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Potato Salad posted:I was really betting on the excuse "My media intern messed up, please, he is young, don't harangue him too much." That's at least remotely believable. This whole "I googled 'porn' for my wife and this is definitely one of the first results" is bull if you think of it even a little. That's a parody response tweet
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botany posted:fifth time's the charm i guess Wtf why did it take five
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i mean if they're not utterly unreachable then talk to them about what jefferson did and the message that celebrating him sends to black people. either you'll get them thinking about it seriously and they'll come round or they were unreachable anyway I suspect that in another twenty years, the general popular consensus will be similar to how he's presented in Hamilton, i.e., "Charming and likeable villain".
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Sep 13, 2017 13:08
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Eletriarnation posted:Another thing she said is that Bernie isn't a Democrat. I mean, you can argue about whether that's true, or relevant, or whatever, but it's what she thinks and important to understanding how she acted towards him. To the extent that understanding her reactions remains important, sure. It was probably worthwhile for her to write a book like this, in the same sense that it was worthwhile for the Republicans to have done a post-mortem after Obama. But she shouldn't have written it -- the Democratic party should have commissioned it independently. The very fact that she lost is going to cloud her vision in analyzing the problem of why she lost, plus the fact that she lost demonstrates she had problems discerning why she was losing and what to do about it. Said another way, if she's so smart, why isn't she President? She was always a deeply flawed candidate and one of her many flaws was her inability to realize that she was a flawed candidate, that her political instincts were both insufficient and outdated, and that the party would have stood a greater chance of furthering progressive policy if she had not run and had instead allowed an open field of challengers to develop. Ok, she didn't get that then, neither did most other Democrats, ok, water under the bridge. But she should realize it now. There is a reason failed candidates -- Gore, Carter etc. -- usually take a year or three out of public life before coming back, and even then take on specific, limited policy goals (global warming, habitat for humanity). She needs to clear the field. Doing a book tour and talk show circuit now is just re-litigating old battles and opening old wounds. It's not helping build the party, it's not helping build the progressive movement, it's not furthering progressive policy. Instead it's putting herself front and center again when she needs to be stepping back so that other candidates can step forward. Every talk show appearance she makes is taking visibility away from Harris, Warren, Bernie, Franken, Patrick, etc. Main Paineframe posted:What about the ongoing decline of the Democratic Party? Since 2009, Congressional Dems have taken heavy losses in midterm elections and only slight gains in presidential election years. The Democratic waves of 2006 and 2008 - spurred largely Bush's unpopularity and Obama's charisma were the first time they'd controlled both houses of Congress since 1994. The context of the presidential election goes well beyond just Hillary Clinton - it's just another milestone in the slow decline of the Democratic Party under the stewardship of the centrist movement that moved into party leadership in the late 80s and early 90s. This too. It's really telling that Hillary's loyalties are to the Democratic Party, not the progressive movement. The Democratic Party is one of the most toxic major brands in the country right now. It's an institution in desperate need of reform, not one that deserves loyalty on its own merits. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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Dead Reckoning posted:
Well, unless you're a cop, in which case there's an exception. Personally though I've basically given up on the gun issue. Sandy Hook demonstrated It's not fixable directly, and it just loses Democrats votes that are needed to fix more urgent issues (health care, etc), and fixing those other issues (mental health care access, etc.) would in turn ameliorate a lot of the drivers of gun crime and gun deaths.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:jimmy carter was a terrible president Terrible for a Democrat is still better than any Republican in living memory
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GreyjoyBastard posted:There are people alive who remember Eisenhower. I'm assuming none of those people still have functional memories.
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Sep 15, 2017 17:36
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Spun Dog posted:From the decision: Ok yeah not reading anything else from the opinion, that's a racist as hell judge Literally "based on no actual evidence, gonna assume it was reasonable to assume a black kid was armed" He even says "urban" right out The judiciary is in no way ready to even comprehend how racist many judges are.
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Sep 15, 2017 18:16
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axeil posted:
That would help but a larger issue is that a lot of people -- many of whom wear judicial robes and / or sit on juries -- are hella racist. Look at the Walter Scott shooting in South Carolina. Mistrial. Caught on video shooting unarmed fleeing suspect in the back and then planting a weapon, arrested, charged with first degree murder, prosecuted, went to trial, mistrial. The system worked right up until it hit a juror who thought a cop shooting an innocent black dude was a great idea. Our judicial system presumes good faith actors at every level, and that's a myth.
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Sep 15, 2017 18:23
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Right so, what do we do to make that less garbage? What could have fixed, say, the Walter Scott shooting in specific? (In that specific case I'm sort of leaning somewhere between "I dunno, an external review board for an extra fuckup-catching net, with ability to... fine the poo poo out of police officers?" and "absolutely nothing would have worked, everything is hosed") Well, they are scheduling a retrial. We also need about fifty more years of public art deconstructing the myth of the Noble Cop. Another thing South Carolina has that other states don't, is SLED, a state level law enforcement body, investigates all officer involved shootings independently. So it got to trial the stars aligned, there was video, and there was an independent investigation. Those steps worked and give us a model for the first two thirds of the issue. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Sep 15, 2017 |
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Sep 15, 2017 18:31
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Lightning Knight posted:The problem with this is that it puts the onus on individual officers without dealing with the ineffectual and corrupt bureaucracy that supposedly oversees them. Yeah. The problem is layered but the good proposals I've seen are: 1) independent investigations and prosecutions. Officer involved shootings need to be investigated by someone independent from the officers' chain of command, and prosecuted by prosecutors their department does not work with. 2) common standards. Officers accused of crimes need to be treated the same way and according to the same standards as other citizens. No special rights or delays in the investigative process, no special standards at trial. 3) clear records must be kept. Body cams, car cams, etc. 4) better training and training reform. The cops who shot that guy in the walmart because he had a toy gun had been to a training on responding to mass shootings two days prior, and if you look at the materials it was basically SCARY BROWNS MURDER COPS, the continuing education seminar. This is a common theme; there are a lot of "experts" who make their living training cops to shoot first and then justifying that training by testifying as experts at cop trials. That type of training needs to be discredited and discontinued, and replaced with things like CIT training and ride along social workers etc. As mentioned above. That still leaves the general problem of racism but that's a broader reform.
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Sep 15, 2017 19:30
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Koalas March posted:This is the dumbest poo poo. Not only is it loving cruel to the homeless but abandoned houses are just gonna keep getting worse and depreciate. It's better to have someone living there and taking care of the place which I'm sure they'd be able to do especially if they had access to proper resources and mental health care. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.5a096ed10173
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Sep 15, 2017 19:40
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Dead Reckoning posted:The post I originally quoted and was responding to was this: As technology advances hopefully we'll soon reach the point where it's feasible for them to just never be turned off, and livestream to an offsite third party.
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Sep 15, 2017 23:21
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Dead Reckoning posted:
I think the argument is more for an even common standard to which all defendants are held, whether or not they wear a badge. On top of the wider discretion cops are allowed at trial -- functionally, juries are applying a subjective fear test, not an objectively reasonable test (or alternatively are just deciding that it's objectively reasonable to be so afraid of black people you shoot them), there are also a lot of procedural protections that cops get that ordinary citizens usually don't. See, e.g., quote:
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-police-unions/ quote:State laws give wide latitude to police when it comes to use of force – in Louisiana, where Brown died, the legislature recently passed a "bill of rights" for suspect cops, including protections most criminal defendants don't get – and local prosecutors can be reluctant to charge members of a department they work with closely on a daily basis. https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-07-13/why-arent-police-held-accountable-for-shooting-black-men https://signal108.com/2012/02/29/louisiana-police-officers-bill-of-rights-primer/ Cops need to be put, as much as possible, on an even playing field when charged with crimes. If anything, they should be held to a higher standard, but I get your constitutional arguments, so let's just hold them to the same standards everyone else is. Remove their special legal protections, and ensure that all officer-involved crimes are investigated by outside prosecutors and moved to different venues so as to avoid conflicts of interest.
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RaySmuckles posted:goodness, isn't that the dream I'm hearing the people sing here
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khy posted:I hear that if you give a home to a homeless person then they're not homeless anymore That is literally the current scientific best practice Turns out they've done studies on it and the best way to keep people from being homeless is to give them homes All the other services they may need are a lot easier to arrange if there's a fixed address.
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Sep 15, 2017 23:58
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Dead Reckoning posted:Unfortunately, the drastically reduced number of homeless in Utah's count has more to do with changing the way homeless are counted than anything else. Don't get me wrong, we should be looking for a way to hook the homeless up with permanency and a stake in the community where possible, but most of the chronically homeless have a whole spectrum of issues that a fixed address won't resolve. I'm kinda suspicious of an analysis by the American Enterprise Institute on this question. It sounds like quote:
Could mean that "those people in long term shelters were moved to long term shelters that were in fact their homes, and thus no longer counted as chronically homeless." I'd like to see a counterpoint article that isn't just this one AEI guy making claims.
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Great Metal Jesus posted:If Utah's transitional housing programs are anything like the ones I was involved in calling them "long term homeless shelters" is something only a disingenuous moron would do. quote:On March 25, 2010, AEI resident fellow David Frum announced that his position at the organization had been "terminated."[162][163] Following this announcement, media outlets speculated that Frum had been "forced out"[164][165][166] for writing an editorial called "Waterloo", in which he criticized the Republican Party's unwillingness to bargain with Democrats on the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. In the editorial, Frum claimed that his party's failure to reach a deal "led us to abject and irreversible defeat."[167] quote:The Irving Kristol Award is the highest honor conferred by the American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research.
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Synthbuttrange posted:neverending hurricane season All our other wars are neverending, might as well go full Canute
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Vahakyla posted:
Look we can't just not have a drug war How else are we supposed to imprison all the poor and/or brown people?
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SulphagneSocialist posted:One thing that's always struck me is that US police officers seem to patrol a lot on their own. Finnish police officers, at least, always patrol in pairs. I wonder if that also encourages a very overwhelming, quick-trigger response. Serious answer: The cops are all trained in hair trigger response. https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/police-gun-shooting-training-ferguson/383681/ quote:Officers aren’t just told about the risks they face. They are shown painfully vivid, heart-wrenching dash-cam footage of officers being beaten, disarmed, or gunned down after a moment of inattention or hesitation. They are told that the primary culprit isn’t the felon on the video, it is the officer’s lack of vigilance. And as they listen to the fallen officer’s last, desperate radio calls for help, every cop in the room is thinking exactly the same thing: “I won’t ever let that happen to me.” That’s the point of the training. Instead of de-escalation or CIT training, American cops are trained to respond with violence pre-emptively.
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Vahakyla posted:Give me a reason why a cop patrolling in Charleston can be alone but a cop in similar sized Insert EU town can't. No see, the demographics are all different in Europe literally every time I've heard this argument made in real life, the next sentence was about how they don't have black people there anyway real answer: https://www.quora.com/Why-do-most-law-enforcement-officers-in-the-United-States-work-alone It seems to be mostly a budget thing.
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Quorum posted:You are technically correct, and I award ten points to House Goon. British Parliament and Icelandic parliaments arguably not continuous in the same sense, since they changed for a of government in various ways over time. Real answer is the Icelandic allthing though yeah.
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/909776281847386112 I have sent my senator multiple calls and emails and faxes Unfortunately my senator is Graham
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WampaLord posted:E: NM http://www.whosestreets.com/
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Javes posted:https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/910137266009407488 Republican congressmen?
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Y'all need to read Teddy Roosevelt on the subject of getting into arenas Note: Teddy helped found the progressive movement
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Koalas March posted:Yeah, I am a big proponent for higher teacher salaries. Especially in low-income schools where they often take on even more responsibilities. No one is prepared to wrap their heads around how.much more we should be paying teachers. Law school and a graduate teaching degree take equivalent time, investment, and intelligence . . . And teachers are.more useful to society. There are a lot of local level issues like this that I think Democrats could make headway on. Replacing the local taxation model for school funding and ensuring parity. Roads and infrastructure repair. Cheap local solar power. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Sep 22, 2017 |
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Jaxyon posted:Also "give me specific examples so I can understand because I can't see it myself" to a PoC is a great example of this. We're all part of the problem though? I mean this is gonna sound trite and white as hell but we're all flawed and everyone is gonna say something stupid and offensive sometimes. Coming down hard on people who are.acring I good faith but meaning well seems counterproductive. As I understand "sea lioning" it is a matter of repeated stupidity, not first time fumbles.
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RZA Encryption posted:So I always thought "no war but class war" meant "I oppose all war except war on the rich". Lol. It used to back in like the sixties? But these days it seems to be construed as equivalent to "all lives matter", because, like, the police are.shooting black protestors with chemical weapons, so .. .yeah that's a war
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boner confessor posted:highlighting that the only struggle that matters is the class struggle is an argument borne from white guys who only talked to other white guys in majority white nations during a period of white global dominance so it's a bit of a skewed perspective to put it mildly Right, but I suspect that's a relatively recent shift in perspective. Fifty years ago nwbcw was a militant socialist slogan and an anti-vietnam-war slogan primarily. I would be very surprised if "no war but class war" was never chanted by the original Black Panther Party, for example. There has always been a lot of overlap between black civil rights movements and Socialist movements because there is a lot of overlap in goals. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Sep 22, 2017 |
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Koalas March posted:I feel weird and uncomfortable when people act like the left has a problem with addressing racism too fiercely. Especially in a conversation where PoC are saying racism is not addressed enough. That's a false assumption. I think that is rooted in white fragility. You (the general 'you') perceive a small amount of racial stress and lash out and get defensive when it's not necessary. The only part of this post I'd disagree with is the idea that it's a deliberate silencing tactic. It certainly can be a tactic, but often what seems to happen here is Step one: ignorant white dude (IGD) says something well-intentioned but that can be legitimately seen as tone deaf on racial issues ("let's bring back New Deal style housing programs!") Step two: more aware PoC calls out the tone deafness: ("WTF, new deal style housing programs were hella racist") Step three: IGD thinks he's being attacked out of left field (because he's tone deaf and didn't realize what the implication of his first post was and still doesn't) and gets defensive Importantly, as that situation escalates, to third party observers (who are also probably tone deaf), it can look like the PoC is the person escalating and causing the drama, because the IGD is being superficially calm. This sort of mechanic is part of why "angry black man" is a stereotype (and probably part of why "hysterical" is a gendered insult aimed at women, too). Oppressed people are more sensitive (they have to be) and as a result pick up on poo poo the dominant class is simply unaware of, so even to well-intentioned third parties, their anger sometimes seems inexplicable or random. So yeah, upshot, it's really important to actually listen to people of color and women and other oppressed groups when they're speaking about their experience, because they understand their own experience better than you do if you aren't them. The flip side of that though is that us white people often really are clueless and ignorant to a degree that I think can seem bizarre to people of color. How can white people possibly be that ignorant? They had to have meant that poo poo! They knew what they were saying! No we didn't, we're honestly that deaf to ourselves. (A secondary debate then, of course, is whether or not the intent of a given dominant-class person matters, if their speech or their actions have harmful results.) Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Sep 22, 2017 |
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I'm so loving on edge from this health care poo poo that at first I thought this was him saying he was voting for it after all christ
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Majorian posted:No, but still, this is a very good sign. Yeah this is good news but technically Collins seems to be saying "leaning no" and Murkowski is still waffling. So, good news for now, but. . ugh. I mean hell we're going to be right back in t his mess next year.
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Majorian posted:Are you asking genuinely? Because I don't think centrists have really, publicly tackled poo poo like the Clinton's racist policies in the 90's, or Hillary's extremely dogwhistle-y primary campaign in '08. They don't have to. "Centrism" is, definitionally, ideology-free, so centrists aren't concerned about attacks on their ideological purity in the same way that leftists are. Of course we make horrible compromises and do horrible poo poo to win! Listen, that's how the game is played! Once you've said "all I care about is the least-bad practical option," then a bad policy is just a price to be paid (hopefully by someone else).
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/911398115806023680 Oh god oh god oh god It's Duckworh . .. and she can't take a strong stand . . . Ahhh I am a bad person
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Zanzibar Ham posted:"gj being scum of the earth" I never claimed I was a good person. I admit I don't have a leg to stand on.
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All y'all post whiners should be counting your manhoods cheap vs these high rollers http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/352287-protests-delay-gop-obamacare-repeal-hearing that's how you protest folks but please argue more on the internet, you're good, the wheelchair folks got this
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Trabisnikof posted:(That's not an infographic from the DNC/Unity Com. but aimed at the Unity Com.) Aimed by whom? I have to wonder if there aren't malicious groups deliberately trying to sow discord between Sanders and the establishment left, because Sanders leading the establishment left is a nightmare scenario for a lot of power blocs.
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steinrokkan posted:They won't listen to it, but the idea there are people making and spreading these petty messages is funny as hell. Trojan horse for what exactly? Oh no the progressives will seize control of the party oh no
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