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Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

I really feel like I don't ask for much from Democrats... just be not lovely enough that I can hold my nose and vote for you over the Republican and only hate myself for, like, a week or two. That's it.

It doesn't seem like that much of a bar, but Pelosi and Hoyer are fairly impressive in their staggering inability to meet it.

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Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer
Pelosi defends Hoyer

quote:

“I don’t know that a person can tape a person without the person’s consent and then release it to the press,” Pelosi told reporters at her weekly news conference. “In terms of candidates and campaigns I don’t see anything inappropriate in what Mr. Hoyer was engaged in — a conversation about the realities of life in the race as to who can make the general election.”

If it's really not a problem, then why doesn't the DCCC disclose the fact that they're doing it, instead of holding on to ostensible neutrality? If you're gonna do things this way, the least you could do is not lie about it.


joepinetree posted:

No, but you see, California's jungle primary rules mean that....
California's primaries are bullshit, and absolutely justification for the party getting involved in the primaries. But they need to do it openly, instead of from behind closed doors.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

poopinmymouth posted:

According to the smooth brained lanyard brigade I sometimes engage in, their response is "yeah the DCCC is super sleazy but this says nothing about the DNC as a whole"

I wasn't aware that Pelosi and Hoyer had left the party.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer
The McCain/Trump/Obama thing is incredible.

John McCain doesn't want Donald Trump at his funeral, but invited Barack Obama to give a eulogy.

I desperately hope that Donald Trump tweets about this after John McCain dies. Not because I think it will affect his support, but because I want to watch Republicans defend it.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer
"Stop resisting" is the new "it's comin' right for us!"

Kilroy posted:

I mean if you're going to judge the quality of a candidate purely on their ability to raise money, you should get a job at the DCCC.

Wait, is there another way to judge candidate quality? If they don't have a $250,000 rolodex, how are we supposed to know that they can get an appropriate ROI on the 80% of their time they're required to spend fundraising?

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

self unaware posted:

hmm maybe you shouldn't join and try to work within the confines of a system set up for and administered by capitalists specifically to undermine your own goals

or you know, register democrat and keep the lesser of two evils train rolling
I mean... the whole system strongly disincentivizes third parties. So, if you don't like the way the "progressive" party works, your options are either a nigh-impossible uphill battle to create a significant third party which--if it does manage to get anywhere--will likely be co-opted by the major party for a few token concessions, then back to business as usual...

Or you can try to change the existing party from the inside, fighting the uphill battle against the entrenched forces who place their thumb on the scale of the internal party mechanisms to make sure systemic change is next to impossible.

I don't really feel like I can come down all that hard on progressives who choose the latter.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Office Pig posted:

https://twitter.com/AP/status/996169076627079174?s=19
Eat my poo poo, Bezos (honorable mention to lesser poo poo-eater, David Horsey)

Less of a victory than it sounds like, because Bezos' bought-and-paid-for mayor got the tax down to a little over half of what it originally was, and (by the Chamber of Commerce's own measurements) less than a quarter of what it needs to be.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Kilroy posted:

Also I'm pretty sure this tax is going to be brought before the WA Supreme Court eventually, right?

Tim Eyman hasn't died yet, right?

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

galenanorth posted:

Hypothetically, if the Constitution were changed to enforce that political parties have to select their nominees democratically, what would the text of the amendment look like?

If we're far enough along that that is even an option, we should really just throw out the whole thing and start over.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

What... The... gently caress?!

Further evidence that our biggest mistake wasn't purging the Confederates after the first civil war.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer
I am so pissed at the way the Seattle head tax is being covered on the national level.

Washington State has the most regressive tax code in the country, and the state legislature won't allow income taxes at all. Which means if we want to pass a progressive tax that we desperately need on the local level, we have to use a dumb workaround like this head tax. But all the national coverage just refers to it as a "job-killing tax," failing to mention that the amount it taxes is well under 1% of Amazon's profit from last year, that the state legislature ties localities' hands, that the state legislature is taking shitloads of money from Seattle to pay for poo poo in the rest of the state, and a huge amount of the problems we're having with affordable housing are directly attributable to Amazon. loving bullshit.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Robert loving Bork. If you're wondering if the Republicans have all of a sudden become corrupt shitpieces in the last few years, he's illustrative of the fact that nothing has changed.

The man was Nixon's Solicitor General. During the Saturday Night Massacre, Nixon ordered his Attorney General to fire the Special Counsel. His Attorney General--being a man of at least minimal character and morals--refused to do so, and was fired. Nixon ordered his Deputy Attorney General to fire the Special Counsel. His Deputy Attorney General--being a man of at least minimal character and morals--refused to do so, and was fired. So, Nixon ordered Robert Bork to fire the Special Counsel. Robert Bork--lacking even the slightest character or morals--went ahead and did it so he would get to be Attorney General.

And when it came time to appoint a Supreme Court Justice, Ronald Reagan said "this is the best-qualified candidate in the loving country." And the Senate Republicans agreed with him, because they, too, lacked even the slightest character or morals.

I am better qualified for the Supreme Court than Robert Bork was, and I've never even gone to law school.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

John Kasich posted:

People aren't outraged that conservatives are pursuing conservative policy. People are outrage that Democrats hold themselves to a different set of rules than Republicans when Democrats are in power, out of fear of what Republicans might do if the tables were turned, even though Republicans are going to do those things anyway.

Nobody is loving scared of Democrats. Look at how the Russia investigation was handled versus how the Hillary email investigation was handled. It's because Democrats are spineless loving jellyfish, and everyone knows it, including Democrats.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer
Should have prayed at him instead.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Condiv posted:

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/999045251531788293

congrats dems on refusing to correct course

and if OR was defending dems bad decisions wrt Dreamers and immigrants, well they need to correct course too. though, at this point i'm still not sold on the story

The key is to act more Republican.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Ardennes posted:

Admitted, the polls are getting pretty noisy at this point, but yeah I am not convinced that the House is going to be a "slamdunk" at this point and I think the Senate is real reach.

Obviously, the optimistic assumption for the Democrats is that Trump goes down/is forced to resign and/or the GOP turns on him. That said, Trump after everything is seeing a bump in the polls (into the mid-40s) and it seems there is at least a distinct possibility that the GOP just keeps on trucking and eventually will get that SCOTUS seat.

There is a real chance things start to get even worse in the not too near future, and at that point you just kind of hope the economy collapses (seriously) will be enough to challenge to derail the GOP.

What is plan B at this point, because there might need to be one?

I feel like plan B is either "lots of ammo and freeze-dried food in a bunker under your house" or "have a dual citizenship."

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer
Democrats set to help pass bipartisan bank deregulation.

I'm sure this will help their generic ballot poll numbers.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Mustached Demon posted:

Nothing says home of the free like kowtowing to people not brave enough to deal with poc.

I don't see what the big deal is; the NFL is just telling the players that they agree with the goals they seek, but they can't agree with their methods of direct action. They're just asking them to wait for a more convenient season.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer
The State Legislature folded hard as Coca Cola bought themselves a tax rebate.

SEIU backing this and the construction unions in Seattle backing the head tax repeal makes me think that Janus is probably for the best.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Mantis42 posted:

Consumption taxes are regressive horseshit, they were right to fight them.

I don't think they're great or anything, but I definitely think setting the precedent that Coca Cola can say "jump" and SEIU and the legislature ask "how high?" is far more harmful in the long run.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Business Gorillas posted:

"why are these unions fighting for jobs for their workers?!" demands local idiot
Yeah, I can't imagine how establishing the precedent that a major corporation can write a tiny-rear end check and have the state government at their beck and call could possibly go poorly for unions. Or anyone else.

But no, Coca-Cola said that would affect their jobs, and if anyone knows anything, it's that the union's first responsibility is to believe what major multinational corporations tell them.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

But you need to respect the Democratic institutions!

THE INSTITUTIONS!

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/07/dont-pack-the-courts/564479/

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

joepinetree posted:

Huh?

First, I don't think it's the "activist left" that is pushing for the restoration of the filibuster.

Second, given McCain's absence and Collins' statement on Roe, I wouldn't be surprised if Kavanagh is only confirmed because of democratic votes.
Susan Collins is Lucy, a dissenting vote from her party is the football, and Democrats and foolish progressives are Charlie Brown.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Holy gently caress.

"They assured me it's what Benjamin Netanyahu wanted..."

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

This was missed in today's crazy show.

Cop firing from a moving vehicle adjacent to a school.

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1019011266021474306

How else are you going to get the attention of the good kids with guns?

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Condiv posted:

:agreed:

we could've used this when he was in office, not when he's completely out of power

doesn't help that UBI usually tags along with defunding other social safety net stuff

As a far-lefty socialist-type... I'd be perfectly happy to defund a shitload of social safety net stuff in exchange for an adequate UBI.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

The problem is that even then it's a lot easier to cut a UBI, or fail to index it to inflation, rather than a bunch of disparate programs (food stamps, section 8, etc.)

I'm generally pro UBI but there's a lot of devils in the details.

Yeah, there are a ton of devils in the details. But I think one that's indexed to inflation and set at a level that can easily cover food & rent in a cheap area is a much better program than the mishmash we have now.

I mean, of course it would have to come with some sort of universal healthcare. But once you've got that? I would be happy doing away with everything from Social Security to unemployment insurance, with the exception of SSI/disability. I'd be happy to lighten up on labor laws a lot as well (not the 40-hour work week, but stuff like mandatory sick leave). A UBI that amounted to "gently caress you" money would do a lot to give employees leverage against employers ("gently caress you" money being enough to be able to walk up to your boss and say "gently caress you, I quit" without having to worry about where you're going to live the next week).

Your Parents posted:

I don't think we need any more bullshit jobs but infrastructure would be nice. Automate everything and give me a check so I can jerk off and play video games. gently caress venerating labor.

I feel like there's a lot more devils in the details of universal employment. Like, do we have to have enough jobs in every area for everyone to have? Are we going to require people to move if not? If so, are we just going to have people digging holes and refilling them in areas that don't really need anything done?

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer
Warren, Biden, and Bernie are too old. Harris, Booker, Gillibrand, Warren, and Biden are too conservative.

As someone else said, if Feingold could win an election, he'd be good. But he can't.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Party Plane Jones posted:

to be fair when you have the world's most obvious case of dementia as your president you sort of start looking sideways at anybody over 70

(if bloomberg also runs as 3rd party he's going to be about the same age making it the election of the olds)
Nobody over 70 should be loving President, if only for a complete lack of skin in the game.

Hell, I don't think they should be Senators, either.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Mantis42 posted:

People don't lionize Hubert Humphrey, just the dead union busting, mob connected Catholic who enjoyed spitroasting teenage interns with his brother.
JFK appointed his loving brother to be attorney general. loving seriously.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Lightning Knight posted:

Ehhhhh I wouldn’t go that far.

Somebody asserted a few weeks ago that SEIU is bad, true/false? If they are bad, why is that?

Might've been me. I was railing against unions after they sabotaged the head tax in Seattle and the soda tax in California (SEIU was big on the latter). It's mostly a "what have you done for us lately?" sort of thing; most of the major unions in the country have the same problem as the Democratic party, where the entrenched leadership is all about staying entrenched, and doing what's best for them and not what's best for their people. At the moment, SEIU in particular is hedging on Medicare for all.

And note that the unions' most notable accomplishments for the last... what, 30 or 40 years is finally bringing the minimum wage up to a level it was at 30 or 40 years ago... in a few cities. Where's our 30-hour work week? Where's the overtime for "managers" making $40,000 a year? Where's the mandatory sick leave (aside from a few cities)? Where's our universal healthcare, so we don't have to rely on our employers for it?

But as soon as a major corporation says "oh, this tax or regulation might make me cut jobs..." they immediately jump into loving action, at their loving beck and call. It's loving disgusting.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Condiv posted:

sorry, i was wrong. their plan isn't to make 2 years of college free. it's to pay states to incentivize them to make two years of community college free.


i'm not sure what level of promise this indicates. is it the "internet companies promise to build out broadband in exchange of subsidies" style promise, or something that's actually legally binding? my guess is the former

It sounds like a good way to get private companies to start operating their own for-profit community colleges. In a few years, they'll make it illegal for the states to discriminate against the for-profit colleges, and Fox/Biden/Booker will jump on it with zeal.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

A bipartisan group... Started by two conservative Republicans. Seems legit.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Nothus posted:

It tastes like you're paying for the bottle.
Yeah.

In fairness, the variance in taste on vodka is very small relative to other liquors. Bad vodka is bad, but it's got nothing on bad whiskey, bad gin, or bad tequila.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Mantis42 posted:

The NRA and white militias are reactionary af and America has a problem with gun violence, but you're a lovely Leftist if you want to disarm the working class. Gun control should start with the heavily militarized police and MIC, but the bourgeois state would never allow this and gun confiscation programs would be used as another excuse to attack minority communities and working class organization, just like when Reagan attacked the Black Panthers.

When was the last time guns actually helped leftists achieve anything in this country?

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer
Ezra Klein did a great job of summarizing a lot of the systemic issues we're staring down the barrel of right now.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

One big systemic issue is the tendency of Democrats and leftists to ascribe their political failures to systemic issues, as if this lame excuse means they can shirk responsibility. Yes, there are problems with our democratic institutions and system of government; no, that does not excuse your total failure to present your voters with a worthwhile ideological platform and to act on an attractive, clearly articulated governing agenda.
Oh, Democrats are loving awful, and a lot of this is their fault, too. They stood out of the way and let all this happen in the name of :decorum:. They're garbage.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

kidkissinger posted:

Yeah, the only thing that would be different is that Obama would have furrowed his brow and said he was concerned about this.

If this is a meaningful distinction for you then IDK what to say.

I at least give Obama credit for trying to create a relationship with the Iranians so we had a plausible alternative to the Saudis as our only significant regional ally outside of Israel.

But yeah, his reaction would have been largely the same as Trump's, except putting a way better face on it as to make it look not nearly as bad.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

Obama probably would have done more because he's responsive to Elite liberal media opinion, which is firmly against the murder of a journalist, and they're continuing to ignore mass murder in Yemen

He wouldn't have done more, just talked a better game. He would have had it to page 11 right after it happened; a lot of the attention it's been getting is likely because of Trump's lovely handling of it.

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Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Frightening Knight posted:

That said, I think it’s likely that the Saudis would not have attempted such an obvious and poorly planned killing under Obama, and that Trump’s overt incompetence and support of strongmen emboldened them.

I think the thing that has so confused the Saudis about this is that America is failing so hard at what they have historically been so good at: making people not care about the actions of the Saudis. Historically, they've been able to act with impunity in the international stage without having to worry about any real consequences; Trump is new, and they're surprised because he's so bad at this.

Just look at their treatment of their own people for basically ever, their actions in Yemen, loving 9/11, etc.

They absolutely 100% would have done this under Obama, it just wouldn't have been a big deal.

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