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treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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https://twitter.com/LailaLalami/status/908001713226899456

Phoenix New Times posted:

On a hot Wednesday in June, Manuel Rodriguez-Juarez, a 33-year-old landscaper, got into an argument with his live-in girlfriend. While he waited for her to cool down, he decided to check into a $45-a-night room at a nearby Motel 6 on Maryvale’s southern fringe.

The front-desk clerk told him that he needed to show identification in order to reserve a room. Rodriguez-Juarez handed over the only thing he had — a Mexican voter ID card.

Six hours later, he was lying on the bed, watching TV, when he heard a knock at the door. He opened it. Three agents from Immigrations and Customs Enforcement were waiting for him. When asked, Rodriguez-Juarez admitted that he wasn’t authorized to be in the United States. He’s currently being held at the immigration detention center in Florence while his lawyer, Juan Rocha, tries to get him asylum.

While the case is pending, Rocha is trying to figure out something that’s been bothering him: Did someone at Motel 6 tip off ICE? There's certainly reason to think so.

A Phoenix New Times review of court records found that between February and August, ICE agents made at least 20 arrests at Motel 6s, showing up roughly every two weeks. (Since many of the documents we reviewed contained only vague details about where ICE encountered an individual, the actual number is likely even higher.) All took place at one of two Motel 6 locations: 4130 North Black Canyon Highway or 1530 North 52nd Drive. Both are in predominantly Latino neighborhoods.

The statement of probable cause for Rodriguez-Juarez's case filed with the U.S. District Court is vague, noting briefly that ICE officers were “following a lead.” And Department of Homeland Security records state only that ICE’s Phoenix Mobile Criminal Alien Team Unit had “received information that Rodriguez-Juarez was checked into room #214.”

“I’m thinking to myself, how would they know that?” Rocha said. “The client said he gave them a Mexican ID card — but there’s people who visit the U.S. all the time who have Mexican IDs. How does that establish that you’re here without authorization?”

Unofficially, though, employees at both locations said it was standard practice to share guest information with ICE. “We send a report every morning to ICE — all the names of everybody that comes in,” one front-desk clerk explained. “Every morning at about 5 o’clock, we do the audit and we push a button and it sends it to ICE.”

Yasmeen Pitts O’Keefe, a spokesperson for ICE’s Phoenix division, declined to comment on whether the agency is in the habit of reviewing hotel guest lists, or investigating tips sent in by Motel 6 employees. “I wouldn’t be able to confirm how we are getting our information. Those are investigative techniques that we wouldn’t be able to talk about,” she said. “If hypothetically we were somewhere — if we did administratively arrest some folks — that happens all the time. We conduct targeted enforcement operations every day.”

Naturally, rumors run rampant. Denise Aguilar, a Chandler-based immigration attorney, said that one of her clients is currently being held in ICE custody alongside several others who were detained at the same Motel 6. “They have heard (no telling how valid the info is) that ICE is paying $200 per person for the front-desk clerk to report,” she wrote in an email.

treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Sep 13, 2017

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Jul 25, 2011

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https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/908033333564645376

Washington Post posted:

The Justice Department should consider prosecuting former FBI director James B. Comey for actions that “were improper and likely could have been illegal,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Tuesday.

“I think if there's ever a moment where we feel someone's broken the law, particularly if they're the head of the FBI, I think that's something that certainly should be looked at,” Sanders said.

She said that recommending such a prosecution is “not the president's role,” and that the White House is not encouraging it. “That's the job of the Department of Justice, and something they should certainly look at,” Sanders said.

Asked to clarify, Sanders said this: “Anybody that breaks the law, whatever that process is that needs to be followed, should certainly be looked at. If they determine that that's the course of action to take, then they should certainly do that, but I'm not here to ever direct DOJ in — in the actions that they should take.”

Nonetheless, Sanders ticked through a list of actions or alleged actions by Comey that she said justified his firing by Trump, in May, and some of which, she said, may be illegal. “I think there's no secret. Comey, by his own self-admission, leaked privileged government information weeks before President Trump fired him. Comey testified that if an FBI agent engaged in the same practice, they'd face serious repercussions,” Sanders continued. “I think he set his own stage for himself on that front. His actions were improper, and likely could have been illegal.”

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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Y'all do have an appropriate thread to endlessly brag about how much you hate her and the Democratic leadership.

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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https://twitter.com/vaughnastudillo/status/908029721098674176

e: Suspect reportedly in custody.

treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Sep 13, 2017

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/908057513588695040
:911: :sigh:

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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Trabisnikof posted:

That's why we need to wait 14 days after any mass shooting before discussing the American Gun Culture is allowed.
Avoiding such a discussion, in the national sense, makes me so frustrated. I really hope passing real and effective gun control legislation becomes another priority after healthcare.

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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Dead Reckoning posted:

What would that even look like to you? Because nothing being put forward by Democratic leadership is going to reduce the homicide rate. For example, the enactment and subsequent sunset of the 1994 assault weapons ban had no measurable impact on the national homicide rate.

Gun control is a failed policy, because there are a hundred things more strongly correlated with the homicide rate than legal access to guns, but no one on the left is willing to abandon it because they're emotionally invested, and also because they really hate the most prominent pro gun control advocates. (Not without some justification, TBH.)

Sounds violent.

I feel like we should have a large nationwide phase towards a New York City style registration, purchase permit and licensing system, along with a generous gun buyback program. I feel this is a position just as important as many of the other "litmus test" issues that are backed.


P much this:

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Agreed, these patchwork laws from new york to texas need to be federally standardized.

Getting a License in New York City posted:

Along with the license application itself, you will need the following:
    Fees – 2 US Postal Money Orders, made payable to New York City Police Department are required, one for $340 (for the application), and one for either $94.25 (electronic fingerprints) or $105.25 (ink fingerprints), depending on how you are being fingerprinted. These fees are non-refundable. The NYPD now accepts credit cards as well.
    Photographs – 2 recent “passport” (1.5″ square) color photos.
    Birth Certificate – required to prove your birth date. Other acceptable forms proving your birth date include: military record, US Passport or Baptismal certificate.
    Proof of Citizenship/Alien Registration – if you were not born in the US, you must submit your naturalization papers, or other evidence of citizenship, or your Alien Registration Card. AND for those living here less than 7 years, you must submit a good conduct certificate from your country of origin.
    Military Discharge – your separation papers (DD 214) and your discharge papers if applicable.
    Proof of Residence – this can be: a real estate tax bill, ownership shares in a co-op or condo, or a lease. You may also be asked to bring your driver’s license, NY State Income Tax return, or a utility bill.
    Arrest/Summons/Order of Protection Information – related to question 23 on the application, any arrest information (even if the case was dismissed or the record sealed) must be divulged. Any summons received for any violation other than things like a parking ticket must be divulged, i.e any “summons in lieu of arrest” that requires you to appear in court at a later date. If you ever had an Order of
    Protection or a Restraining Order issued against you, you must divulge the name/address/phone number of the complainant, their relationship to you, and the reason the Order was issued.
    Proof of Business Ownership (for business licenses) – see the details in the application for the appropriate documentation, depending on your circumstances.
    Letter of Necessity (for carry permits) – you won’t get a carry permit without showing cause, and if you have cause, you should probably already know what is required.

Please note, BRING ORIGINALS, not copies of supporting documents. Also note, your application and any addendum MUST BE NOTARIZED. Included with the application is a request for the following letters. These letters must also be notarized.
    Request for Pre-Exemption – this isn’t needed by most, if you require it, you should know why beforehand.
    Affidavit of Familiarity with Rules and Law – states you are familiar with NYC Title 38 Chapter 5 (licensee responsibilities), NYS Article 35 (deadly force), NYS Article 265 (criminal possession of firearms), NYS Article 400 (licensee responsibilities), rules regarding Safety Locking Devices (trigger locks), NYC Charter 18-C (public safety zones – included w/ application), US Title 18 (persons prohibited from possessing firearms – included w/ application), and the NYPD pamphlet on terrorism and suspicious activity. See the “Legislation” links to the right for more info.
    Affidavit of Cohabitant – if you live with anyone over 18, they must complete this affidavit, if you don’t live with anyone, you need to complete an affidavit stating that you live alone.
    Safe Guardian Affidavit – this designates a person who is responsible for your firearms in the event of your disability or death. They do not need to have a firearm permit.

Typically, you can wait anywhere from 1 – 3 months for a letter identifying the officer assigned to handle your application. They will ask you to schedule your interview along with his request for any further documentation. Many people are asked to supply:
    3 reference letters from people that have known you for at least 2 years. The letter should state that you are “of good moral character.” The more detailed and personal it is, the better.
    An Affidavit with familiarity of Article 35, Article 265 and Article 400;
    An Affidavit of Proof of Employment
    A current utility bill. If the utility bill is not in your name, you must supply another Affidavit from the person whose name appears on the bill.
    Current bank statements and 1040 Income Tax return along with photos of your home (if self employed),
    Their Social Security Card,
    Their marriage license, and
    Their DMV abstract.

Call the officer during the hours stated on the letter and schedule the interview.

After waiting another 1 – 3 months, you may get your approval letter. You now have 30 days to pick up your Purchase Authorization. If you are denied, you must file an appeal under Article 78. You have 4 months from the date of the denial to appeal.

To Pick up the license & purchase authorization, go to the designated police station, with the original letter, Monday – Thursday between the hours of 9:00am – 12 noon. You will be photographed, and given your license along with one Purchase Authorization.

You now have 30 days to purchase a handgun from an authorized FFL. You are now legal to rent/shoot guns in NYC.

The key thing to remember is that whenever you are storing or traveling with a firearm, it must be unloaded in a locked container or safe, with a trigger lock, ammunition kept separately.

Buying and Registering a Gun in New York City posted:

You can purchase a firearm from any FFL. If you buy a new gun, IT MUST BE NY COMPLIANT. New guns must be shipped with spent casings fired from the manufacturer, contained in a sealed envelope. Used guns should be marked by the shipper as such. Make sure you fill out the BATFE form, get a receipt and have the FFL fill out the Purchase Authorization form.

Every 90 days you can buy ONE handgun, pistol or revolver in the City of New York. You will need to fill out the Purchase Authorization Request Form and mail it to NYPD so that they can provide you with a “Purchase Authorization” that you can use to take possession of a new handgun at the time of purchase.

Once you pick up the PA, you have another 30 days to purchase the actual firearm. Once purchased (even if it is on the date the PA expires) you have 72 hours (not calendar days, not business days, 72 hours – which might include weekends and holidays) to bring the firearm, locked, unloaded, down to 1PP to have it inspected.

Inspections are done any business day (M-F, excluding holidays) from 12pm – 2pm.

Bring the receipt (2 copies – you keep the original they get the other), Purchase Authorization, and your firearm (unloaded, trigger locked, no mag in gun, no ammo on your person, in a locked case) to the designated police station, Monday – Thursday between the hours of 12 noon – 3pm. Let the checkpoint know you are carrying a firearm (and let them know it’s properly secured). Then go for your gun inspection. Your gun will be inspected. The make, model, caliber and serial # will be recorded.

treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Sep 14, 2017

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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Dead Reckoning posted:

Why? Seriously, why do you think this is important? Despite their ludicrous licensing scheme, NYC still has a higher homicide rate (3.9/100k in 2014 per FBI UCR) than nearby Vermont (1.6/100k) where you can buy a handgun and concealed carry it the same day without any sort of permit. Strict local regulations haven't stopped San Francisco (5.3/100k) and Chicago (15.2/100k) from having higher homicide rates than the national average (4.5/100k). Meanwhile, in most of the northern Great Plains states and rural New England, gun laws are lax and homicides are low. There isn't any correlation between restricting legal access to guns and low homicide rates, either geographically or over time, so why do you think they are important?
Are you just against such drastic NYC style licensing, or is even pushing for strict firearm registration a step too far in your mind? Even ignoring any possible links to the homicide rate. I can't see the downside you do to having a robust registration system phased in over time.

It's an important issue to me because there are strong correlations, both with legal access per state and firearm ownership over time. This really is something we should be pushing for just as much as other 'litmus test' issues such as marijuana legalization and prison reform.

The Relationship Between Gun Ownership and Firearm Homicide Rates in the United States, 1981–2010 posted:

We examined the relationship between levels of household firearm ownership, as measured directly and by a proxy—the percentage of suicides committed with a firearm—and age-adjusted firearm homicide rates at the state level.

Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates (incidence rate ratio = 1.009; 95% confidence interval = 1.004, 1.014). This model indicated that for each percentage point increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9%.

We observed a robust correlation between higher levels of gun ownership and higher firearm homicide rates. Although we could not determine causation, we found that states with higher rates of gun ownership had disproportionately large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides.

In the final model, rerun with standardized predictor variables to ease interpretation of results, the IRR for the gun ownership proxy was 1.129 (95% CI = 1.061, 1.201), indicating that for each 1-SD increase in the gun ownership proxy, the firearm homicide rate increased by 12.9%
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Over the 30-year study period, the mean estimated percentage of gun ownership (measured by the FS/S proxy) ranged from a low of 25.8% in Hawaii to a high of 76.8% in Mississippi, with an average over all states of 57.7%. Among the 50 states, the average percentage of gun ownership decreased from 60.6% in 1981 to 51.7% in 2010. By decade, this percentage declined from 60.6% in 1981 to 1990 to 59.6% in 1991 to 2000 to 52.8% in 2001 to 2010.

Over the study period, the mean age-adjusted firearm homicide rate ranged from a low of 0.9 per 100,000 population in New Hampshire to a high of 10.8 per 100,000 in Louisiana, with an average over all states of 4.0 per 100,000. Among the 50 states, the average firearm homicide rate decreased from 5.2 per 100,000 in 1981 to 3.5 per 100,000 in 2010. By decade, this rate was 4.2 per 100,000 in 1981 to 1990, 4.3 per 100,000 in 1991 to 2000, and 3.4 per 100,000 in 2001 to 2010.

In a bivariate analysis (a GEE negative binomial model with year fixed effects and accounting for clustering by state, but without any other predictor variables besides gun ownership), the gun ownership proxy was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates (incidence rate ratio [IRR] = 1.011; 95% confidence interval [CI] = 1.005, 1.018).

After we controlled for all the measured potential confounding variables, rather than just those found significant in the final model, the gun ownership proxy was still a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates (IRR = 1.008; 95% CI = 1.004, 1.012;). This result did not change after we excluded the 6 states with missing data for homicide rates in 1 or more years. When we restricted the analysis to 2001, 2002, and 2004 (years for which the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System directly measured household gun ownership in all 50 states), the magnitude of the IRR estimated with the proxy measure (FS/S) was similar to that estimated with the survey measure of state-specific household gun ownership, but it was not statistically significant.


To the best of our knowledge, ours is the most up-to-date and comprehensive analysis of the relationship between firearm ownership and gun-related homicide rates among the 50 states. Our study encompassed a 30-year period, with data through 2010, and accounted for 18 possible confounders of the relationship between gun ownership and firearm homicide. We found a robust relationship between higher levels of gun ownership and higher firearm homicide rates that was not explained by any of these potential confounders and was not sensitive to model specification. Our work expanded on previous studies not only by analyzing more recent data, but also by adjusting for clustering by year and state and controlling for factors, such as the rate of nonfirearm homicides, that likely capture unspecified variables that may be associated with both gun ownership levels and firearm homicide rates.

The correlation of gun ownership with firearm homicide rates was substantial. Results from our model showed that a 1-SD difference in the gun ownership proxy measure, FS/S, was associated with a 12.9% difference in firearm homicide rates. All other factors being equal, our model would predict that if the FS/S in Mississippi were 57.7% (the average for all states) instead of 76.8% (the highest of all states), its firearm homicide rate would be 17% lower. Because of our use of a proxy measure for gun ownership, we could not conclude that the magnitude of the association between actual household gun ownership rates and homicide rates was the same. However, in a model that incorporated only survey-derived measures of household gun ownership (for 2001, 2002, and 2004), we found that each 1-SD difference in gun ownership was associated with a 24.9% difference in firearm homicide rates.

Our results were consistent with, but generally lower than, previous estimates of the effect of gun ownership on homicide rates. We were able to replicate Miller et al.’s study by restricting our analysis to 1988 to 1997 and controlling for the same variables as they did.

A reverse causal association was also possible. For example, increases in firearm homicide rates could have led to efforts by state residents to acquire guns, thus increasing gun ownership levels.9,25,29,32,34–36,41,79,80 We addressed this question with a lagged variable and found that gun ownership, lagged by either 1 or 2 years, was still a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates. This is consistent with, but does not prove, the hypothesis that changes in gun ownership rates affect subsequent firearm homicide rates. It is not possible in a panel study such as ours to determine causality. Furthermore, although this was a panel study, the variation occurred mainly in the cross section, because the differences in firearm homicide across states were greater than the changes over time.

Variables and sources in study:

treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Sep 14, 2017

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Jul 25, 2011

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WampaLord posted:

This essentially sums up my views on it as well. We can't put the gun toothpaste back in the tube at this point, let's just focus on poo poo like making sure we don't destroy the earth and that people have a right to healthcare and poo poo like that.

dwarf74 posted:

Gun control is one thing that rural people seem to care about more than anything else.
I'm sorry if I suggested ignoring such topics as healthcare and climate change. I feel gun control, while not as important as healthcare, is definitely alongside other important issues candidates should be backing. Being told we shouldn't even bother calling for change, simply because there are other problems in our country, makes me frustrated because it's avoidance for avoidance's sake.

With such rural Americans I can only imagine there is a lot of overlap between anti-Obamacare voters, anti-abortion voters, anti-immigration voters and gun-rights voters. Progressive candidates have already lost so many gun-rights voters that I don't view support of gun regulations as causing losses in any but edge cases.

treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Sep 14, 2017

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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botany posted:

i hate that this is a question i have to ask but: which senseless killing was jason stockley involved in?

ah for gently caress's sake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHE9ViYNiJw&t=390s
Starts at 6:30, after the shooting, with him grabbing the gun from a duffle bag, a bystander's video shows him entering Anthony Smith's car immediately after they pull Smith out, at 8:45.

The Chicago Tribune posted:

Assistant Circuit Attorney Robert Steele emphasized during the trial that police dashcam video of the chase captured Stockley saying he was "going to kill this (expletive), don't you know it." Less than a minute later, the officer fatally shot Smith. Stockley's lawyer dismissed the comment as "human emotions" amid a dangerous police pursuit.

At the end of the chase, Stockley opened fire only when Smith, still in his car, refused commands to put up his hands and reached along the seat "in the area where the gun was," Stockley's attourney said. Stockley said he climbed into Smith's car and found a revolver stuffed between the center console and passenger seat.

But prosecutors questioned why Stockley dug into a bag in the back seat of the police SUV before returning to Smith's car.

The gun found in Smith's car did not have Smith's DNA on it, but it did have Stockley's.

"The gun was a plant," the prosecution said.

treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Sep 15, 2017

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Jul 25, 2011

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tentative8e8op posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHE9ViYNiJw&t=390s
Starts at 6:30, after the shooting, with him grabbing the gun from a duffle bag, a bystander's video shows him entering Anthony Smith's car immediately after they pull Smith out, at 8:45.


I'm looking frame by frame and it looks to me like the gun is pointing down and to the left as he pulls it out of the bag

treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Sep 16, 2017

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Jul 25, 2011

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logosanatic posted:

my instincts say hes grabbing a gun to plant. but just looking at the video from a evidence perspective i dont know what he has in his hand

if i was a lawyer id want to videotape replicate that situation to see what a grainy gun held at an angle looks like

also does he put it in his pocket? because i read there was footage of him walking towards the victims car and there was nothing in his hand.

what did the defense say he was grabbing there?
Stockley said he was getting Quick Clot from his bag, and I think he opened his duty belt to hide what he grabbed into his pants.

treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Sep 16, 2017

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Jul 25, 2011

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Dead Reckoning posted:

You know what? Screw you. If someone says, "hey you can feed this starving child right in front of you, or you can choose to prevent ten people on the other side of the planet from dying of preventable disease this year" it's not a failure of empathy if I pick the ten, it's a choice not to limit my empathy to what is right in front of me, not to limit my focus to immediate problems. I get that this issue is personal for you, but asking "would this be the best use of our limited resources?" isn't sociopathy, it's rationality.

Dead Reckoning posted:

This poo poo right here is why I can't take a lot of the more militant UHC advocates seriously. "Beep boop, just take. all the F-35 money and use it to buy healthcare. So simple." The F-35 program is our only option to recapitalize our fighblah blah blah
hey you can feed this starving child right in front of you and you can choose to prevent ten people on the other side of the planet from dying of preventable disease this year, or you can build another dumb plane.

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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Jaxyon posted:

Also "give me specific examples so I can understand because I can't see it myself" to a PoC is a great example of this.

It comes off as sea-lioning and if you can't see this yourself, you're part of the problem.

I feel like many of the people from our last few pages who have, in part, dismissed such criticism as being an empty political attack from 'centrists/liberals' are very much in the same vein too.

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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CBS Miami posted:

The voicemail messages left on Gov. Rick Scott’s personal cellphone by a Hollywood nursing home where at least 11 people have died were deleted, according to the governor’s office.

In the week leading up to Irma, Gov. Scott held a series of conference calls with emergency managers as well as hospital and nursing home officials. During those conference calls he gave out his cellphone number and said if any of the healthcare centers experienced trouble they should call him at that number and he would work to resolve their problem.

There were a total of four voicemails left during the 36 hours before the first patient died, and they would have been a critical piece of evidence in the ongoing investigation into the patient deaths. The governor’s office said the voicemails were deleted in accordance with the state’s public records law.

On September 10, administrators contacted Florida Power with an emergency request to restore power. According to nursing home officials, FPL said they would have crews dispatched the next morning. The nursing home also spoke to the emergency operations center in Tallahassee, which notified the 152-bed facility that their order would be “escalated.”

By the evening of September 11, Natasha Anderson, a vice president with The Rehabilitation Center at Hollywood Hills, says she called the governor’s cellphone to say the nursing home needed “immediate assistance” in restoring the power to their air conditioning system. Anderson dialed the cellphone number provided by Scott. It went straight to voicemail.

Anderson made three additional calls to Scott’s cellphone on September 12.

By September 13, patients at the nursing suffered myriad health issues and at least five of the patients had died. State officials say temperatures inside the nursing home were high, and that some of the dead registered body temperatures as high as 109 degrees. The nursing home was then evacuated. At least a half dozen more patients would die in the days that followed.

Scott said at no time did anyone from the nursing home suggest there was a crisis or that patients were in danger. The Governor has cut off Medicaid and Medicare funding for the nursing home, and suspended its license.

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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We worked on the Hurricane information document today, and there are a whole mess of new PR resources to check out, including ways to get in touch with people who you haven't heard from.

The American Red Cross Safe and Well Website and Univision's local information tool, where you can search by municipality and get the latest information available about the situation there, are both very helpful.

If you are in the U.S. and need to find your family in Puerto Rico:
Write to the Puerto Rico Federal Affairs Administration by emailing maria1@prfaa.pr.gov. Due to the large volume of emails, do not send more than one unless the situation of your family member has changed.
Call the Puerto Rico Federal Affairs Administration: 202-800-3133
Call the radio station WIPR 787-777-0940
Call the Puerto Rico Family Institute at 212-414-7895. They are helping PRFAA because their lines are slammed. Just go through the recorded message and press any key.

We would also like to point out an opportunity to help that seems well suited to many goons:

Tech experts needed posted:

People in the diaspora with a tech-related background who want to donate their expertise are encouraged to fill out the Maria Tech Recovery Effort form. This form is being managed by a group organizing through Startups of Puerto Rico who will work to connect key people on the ground in PR with the best talent in the diaspora. In order to partner effectively, they are using the form to create an “inventory” of talent that can be leveraged to help stand up services and share resources.

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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I was curious if your list included dogs, and it did, so I'm gonna be nitpicking your numbers. By my count your 2014 list has 42 LEO killed by deliberate gunfire, assault, or deliberate vehicular assault in the US. Your list included accidental accidents by drunk drivers, officers killed off duty in like bar fights or at home, corrections officers, someone in the navy who was shot on a ship, someone injured in an accident in 1993, and a half dozen dogs. I don't like how you chose 2014 when 2015 and 2016 were available, but safer, years.

I'm also seeing over 920,000 sworn LEOs in the US; your DoJ document comes up ~165,000 short by not including full-time sworn federal officers and part-time sworn local officers.

My updated numbers almost halve the rate of LEOs deliberately killed in the line of duty from what you were showing. (0.0813 to 0.0456 per thousand, if I'm doing it right)

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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Dead Reckoning posted:

Incorrect, dogs are listed separately at the bottom.

Gunfire: 48 + Assault: 3 + Vehicular assault: 10 = 61.
Your site includes those dogs in the 48 officers killed by gunfire.

e:

your edit posted:

I left out car crashes, pursuits, accidental gunfire etc. where there wasn't an element of deliberate intent.
I looked through the cases bc I was curious, and removed such cases I saw from my numbers. Like someone injured in 1993 succumbing, accidental drunk drivers who were charged with vehicular assault, and someone shot in an off-duty bar fight shouldn't really count.

treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Sep 29, 2017

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Jul 25, 2011

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Rockopolis posted:

Is it reporting bias or something that makes it seem that despite widespread availability of firearms all we ever seem to get is pointless spree killings? Is it that by the time someone is in the right frame of mind to murder, they skip straight to spree killings? I'm always surprised that we don't have a commensurate amount of political and other kinds of purposeful violence to go with the semi-regular spree killings, like they're an outlier on the amounts of violence. Like, you never hear about people wasting their boss/landlord/bank/insurance or whatever has been tormenting them, just random strangers.
I'm pretty sure it's reporting bias, America has had like 47,000 shootings this year.

Gun Violence Archive posted:

2017
Total Number of Incidents: 46,743
Number of Deaths: 11,699
Number of Injuries: 23,741

treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Oct 4, 2017

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Jul 25, 2011

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https://twitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/915317663789928448
Republican talking points:


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Jul 25, 2011

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https://twitter.com/dougbrown8/status/918252440448667648
https://twitter.com/NLG_Portland/status/918282474383224832

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Jul 25, 2011

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https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/918243249436758018
https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/918243002333761536

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Jul 25, 2011

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The Washington Post posted:

Deaths rise to 23, with hundreds missing, as wildfires scorch California wine country. The killer wildfires that have scorched Northern California remain almost completely uncontained. Officials warned Wednesday that some of the big fires could merge.

Officials with the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (Cal Fire) said they have yet to determine the cause of the fires, which have killed at least 23 people in Napa, Sonoma, Yuba and Mendocino counties.

The conflagrations have led tens of thousands of people to flee their homes. Evacuations continue, including one order Wednesday afternoon covering the entire city of Calistoga in Napa County. About 4,400 are in shelters and will not be able to go home for many days, officials said. The Sonoma County Sheriff’s Office said of the 600 people reported missing, 315 have been located safe. Another 285 are still reported missing, but many may have lost cellphones or Internet access and may not have been able to reach friends or family.

Statewide, 8,000 firefighters are working to contain 22 wildfires that cover 170,000 acres — a collective area larger than the city of Chicago. The worst are in Napa, Sonoma and Mendocino counties, where 4,500 homes and businesses had been burned at last count.

The fire has put a strain on federal resources, too. Coming on the heels of catastrophic hurricanes, the California wildfires in total represent just one of 22 disasters that the Federal Emergency Management Agency is managing across the nation. Eighty-five percent of FEMA’s 9,900 full-time employees are working “in the field,” away from their assigned offices, agency spokesman Mike Cappannari said.


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Jul 25, 2011

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Condiv posted:

it doesn't help that hillary is literally still trying to rehash the election to this day...

WampaLord posted:

She was urged to drink more water regularly by her staffers and ignored them, so yea it was kind of her fault.

I highly doubt that particular event cost her the election, though. Very few voters care about health concerns, we have VPs after all.

The Kingfish posted:

It's a journalist's job to mindlessly regurgitate interesting campaign messaging—which Clinton never provided.

NewForumSoftware posted:

spoiler alert: they are both ricblahblah

Neurolimal posted:

The Guliani Of Demoblahblah

steinrokkan posted:

"Clinton has also blahbl;ahblah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdk4d74j3p8

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Jul 25, 2011

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NBC posted:

Raging wildfires forced an elderly couple to jump into a pool to escape the superheated air as their rented house burned — with the husband cradling his dying wife in his arms.

Armando Berriz, 76, and his wife of 55 years, Carmen, 75, were on vacation in wine country with their daughter, their son-in-law and a grandchild and had three beautiful days together before the fire moved closer last Monday. "That evening, we were playing games and we were by the pool about 10:30 p.m. to 11 p.m.," said the Berrizes' daughter, Monica Berriz Ocon. "We were in the jacuzzi enjoying the evening. There was no trace of smoke or any haze. We couldn't smell anything."

A few hours later, Ocon's husband woke her, saying he smelled smoke. They looked out the windows of their rented home and saw a slight glow over a nearby ridge. "As soon as I got back to the bedroom, there was fire [that] had started on my side of the house and, embers were flying crazy," she said.

Ocon went to alert her parents, but the fire was moving swiftly and unimpeded right for their house. "It literally happened within a minute's time. It was violent and very aggressive," she said. "I proceeded to wake up my daughter, told her to get up. She had only enough time to grab a towel to cover herself, and we all got in our cars."

The family broke up into three cars and tried to roll down the street to safety, but the elder Berrizes got separated when the caravan tried to turn around — the couple, now alone, ended up back at the house where the only safe place was the pool. "He said, 'We need to get to the pool.' He says God gave him that Idea," Ocon said. "He and my mom grabbed each other's arms, hands and they ran to the pool. It was the only thing that was not aflame — it was the only path he had, and he went there with my mom, and they jumped in."

Ocon estimated that the pair spent five to six hours keeping themselves submerged, coming up only for air.

"My mother fought hard," she said. "She did not have the stamina that my father had, and they were together the whole time. She slowly lost strength, and it was a blessing. She passed away in my father's arms peacefully. [...] We can draw conclusions as to how she passed," Ocon said. "It could've been the smoke inhalation or the cold of the pool, hypothermia. We don't really know just yet, but what we do know is that it was a peaceful passing."

Armando Berriz clung to the edge of the pool to keep them both afloat, causing second-degree burns. The couple, who were childhood sweethearts, immigrated to the United States from Cuba to build a life and a family together.

:(

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Majorian posted:

That doesn't seem to be how she died, friend.

I come from Napa. A lot of my friends there and in Sonoma have lost their homes.

Finding out how the Democrats will beat the party and president that want to implement policies that will make natural disasters like these more common is a pretty important topic to discuss.
:( I hope all your friends are safe and sound. Have you heard anything secondhand about what aid people who have lost their homes are getting? News stories are saying almost 6,000 houses and buildings have burnt down and 100,000 people were in evacuation zones.

I totally agree with you that Democrats' plans against the national death cult are important, but the people I quoted seem really focused on keeping news exclusively about Clinton, how much they hate her, and how they feel she is representative of "establishment" Democrats, rather than have such a discussion. My feeling is that constantly turning any conversation about Democrats into an echo-chamber of Clinton/party-hate is an easy way to poison faith in positive change. Like, repeating 'both sides are as bad,' 'Clinton is just as bad as Trump,' etc over and over only discourages people from reading or contributing anything positive about political plans moving forward, and absolutely drowns out general US news ITT(there's a LOT happening rn).

withak posted:

There [is] an entire other thread for tediously rehashing the election of 2016

treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 10:17 on Oct 16, 2017

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Jul 25, 2011

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https://twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/920011063860572160

quote:

One of the University of Florida’s top doctors recently told the Washington Post that the security operation to protect Richard Spencer on October 19 involves closing a major outpatient clinic and surgery center, disrupting students’ ability to access medical services. No student group at the University of Florida has invited Spencer, who is simply renting space for his own private event

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Jul 25, 2011

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LATimes posted:

Joel Cotto and Jesús González picked up their fishing nets after a full day at a lake in Cidra, Puerto Rico, feeling good about their bucket full of shrimp and fish known as chopas. The friends said they had become fishermen after Hurricane Maria devastated the island, because food had become so scarce for their families.

Cotto, 50, said the hurricane ripped the roof off his home in Aguas Buenas, a municipality in the island’s central region, and damaged virtually everything, including the refrigerator. “The roof, the house, everything is stripped away,” Cotto said. “We have to fish for what we are going to eat today.”

Like Cotto and González, 57, many Puerto Ricans are making substantial adjustments to their lives based on hurricane-related devastation to the island, a U.S. territory. Despite some aid reaching residents during the past four weeks, many people have had to find new ways to at least temporarily feed their families, filter water and care for the young, elderly and sick.

Food, water, medicine, electricity and shelter all remain desperately scarce on the island. The hurricane wiped out thousands of homes, decimated agriculture and cut power and phone lines, making it difficult for most of Puerto Rico’s 3.4 million residents to communicate with family or aid services. Some roads in mountainous regions contort and contract with mudslides that expose precipices on each side. In some cases, people have been left isolated by collapsed bridges in communities that already were off the beaten path.

The number of deaths associated with the hurricane rose to at least 49, Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rossello said Friday, and that number was expected to go up again. Officials said dozens of people are still missing.

Despite help from the Federal Emergency Management Agency and other agencies as well as private fundraising and aid efforts, many residents in Puerto Rico remain in trouble. Thousands have left the island to be with or near relatives on the mainland.

Magdanell Quiñones, a teacher in San Juan, said the island is in crisis despite a tendency for many people to put on a brave face. “For everybody who hears we are OK, that means we are alive. But there has not been a day when I have not come home crying because I am thinking of a mother who came to me saying that we have no food,” she said. Quiñones said she feels hopeful when she sees members of her community working to rebuild neighborhoods with their own hands. She has a child with special needs who has taken to working on their vegetable garden, which they replanted days after the storm hit.

Marinilda Rivera Diaz, a social worker in Rio Piedras, is part of an interdisciplinary team of professionals working at one of the “Stop and Go” centers, a government initiative where residents go for food, medical care and help filling out paperwork for federal aid. “I am worried about the people who have bedridden family members living in their homes who depend on a respirator,” she said. “Can you imagine what it is like to need to breathe and not have oxygen?”

Officials said the water reaching about two-thirds of the homes on the island is now considered safe to drink, but they acknowledged that damage to the main laboratories responsible for measuring water quality has made it difficult to conduct rigorous testing. The Environmental Protection Agency has urged residents to boil water before drinking it. Among the warnings from government officials was that people should not take water from natural streams because fluid from sewers was leaking into some rivers.

The lake where Cotto and González were fishing is not far from the La Plata River, which officials say has been contaminated by sewage runoff. The friends said they hoped for the best. “I don't think it is contaminated because we have eaten fish from it before,” Gonzalez said.

Chicago Sun Times posted:

“I’ve lost everything,” Castro said. “I have no place to go, nothing to do. I’ve never experienced this before. My home — the whole island — is completely destroyed.”

Like an estimated 1,000 or more from the hurricane-ravaged island, Castro has found refuge in Chicago. Mayor Rahm Emanuel has made clear the city could open its doors to tens of thousands more.

Castro has been staying with a friend since Oct. 12, and even though city officials are trying to help him find housing, he still is saddened when he thinks of his home — and what he says is the federal government’s lackluster response to the humanitarian crisis he witnessed firsthand. Emanuel, as well as other elected officials, are collaborating to welcome evacuees in a style similar to Houston after Hurricane Katrina. Ald. Gilbert Villegas predicted the influx could roughly double the city’s Puerto Rican population of 103,000. Others aren’t so sure the number will get that high.

The number of evacuees in the city isn’t completely clear. Alicia Tate-Nadeau, director of the city’s Office of Emergency Management and Communications, said at least 1,600 have passed through O’Hare Airport — a number that comes from the Department of Aviation, which keeps track of humanitarian flights from disaster zones. A welcome center at the Humboldt Park field house will open in Maldonado’s ward, the alderman says on his web site. It will connect evacuees to clothing, food and housing as well as other resources they may need after landing in the city.

Point people have been designated for evacuees within Chicago social-service agencies, too. If the number of evacuees spikes, plans call for a multiagency resource center to help meet their needs, said Cristina Pacione-Zayas “Even though many are staying with family, that’s not sustainable over time. We need federal help,” Pacione-Zayas said. “The city needs to flex its political muscle to put pressure on the federal government.”

Pacione-Zayas and politicians like U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez have flexed their own muscle in directing aid to Puerto Rico, as President Donald Trump has suggested that the financially troubled island — whose 3.4 million residents are American citizens — would soon have to bear the brunt of rebuilding.

Asked if the city’s plan will be helpful, Omar Torres-Kortright said he believes the city is doing a good job so far. “I think how the city handles this situation will become more evident as the number of people increases,” said Torres, who is hosting his parents. “We’re going to be able to measure the city’s response later when Puerto Ricans who may not have family [in Chicago] come and try to continue their lives.”

The city’s plan also includes coordination with Chicago Public Schools to make sure children can be enrolled while they’re here — a move that shouldn’t overcrowd schools if the numbers remain low, officials said.

Jobs are another point of concern. Maldonado said he and others in the 26th Ward were reaching out to labor unions in hopes of placing trade workers. An association of those labor unions — the Chicago Federation of Labor — is part of an investor group that recently purchased the Chicago Sun-Times.

Castro, a retired water infrastructure worker, would like that. “Puerto Rico is part of the United States, and we need help,” Castro said. “I’m proud of those who are trying to do everything they can to help us, but I don’t think this will be fixed quickly. I’ll probably spend the rest of my life — whatever is left of it — in Chicago.”

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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Crowsbeak posted:

Guerilla wars can be kept under control and Ghadaffi a successful power player would have handed it well. Also wahabis deserve death. You shoukd ask me what i’ll do when Riyahd burns.
L

:yikes:

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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Chomskyan posted:

I think you missed my point and are being pretty condescending, but if you want to post some links about the organizations you've mentioned feel free. Literally nobody is stopping you from doing something productive in this thread. In fact, I encourage you to do so
:confused:
Did you mean to quote a different post?

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/924951516238184449

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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https://twitter.com/reclaimuc/status/927604529369149442

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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GlyphGryph posted:

Koalas March posted:

Nazis are not simply "broken people" they are fascists who want to kill me, my family and other already vulnerable minorities.

They want to commit genocide. They want to do harm to people. They revere those who came before them and have committed such atrocities.

They deserve neither humanizing nor compassion.

And here it is. The comforting lie.

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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stone cold posted:

nazis are monsters

how is this hard
seriously

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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tsa posted:

Lefty dummies treat fascism like conservative morons treat the gay

stone cold posted:

nazis are monsters

how is this hard

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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viral spiral posted:

It's almost like they should call themselves socialists then.

:anarchists:

treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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Kokoro Wish posted:

I am still unsure how the Democrat's Russia narrative can still exist in a world in which the said Democrats have given the supposed Manchurian candidate full access to domestic, expanded spying networks and data collection thoroughly against the constitution.

What is "Russia narrative" even supposed to mean? Like, do you believe the libertarian conspiracy theories which say Russia didn't influence the election, and the establishment is just making everything up?

treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Jan 19, 2018

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treasured8elief
Jul 25, 2011

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nah

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