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Apr 6, 2007

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A Strange Aeon posted:

What made everyone take the plunge to digital comics? Is there a "comics lover" tablet that makes comics super easy to read, without needing to zoom in or scroll around, that doesn't go panel by panel but gives you the entire page, that I've been missing out on? Or are people just reading on their computer? Or is having to scroll around or zoom or go panel to panel just not as distracting to others as it is to me?

I just find it really hard to bite the bullet on digital comics--I could see the usefulness of stuff like Marvel Unlimited, to binge on out of print or expensive reprint stuff, or just to decide on a given series that seems interesting, without making a large commitment either in money or shelf space, but buying individual issues or even trades doesn't seem appealing to me. But it'd be great to take advantage of sales and read interesting stuff instantly, so maybe I'm missing something fundamental about the experience.

I'd be curious how many people are all digital, no digital or both, and how it breaks down by age. I'm in my early 30s, for what it's worth, and I aml basically no digital at all.

Its stupid cheap, you can can get huge volumes for literal pennies on the dollar if you wait for sales. You don't need to have space for these issues cuz you can download and redl them at your convenience

Literally any 8"+ tablet can show a full size page, although as a 10" tablet owner i would recommended at least 10" to read full page even with tiny font

Tbh the only reason to read physical comics now is to keep your fav lcs from collapsing cuz digital is absolutely the future

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A Strange Aeon posted:

I don't know, maybe future future, but not the near future, at least in my opinion. Having never really gotten into floppies, because they seem pretty inconvenient to read and I don't have an established Wednesday ritual where I'd get the next piece of the dozen different serials I'm following, at least for trades, I think the physical product doesn't take up much more space than a regular book and doesn't have to be stored differently. Obviously, people into manga who want all 287 volumes of One Piece or whatever probably have a challenge on their hands. I also think giving someone a book as a real gift is nice--not that wrapping is particularly important, but giving someone a digital book doesn't seem to be the same thing to me.

I don't know, thinking it out, having a record collection or dvd collection or book collection is in some way a statement about what your tastes are--if you just stream everything or own it all digitally, how do you surround yourself where you live with the things that give your life richness? Or is that a bygone concept, as our living spaces get smaller and less affordable and having a library of actual things drifts into the realm of only the very wealthy? I can imagine apartments in ~30 years all being identical, because the media that would describe the person who lives there is all stored behind a tablet's black screen.

That drifted off somewhere, sorry--few people gave their ages, which is fine, but I would guess the all digital folks skew younger, which would make sense. It sounds like for me to really see how good it can be, I need a bigger tablet than my Kindle--it's fine for regular ebooks, but I suspect I'd only be able to do guided view for comics. And I don't think there's a Marvel Unlimited app for it...would have to sideload it or something.

Well I'm 31 and absolutely do not have the space for bookshelves and long boxes full of floppies.

Like buying A Book for someone as a gift is a whole different ball game than buying and storing hundreds or thousands of comic books

And yes tbh I do believe there's a certain amount of economic privilege in the question of why don't you just have five bookshelves full of all the comics you've bought at full price.

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Roth posted:

Standard is 3.99.

However, DC's biweekly books is 2.99, some indies that started out at that price are also still 2.99. Marvel frequently adds backup stories to new #1s to justify a 4.99 price tag, and some annuals and event books get even more expensive per issue.

Also, this is for A Single Comic. This isn't factoring in that on any given week there can be anywhere from 10 to 30 good books being released. Now times that by 4 weeks in a month and you're looking at hundreds of dollars being dropped on comics alone. That's not something everyone can just do.

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Skwirl posted:

I recently cancelled Marvel Unlimited and Gwenpool is one of the books I missed, has she even met Deadpool?

Yes. And she didn't know how to effectively deal with him because she doesn't like him as a character and didn't read his book

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Apr 6, 2007

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Mario bros owns i dunno what y'all are talking about

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A Strange Aeon posted:

I got a bunch of free Marvel digital trades from buying print books on Amazon or something, and I picked up the first volume of Ennis's Punisher.

I just finished the first 4 Vietnam issues and Jesus Christ--is his entire run this good?

Skip volumes 2, kitchen Irish, and volume 8, widowmaker. Pick up the tbp From First to Last or alternatively find the one shots, The Tyger and The Cell

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Skwirl posted:

Nah, those are good too.

They

Are not

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Skwirl posted:

I at least appreciate Kitchen Irish because it's a Punisher story where everything would be the same if Punisher never showed up

That's actually one of the reasons why it sucks balls. It's Garth venting about The Troubles featuring a fairly racist charicature in maginnty and is a story that has nothing to do with Frank castle at all.

Widowmaker, similarly, is a good idea in theory, how would the family of someone killed by the punisher react to them being murdered?, but (imo) is poorly written, the villains are (again) bland and uninteresting and the plot literally depends on Frank sitting in a bed not doing anything for entire arc because he chooses not to break the cuffs (which is shown to be a conscious choice) until the last three pages of the book, which if he had cared he might've saved a woman from suicide. It's really loving dumb

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A Strange Aeon posted:

My friend was telling me about the newish Batman series and he mentioned Gotham Girl but I thought he said Goblin Girl and that made me wonder if Green Goblin ever had a female teenage sidekick named Goblin Girl.

That will be the handle of the osborne/gwen stacy love child that pops up for the next spidey event in two years

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As a dissenting opinion i love Silver Surfer, it's great. But i guess you have to like wonderfully drawn love stories :shrug:

I've also never seen an ep of dr who, so...

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Apr 6, 2007

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Sounds like this dude was pretty influential RIP

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Apr 6, 2007

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*woosh*

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Apr 6, 2007

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I need a roll of police tape that just says gently caress OFF!

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Apr 6, 2007

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Hi my name is Bob and I'm the hulk

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Apr 6, 2007

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X-O posted:

I'm not saying someone can't argue back with these people. People like you and I can and should. It's just when I see a creator retweet some rear end in a top hat like this who's the literal definition of a nobody the only person that ever gets any benefit out of it, other than the personal satisfaction of telling an rear end in a top hat off, is the rear end in a top hat because more people are getting exposed to their bullshit.

Again there's no ideal solution to this at all. The internet is a trash fire and will be one long after we're all dead because there's a lot of garbage people.

Except he's not a nobody on the Twitter sphere. The guy has thousands of followers that organize targeted harassment campaigns against black, queer, and women creators. He has more followers than most creators. Plus he has a youtube presence. Even, ugh, bleeding cool has done articles about him.

Like, yes this has culminated in getting creators to block chain his followers over the past couple days. But that won't end the harassment, and people need to be told that that poo poo is not okay, not just by fans but people with an actual voice because this is 2017 of the worst timeline

I know this is sa and we've been dealing with lovely people for years but getting hundreds of messages of people telling you to eat poo poo and die because youre a _fill in the blank_ sjw human being day in and day out is psychologically damaging and your solution is basically some Tyler the creator nigga just close your eyes poo poo and guess what eventually the walls you put up break

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Zachack posted:

OK but does Tynion have a voice that will actually achieve a meaningful end? Waid's response is closer to what needs to happen: actual ramifications with potentially lasting outcomes. If bleeding cool is doing articles about the guy that aren't massively negative or come with instructions on how to target that person's livelihood/day to day happiness, then creators could blacklist Bleeding Cool.

So you're saying don't bother calling out harassment unless you're going to beat up the harasser at a con

Personally I'd rather creators put it on blast and make people aware and hopefully be part of a movement to quash these guys than do nothing at all but then again as a trans woman in the comics twitter sphere I've actually had to deal with these people so maybe i just have a stake in the game while y'all can sit on the sidelines and not have to worry :shrug:

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Zachack posted:

Why are call outs and limited physical violence the only options you can come up with? Charlottesville was interesting because that's the first time I can think of where aggressive doxxing of the Nazis was deployed and it appears to be super effective because bruises heal but economic damage tends to last. Family members of the protesters started getting dragged in, you think that doesn't have real lasting effects on curtailing some assholes? Name and shame so badly that they can't even buy coffee at their local Starbucks.

The news cycle is ridiculously fast and today's story is tomorrow's barely read chryon. Opinions and awareness just aren't enough any more. Demand more of Tynion. Don't let voices that carry water just slosh their bucket around, make them put out the fire. Push for Alonso to have Marvel boycott events in the area where that guy lives, or at least just use their corporate weight and networking to curtail access to YouTube and Twitter for those people.

I never said those were the only options. You implied that tynion wasn't doing anything meaningful and what waid was implying he would do was how to go about it so that's your fault.

Twitter did get d&c's name and the reason waid was able to post it was because other creators had found it and have been circulating it to publicly shame him in his personal and professional life but i guess since you don't know what you're talking about and just want to prove a point that wouldn't matter to you

And alonso has been taken to task for literal years for Marvel's lack of diversity representation, lack of cover for when their meager bench of non cis white men get harassed, and poo poo like the time the sales rep said people not wanting diverse books are responsible for their sales dropping, but yeah you go get em tiger

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TenCentFang posted:

Axel Alonso is a brick wall about these things, if not outright closer than the other side than anything. I can't wait till he's gone.

Same with his buddy in cahoots tom brevoort

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Aphrodite posted:

Brevoort actually did share Waid's post.

He also rt'd every single post by Spencer about how important secret empire was but actually fascism should be discussed rationally and Nazis shouldn't get punched and critics are all whiney assholes for not liking the book, and defended waid when he included a non consensual sexism encounter between vision and Wanda in avengers, and all lovely stuff waid put in champions like having Amadeus say gee as an Asian American internment camps actually aren't all that bad

And there was that moment when he was all about make mine milkshake but then when his trans creators got a mass harassment campaign waged against them by the same people two days later he didn't have poo poo to say (nor did the cis white women editors who were the impetus for #mmm either for that matter)

So forgive me if I am unwilling to give him the benefit of the doubt

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I'm sure if you gave Richard Spencer a copy of secret empire he would love it

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Endless Mike posted:

Time for me to leave SA, owned by known Nazi, Richard "Lowtax" Kyanka

You're being funny but his wife made an infamous post saying it's cool to debate things like why those blacks are actually bad, got caught posting on a forum whose entire purpose is to doxx people, the majority of which are trans, and had a meltdown when a black woman was made a mod, so...

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TenCentFang posted:

Like, just because she was black? What?

Yeah the long and short of it was Nazism was reaching peak levels last fall in d&d. There was a thread made by poc in qcs asking for more enforcement and that's when lowtaxs wife made the bad thread saying debating how black people are inferior is okay as long as they're polite. People got super mad, a lot of mods quit over it.

So admin FactsAreUseless appointed koalasmarch mod of d&d to calm things down but lowtax had a meltdown over it calling it appeasing the sjw cucks and demodded her from d&d, then created a subforum specifically for poc to post in cuz he doesn't want them infecting d&d proper or whatever, and made her mod of that

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TenCentFang posted:

gently caress, man. What the gently caress?

Welcome to somethingawful where at least half the userbase hates your existence and they're protected by management

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Zoro posted:

For those curious on the Mark Waid thing, it sounds like Mark and D&C talked "like gentlemen and everything is calmed down now."

So, if you were expecting something to come from this, nope.

Source: https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/09/21/mark-waid-diversity-comics-baltimore/

I am shocked

shocked

that waid would give him a pass so quickly

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Zoro posted:

That is one SERIOUS case of Female Comic Pose.

Also, am I creepy for noticing that the seem on those pants make a gross optical illusion over the back of her crotch, if you get what I'm implying. Like, I only bring it up because I'm pretty sure it's intentional and pretty gross.

It's intentional

But tbh boundless is literally an imprint for porn comics so not entirely unexpected either

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Archyduke posted:

Efficacy aside, I'm part of a whole bunch of demographics that are routinely targeted by alt-right and nazi dweebs, so seeing high-profile creators come out in my tacit defense is much more heartening to see than just thumb-twiddling. Nazis already have enough exposure-- the net good of artists telling them to buzz off outweighs, I think, is worth the hypothetical risk of giving them more of a platform. Nobody's going to be like, "an ALT-right? Gee, I never would have heard of this if James Tynion hadn't told them off online," whereas knowing that people you admire and respect have your back makes life more livable in tangible, immediate ways.



This is also sadly true, and I've seen it so many times in academic and artistic communities, where people will hand-wave the bad actions of racists, transphobes, even out and out actual rapists and sexual abusers just because they're "fun to hang out with" or professionally useful to be on the good side of, or just because it's easier to avoid direct conflict than barrel right into it.

Yes. Handwaving away harassment because presumably you look like the harassers and thus have never been on the opposite side and shutting down conversation about your peers/bosses who engage in such behavior just makes you complicit

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Apr 6, 2007

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What does a universe's worth of time mean

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Teenage Fansub posted:

The guy who made that Marvel Twine essay earlier in the year has a new one that's literally novel length.
https://twitter.com/spacetwinks/status/911763910985842688

There's no way I'm bothering reading that, but I'll be really interested to hear from anyone who does.
As much as there might be to talk about Remender's Uncanny Avengers and Spencer's Captain America, I can't imagine "a huge chunk" of 75,000 words isn't insane overkill, but please find out and report back in a week.

Cool

Colin could use an editor but I've enjoyed his essays

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Apr 6, 2007

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Let's split the difference

Spider-Man and the X-Men

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Apr 6, 2007

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Hate monger was in a punisher book... I wanna say right before the world war hulk era?? and i think it was some guy who took on the mantle and was ruining a new kkk ish villain outfit, they could probably do that again if they wanted to

But just lol at thinking they'd want to

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Apr 6, 2007

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I bet 100% of that tremendous amount of interest comes from stormfront and /pol

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Apr 6, 2007

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https://twitter.com/KingImpulse/status/914144470941290496

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Apr 6, 2007

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Why assume that there's a large portion of people who follow a dirty sjw who rips on Nazi comic book people that are also just dying to buy a Nazi produced comic if only they are shown it's available

E: clarity?

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I agree with you but why didn't you add an anecdote?!?! Omggggg

doesn't add an anecdote either

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