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Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.
Anybody else suddenly getting tons of random spam messages on PSN?

Why now all of a sudden?

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Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Raxivace posted:

Maybe the messages are from ourselves in the future trying desperately to change something terrible from happening, but the text just arbitrarily doesn't travel through time making the entire effort meaningless. We should just accept our fates IMO.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

what is this from?

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

HoboNews posted:

So nice and thoughtful.
I'm in Dallas for a week on business. Dallas seems like a very uninteresting city. There are some nice museums around here but they all close by the time I finish my work.
...Hence why I asked about mobile games. I have a lappy tappy but it's worse than my phone on all points.
Void Pyramid looks :krad: btw

Dallas is the serious business city of Texas and its super boring.

Although while the traffic is pretty hostile, at least they drive fast unlike Austin which is both hostile and slow.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

vermin posted:

Has anybody heard of this?

Apparently it's like some kind of hyper-realistic pirate simulation. Like Red Orchestra 2 but with pirates.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHskC7JRL9M

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

FirstAidKite posted:

Launch should be playable in more dragonball games

Right now I think the games you can play as her in are "0"

Thing is there's very few dragonball games, there's a poo poo ton of dragonball z games and Launch had virtually no role in DBZ whatsoever.

I mean 18 was basically the Z redesign of Launch. Complete with Krillin falling for her.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

vermin posted:

Can anybody sum up Destiny's story for me?

http://kotaku.com/a-beginner-s-guide-to-the-world-of-destiny-1800013915

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

exquisite tea posted:

When WoW came out there was literally no playbook for what raids should be like besides really big tough bad guys you beat with 40 people instead of 5. Our ideas that raids should be highly organized events with complex boss encounters comes entirely from WoW post-BWL and beyond.

Absolutely. As much as I love everquest (And still play it) all the raids were a completely different animal than anything in a modern mmo. But for that matter, so was vanilla wow.

It wasn't until late vanilla / BC where the boss mechanics started getting really interesting and moving beyond tank and spank for most things. They also got rid of threat mitigation as a mechanic somewhere around the end of BC / WOTLK and focused way more on active mechanics.

Unfortunately Destiny 1 came out in 2014, which is long long long after Blizzard already figured all this out the hard way. Destiny 1's bosses in Vanilla and even the first two expansions until Taken King were entirely huge health pool tank and spank fights with no strategy or mechanics whatsoever. Vault of glass actually had mechanics but it was literally the only thing and it took Bungie a long time to make just that one raid.

Luckily by the last expansion of D1 they'd realized how stupid that was having bosses like valus ta'aurec and instead started working on dungeon/strike bosses more like the raid bosses. Its possible they cherry picked the beta level because it was the best one they made, but hopefully that beta strike is indicative of the bar of quality for all of D2's strikes. It had actual jumping mechanics and a boss with phases and adds and poo poo. That was pretty dece.

corn in the bible posted:

when wow was new it had, what, one raid? but that was over a decade ago lol

It launched with... I wanna say two, but they were super loving rushed. Course Vanilla WoW was so slow to level compared to modern WoW, more like EQ, that it took people months to hit 60 and gave them time to work on more raids after MC.

They ended up having a poo poo ton of raids before the first expansion... although wow also only does expansions every couple years where destiny has no monthly fees so they do like 3 expansions a year instead.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

homeless snail posted:

the sequel to chivalry bombed so badly they're giving it away for free now, yikes
http://store.steampowered.com/app/368420/Mirage_Arcane_Warfare/

Ouch. It looked fun but I saw this coming, too niche.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

I'm sad this thing didn't take off

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

FirstAidKite posted:

Here's a controller I'm not a fan of





Made reloading annoying as hell. It's a light gun but you had to pump it to reload and for a game where you're shooting a ton it's just a big pain.

I dunno man some of my best light gun memories in the arcade was with the shotgun controllers. When I was something really young like 9 my friends and I would play carnevil and house of the dead and we'd have 4 kids with 2 shooting and the other 2 would just reload the guns non-stop while they shot, it was stupid but hey.

It was kinda great though because you could just continually shoot while reloading without having to move the gun off-screen like every other light gun game.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

FirstAidKite posted:

Ok now imagine playing without having someone else to reload for you :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I6hh-sHrNE

It makes me sad that typing of the dead 2 never got a release outside of Japan since that would've solved my problems with that game

I have, we didn't ALWAYS play that way, it was a rare novelty.

Yes typing of the dead rules. Just get the PC version.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Monkey Fracas posted:

I... don't like any of these

People have terrible taste :(

CSGO and Rainbow Six are decent in moderation, but there's so many great games out there that deserve to be higher on that list.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

dogsicle posted:

survival games appeal to me because they seem pretty low stakes and basically exist to have you in a gathering/crafting loop that gradually makes you more powerful. exactly the sort of thing that would work well to casually play while watching something else.

I like the idea but games like ARK have big problems. Co-op becomes too easy, its a race to build a huge base and then there's no challenge so you just... wipe the server and start over? Minecraft had that issue too.

Meanwhile competitive is very exciting but then eventually you have to log off and go to sleep, and when you wake up your entire base has been burned to the ground and you're covered in poop.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Everybody hates on waterworld but I think its a pretty decent and somewhat original film, if messy.

But you gotta wonder why they don't just distill the water in the ocean rather than piss...

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Help Im Alive posted:

I did not realise IGN/gamespot have been around since 1996 :popeye:

Ohhh yeah. I remember reading IGN and some website like CCC (cheat code central?) waaaay back in the 90s.

IGN actually wasn't half bad at first. But it didn't take long.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

So there was a follow-up article to that Cuphead video that was posted earlier that provides some context.

I thought it was a funny thing to watch and goof on one afternoon; of course I should have expected that some people would use it as an opportunity to open up another front in the idiot wars and start sending death threats

How did this guy completely miss out on the Polygon Doom scandal?

He's acting SO surprised about all of this. "What? I posted video of an un-released game being played badly and people are upset? HUUUUH?"

Like if you're a "games journalist" maybe pay attention to things that happen in games journalism??

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.
This guy wrote a 500 word diatribe on "youtube comments were mean to me"

Like grow the hell up, dude. Of course they were! Its loving youtube!

Was this guy born yesterday? Its 2017! Who still reads youtube comments! This guys is just making himself out as a victim in any way possible to cover his shame. "Waaaah; the internet was so mean!"

If youtube comments ruin your day, you really shouldn't have a job involved in the internet. Or anything public.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Sakurazuka posted:

Just walk away from the screen

https://twitter.com/tylerthecreator/status/285670822264307712

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Endorph posted:

why are you stanning for people that sent racist death threats to a guy for being bad at a video game

why is this the hill you want to die on

Hey if you actually read the article 'death threats' were never even mentioned.

Its just a guy who posted a bad youtube video and overreacted that people called him bad at videogames. Grow up.

There's one tweet saying "i'm gonna smash you in the face" and goons say that poo poo all the time. Zero death threats mentioned in the entire article. You made that poo poo up jabroni.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Endorph posted:

dont you have a rally in charlottesville to be getting to

I disagree so you're a nazi

That's horseshit and you know it.

Endorph posted:

we live in a society that is increasingly connected by the internet and is increasingly linking the internet to real life. the internet isn't some fake dimension where nothing happens anymore, it is real life. presidential elections, wars, the decisions of high-ranking government officials, murder, are all influenced and in some cases even caused by things that happen on the internet. most people use their real name and real photograph to represent themselves on the internet. there are a ton of jobs that require directly engaging with the internet, including that guy's. you can't just 'walk away' from twitter death threats when part of your job description is being active on the internet.

No poo poo, but the internet is also full of trolls and just because somebody said something mean to you on twitter doesn't mean you need to call the FBI. The vast majority of the time it isn't even being posted in earnest, its just trolling. You can ignore people giving you poo poo on twitter, and you have to. Nobody responds to every angry post on twitter, or youtube. There's no time. So you choose to engage with a few and ignore the rest, which is just silly.

I never said death threats were cool, stop putting words in my mouth. That's total bullshit. I'm absolutely against violence. If you get serious credible death threats then you have to contact the police.
But you can criticize the video or the journalist without making death threats and that is totally fair to do. If you post a video on youtube expect people to tell you that you're awful. Expect it.

If his article was "I got some death threats and that's not cool" then yeah we agree. But it goes way past that.

Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Sep 10, 2017

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Endorph posted:

even if you ignore the dumb threats you get on twitter, getting hundreds of messages about how you're worthless/should kill yourself mixed in with some racism is not nice. it is bad. it makes you feel bad. no matter how you try to say 'laugh it off' or 'ignore it,' you still have to acknowledge the fact that you are getting hundreds of those messages, which is bad.

Of course it isn't nice. Racism isn't nice. Sexism isn't nice. No poo poo? Welcome to planet Earth.

Endorph posted:

and you say 'call the cops' like the cops actually do anything about anything like this no matter how bad it gets.

So ... we should all post about it on the internet? Because that'll do things?

No, if there's a serious threat that's what you do. The cops do actually do things sometimes. Other times the business you work for can hire a security detail. You don't fight death threats with more twitter posts.

Endorph posted:

what is even your point here? 'everyone should be getting death threats?' 'being yelled at on the internet for literally nothing is extremely cool?' how does it go 'way past that?' dude just regrets giving the gamergate types more ammo to feed off of that'll probably be funneled into ruining some woman's life.

Of course loving not.
Maybe if you'd try to have a conversation instead of jumping to conclusions and labeling me a nazi :rolleyes:

"Have fun at charlottesville rear end in a top hat!"
"...."
"Hey I don't get what it is you're saying!"

Like lmao dude, of course you don't understand. If you just wanna be angry and attack some non-existent gamergate strawman, have fun I guess...

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Zaphod42 posted:

I never said death threats were cool, stop putting words in my mouth. That's total bullshit. I'm absolutely against violence.

Endorph posted:

what is even your point here? 'everyone should be getting death threats?'

Yep that's what I said.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Andrast posted:

It's more likely that they'll fire you for being a hassle

It depends upon if the job requires you to do something public. Journalists not so much.

Although 'game journalists' maybe, since its not the most professional industry.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Endorph posted:

I have literally had a friend's life get uprooted because of her getting sent seventy million rape threats because she said a video game was bad, gently caress off

I'm sorry that happened to your friend, truly. This seems like a sensitive subject for you though which is why I think you're overreacting and not actually listening to anything I say.

I don't know what to say other than "I am not saying what you think I am". You're upset and you've turned me into a gamergate boogeyman because you want to be angry at something right now. That something isn't me.

Endorph posted:

*posts name of your child and a picture of their face and where they go to school with descriptive threats to rape her because you said grand theft auto 5 was sexist and weird*
*cops refuse to do anything*
'wow, maybe just walk away from the screen? welcome to the internet, heh. :smug:'

Jesus Christ Endorph.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.
I just saw Endorph refer to SA as "the rape forum" in the kickstarter thread un-ironically so onto my ignore list they go

Why do you even post here if you feel that way... I don't get it.

wuggles posted:

I just got a PS4! Destiny 2 is good.

Waiting for the stupid delayed PC release :(

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

FauxLeather posted:

I hope Destiny 2 is (or at least becomes) better than the first one. I jumped into 1 when the Rise of Iron expansion dropped and it still felt absolutely devoid of any content, the gunplay was naff too.
Apparently Shaders are one-time consumables now and that really blows because those were my fav part of 1.

Destiny 1 had a boat load of problems, especially at vanilla launch, but they were almost entirely on the RPG side of things. The FPS part was always pretty rock solid in most people's opinion, coming from Bungie's experience with Halo. If you though the gunplay was naff you probably won't enjoy D2 because I doubt they'll change the core combat model. The demo felt very similar.

That said, some of how the gunplay feels involves the enemies, and the bosses in lots of D1 were just huge health pools which felt AWFUL to fight against. They seem to have learned their lesson so I'm hoping there's none of that in D2, which could improve the 'gunfeel' in a way. Hard to say.

Yeah shaders are consumables and the destiny forums are on fire right now because of it. Its like Vietnam over there. They're doing damage control but its not going very well. (And IMO it was a dumb change)

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

"I don't mean that in a bad way..." :v:

But then he also says "what an rear end in a top hat" so obviously you did dumbass.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Fargin Icehole posted:

While Tyler, The Creator's 2012 tweet was funny, If walking away from the screen solved the problem, people Anita Sarkeesian wouldn't need to be escorted anywhere due to the dozens of stalkers and thousands of death threats. Or that guy who gave Majora's Mask an 8/10 would've just moved on to the next game.

I get it, it's the internet. But just like anything else, you won't see it as a problem unless it actually happens to you.

That tweet was funny and I just posted it responding to what another goon posted, sorry if it was taken the wrong way. At that point the conversation was about games journalists being bad and elitism of video games though.
Like I said, there were no death threats mentioned in the article.

Endorph took it really personally and made it about death threats, and did point out that somebody mentioned he should kill himself which isn't a threat but is also unacceptable. That changes things and at that point I tried to make it clear that I'm completely against violence, threats, or telling anybody to commit suicide, but Endorph had already labeled me a nazi and wouldn't really listen to me.

I think we should be able to criticize dumb youtube videos. I also think nobody should make death threats. Cool?

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Fargin Icehole posted:

I agree, and at the same time i have to confess

I lasted three minutes on that cuphead video. The video legit made me angry, it reminded me of one of those Retsupuraes where someone who is awful at Contra decided to record a session for all the internet to see.

Obviously not enough to write something unacceptable like a death threat, but what the gently caress was that guy thinking

Exactly :)

We can all be adults and say that guy's cuphead video was frustrating and he's bad at games, and even further he should have realized the reception would be poor, but even people who are bad at games should live full and happy lives.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Lizard Wizard posted:

So my grandma might be on her deathbed. She's "taken a turn for the worse" and I'm home alone for the time being while parents deal with it. When my grandpa passed, it didn't hit me that hard - maybe because I didn't know him that much, or maybe just the result of a broken brain.

I don't know where I'm going with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH2w6Oxx0kQ

:smith:

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

chumbler posted:

The cuphead video is good because it highlights how much general video game knowledge even tutorials assume, and that is still a barrier to them gaining a larger audience. Granted that wasn't the sole issue he had, but it does make up a lot of it.

Eh, its not really that the tutorial assumes tons of video game general knowledge so much as the game overall requires it. Its not a particularly easy game.

I don't think that's a bad thing. Different products are marketed at different markets. That journalist guy makes the argument that everything should try to appeal to everybody, but I completely disagree. I don't like one-size-fits-all. I think some games can be more appealing to entry and others can be more hardcore. Like WoW and EVE Online. I don't think its wrong that EVE Online is what it is, and I don't think it should have to change. People are free to make whatever games as products or art that they want, and it'll make money based on how much people care.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Motto posted:

Even dark souls has stuff like summoning that I see people get weird about

Dark souls has a big mistique among gamers and people love to one-up each other and beat the game on insane challenges and stuff.

But those people are silly. Summoning is cool, don't use it if you don't want it. Good optional difficulty. I would be against changing too much of souls just to make it accessible, if you can't beat the first boss the point is you need to get better and practice, not that you should just move on to the next boss. Its not like dark souls has awesome cutscenes for you to watch between levels, the point is actually learning the game and the bosses and levels, and that itself is the adventure. You'd be cheating it to actually have an 'easy' mode where the boss just dies in one or two hits and never does much damage to you.

But for most games I think lots of things are vestigial, like lives and game overs. In Dark Souls, the concept of death is an integral mechanic. So it belongs. In most games it isn't at all. Why do Mario games even have lives anymore? There's no reason. Its all holdovers from arcade credits.

I think lots of games should just let you skip levels at will. As much as neither is a game I'm crazy about, Alone in the Dark let you skip levels (and even told you what you missed), and the latest Call of Duty did too I think? That's actually a good thing, for those kinds of games.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Motto posted:

Odyssey just docks you 10 coins, speaking of which.

Holy poo poo, they finally moved on! Good move.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

chumbler posted:

I'm not saying games need to target everybody, but they could do a lot better about teaching people to play them or being more accessible to worse players, and their communities and frequently the devs themselves could be less hostile to people who need those things (but that's a pipe dream if ever there was one).

I'm also excluding most competitive games from this because there's really no way you could make SC or dota or quake or whatever more accessible, though maybe I'm just not thinking creatively enough.

I dunno, fighting games have added some pretty good training modes and even tutorials in games like Mortal Kombat X or Guilty Gear Xrd that explicitly tell the player about parries and roman cancels and all kinds of poo poo like that, which normally you'd have to pick up on outside the game.

And SC2 does a decent job of matching you with players your skill level, so you can kinda practice and slowly get better. And the single player is basically a tutorial.

The other thing though is making a bigger or more complex tutorial takes time and money. Cuphead is this sorta big/indie game that's been dragged out for years... at this point they're probably struggling to keep the lights on and get it polished enough to sell.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Raxivace posted:

Summoning in Dark Souls is fun because working with other people to fight monsters is fun IMO.

Same, Dark Souls is one of the best co-op games in years.

That said, I also like the challenge in beating bosses solo. Play the game however you want! Either way or both.

FauxLeather posted:

I know what you mean. When my pal told me he blasted through each of the Dark Souls games for the first time, I was really excited to hear what he thought of the whole experience. Turns out he "stood in the back while my summons blasted the bosses with overpowered magic because I couldn't be bothered to fight". It's hard not to be a little bit disappointed after hearing that, especially since I love those games and how the combat feels.

This is weak though. At least try :( If you wipe on a boss like 20 times then maybe okay.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

The White Dragon posted:

i'm still bummed the mouse didn't go after him but then i just wanna watch youtube and social media burn

Disney dropped him at least, right?

In Training posted:

My first time through a souls game I let myself get summoned for each boss like five times just because I like to fight bosses. And then I will fight them solo until I can win.

I still wish souls games would let you re-fight bosses solo like Majora's Mask. All games should do that. Why did Zelda stop doing that it was cool.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Motto posted:

I'm not sure they can do that? Not that YouTube cares that much when it comes to dmca claims but

They can, copyright law is really stupid.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Help Im Alive posted:

I wonder what the first YouTube billionaire will be like

YouTube was sold to Google for $1.65 billion so, the guys who made it. :cheeky:

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Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Dragonatrix posted:

Also do people really still actually care about Guitar Hero/Rock Band, like at all? I haven't heard basically anything about 'em at all from like anyone anywhere in almost a decade. Genuinely curious there.

Nope. They flooded the market with too many fast sequels that did nothing but add new songs, the games burned out their own market, and it died. A few years after the death they tried to bring it back with a new rock band and a new guitar hero but both sold very poorly. Its dead.

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