baptized, but in an infinite multiverse there is always the option that some version of him and Elizabeth don't have to do that. And look, here they are as different people in Rapture, ready to have another adventure.

I just looked up the story of the DLC, and it pisses all over itself, Infinite and even the original. When the whole point of your game is that there is no such thing as predestination, just action-reaction and diverging branches of consequence, why the gently caress would you make it a closed timeloop?! Just so you can prevent anyone from ever playing with your toys again? Jesus, now I'm wondering if Levine uses co-writers or something, because this is all just so incredibly loving dumb.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009
The entire 360/PS3-era was really bad when it came to japanese devs trying to 'westernize' their franchise. Turns out that cultural idiosyncrasies are a thing most players actually like, and wrangling your franchise into the mold of a generic western game will just get you...a generic game.

Ironically, I think the most influential title of that generation was Dark Souls, a game made by a developer who did not compromise on their ideas in the slightest and found a niche that happened to perfectly overlap with both Japanese fantasy like Berserk and western knights- and-wizards stories.

It's almost like compromising your vision to cater to imagined and over-generalized cultural conceptions is a Bad Idea.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009
It's the internet. People weren't more or less outraged in the nineties than they are now, they just didn't have easily accessible platforms to share their garbage opinions.

Say what you want about this era of terminally online fascists, but at least we actually have shows with characters that are queer or not white. In the nineties, I remember long opinion pieces about how brave/controversial Will & Grace was.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009
Speaking of Little Britain, can anyone explain what the hell the thinking behind Pompidou? I watched it for ten minutes and thought I was having a stroke.

Holy poo poo, trying to look up the title of this show brought me to gem of an understatement:

Wikipedia posted:

Inspired by Charlie Chaplin, Morph, Laurel and Hardy, Pingu, Buster Keaton, Jacques Tati, and Marty Feldman, Pompidou aimed to reinvent visual comedy for the twenty-first century, and create an international series for a global audience. It did not succeed in this task.

EDIT: Writing this did remind me of a way better reference in modern media to silent comedy: the opening shot of John Wick 2, when the camera pans from a screen showing the motorcycle chase from Sherlock Jr. to some unlucky rider getting killed by Wick. Me and a friend have a fun game of spotting Buster Keaton references in films, and it's always the choreographers and stunt professionals that pull through.

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Sep 21, 2009

Dirt Road Junglist posted:

This is basically the entire plot and theme of The Fall (the Tarsem movie with Lee Pace, not the British crime show with Gillian Anderson). The end of movie montage is literally a supercut of Buster Keaton era stunt performances.

Pretty sure it's aged well. It's basically a fairy tale on top of an OSHA horror story. The child lead is a delight.

Paper Tiger posted:

And it's a gorgeous as hell movie too, it's just a drat shame that it's not available via streaming anywhere (as far as I can tell).

Man, The Fall is like one of those perfect storms of filmmaking where everything just comes together so right. If anyone hasn't seen it, it's worth just buying it on disk and going in blind. I would do horrible things for a 4K release of that film.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

Ghost Leviathan posted:

They already had multiple games where Luigi rescues Mario.

Super Princess Peach is a weird game. They have a whole thing with her talking umbrella that doesn't really go anywhere, and a lot of it is recycled Yoshi's Island and Super Mario World sprites. It's got almost fangame vibes. And yeah, the whole emotion thing is weird, though it's pretty interestingly played- one of the themes is that everyone's emotions are out of whack, so there's enemy variants that are crying or furious or happy and behave differently.

It was a solid but forgettable platformer. I think one of the main reasons it's still remembered is that it was used as an example by Anita Sarkeesian in one of her first videos. Meaning that if some future historian is going to write about the rise of fascism in America, they are going to stumble on weird neckbeards triggered over the critique of a cartoon princess.

gently caress, the last decade was weird.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009
It's not just with kids, I have friends who insist that my cats are not just brothers but also gay lovers.

Because they lick each other's assholes. Because they are cats.

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009
I never got what the point of those comics was. Like, I'd read online how meaningful a comic about gay Snagglepuss is, and how it shows something meaningful about American society etc. I looked it up on Wikipedia, and apperently it's about Stonewall and includes an emotional scene where closeted cartoon dog Quick Draw McGraw beats up Huckleberry Hound during the Riots.

Meanwhile, I'm just left wondering why you would take what seems like a super meaningful story and then insist to tell it with a loving cartoon cat. It feels super cynical, like I wouldn't understand it if they didn't explain it through the medium of Fred Flinstone. Like the very definition of the term manchild.

Like, learning that Rosie the Robot is operated by the subconscious mind of George Jetson's dead mother gives me zero new meaningful insight about the original characters. Who gives a poo poo? Is this the publishing equivalent of a Robot Chicken sketch? Because those have the good sense to end after a few minutes at most.

Again, I feel like I'm missing something here. Is it as cynical as it sounds on paper?

A Worrying Warlock
Sep 21, 2009

Ghost Leviathan posted:

You could always just read it. It's not hard to find, and not very long.

Eh, gently caress it, might as well. Got a lot of traveltime coming up soon anyways, and I can't really offer any meaningful opinion of it until then. Also didn't know there was one about Dick Dastardly, and that concept sounds pretty funny.

In case the original post came of as mean-spirited: this is just me trying to explain why I don't get the appeal. If you read it and liked it, that's probably your gain and my loss because you got something out of it and I haven't tried it yet.

And whoever set that not wanting to read about Stonewall through a cartoon cat: it's not an insulted boomer take ("How dare they!") and more of a general feeling of "what does this random franchise add?" And I can't really put that sentiment into arguments because it's a gut feeling. The closest I've come to defining it is that it feels like encountering deranged fanfiction.

On the other hand, I think Watchmen would have probably still be really good if Moore had gotten the rights to use the Question, the Atom etc. So what's the difference? I have no idea, I think it's putting trust in the author that they know what they're doing because it requires a really deft hand. And those Hannah-Barbera comics never sparked that trust, so maybe that's why I always just saw it as not for me.

EDIT:

mind the walrus posted:

Yeah like I hated the PR circus trying to prop up that run of comics as instant landmarks or cult classics...

... but they're also short experiments taking advantage of one of the most niche and disposable corners of IP management to do something. It didn't work, and everyone moved on. After a point kicking the poo poo out of them for the sin of "trying" is some troglodyte nonsense.

The boy's club doesn't let people with actual different perspectives write and I know you know this.

This is exactly the answer I was looking for to explain things! I get the sentiment better now, and your comment about the Boys Club also hits the nail on the head for me.

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Sep 21, 2009

BioEnchanted posted:

There's one cartoon that's aged surprisingly well but fell into being lost media that seems that only I am aware of, UK cartoon Captain Zed and the Zee Zone. There is a single youtube channel with about 10 surviving episodes (other eps exist but are unwatchable due to audio-visual issues) that are low quality but legible enough to understand and appreciate the art, and there are some neat premises and subplots between the episodes that show that it really wanted to explore the setting of the Dream Patrol

There is no way you're not casting the same magic here as in Games - you're going to have caused this thing to have materialized out of the ether now! :aaaaa:

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