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Welcome to USPOL the thread for all Not Trump US politics discussion, I'm your host a big idiot statist. Current Hot Topic Hurricane season has begun! They are a waste, as posts of other things that are a waste go here General stuff: The Government is currently run by the Grand Old Party majority, which would like to remind you it is the party of Lincoln. Recently the Democrats seem to have taken up a defensive position outside an Applebees asking people to please tip your server even if they put children in internment camps. For some reason the stock market is pretty high right now, having nothing to do with Real Americans. We might be in a money fight for some reason. I dont know, Canada's handsome Ivanka bait is making the President of the United States jealous or something. Congress is full of clowns! What a bunch of clowns! Their disapproval is currently sitting somewhere around 79% Books of a useful nature to improve your horizons and political context (thanks Rappaport): Punishment and Inequality in America by Bruce Western The First Civil Right: How Liberals Built Prison America by Naomi Murakawa The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness by Michelle Alexander Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America by Barbara Ehrenreich Matt Taibbi's The Divide: American Injustice in the Age of the Wealth Gap and Griftopia: A Story of Bankers, Politicians, and the Most Audacious Power Grab in American History Drift: The Unmooring of American Military Power by Rachel Maddow Rick Perlstein's trilogy on the history of the modern conservative movement: Before the Storm: Barry Goldwater and the Unmaking of the American Consensus Nixonland: The Rise of a President and the Fracturing of America The Invisible Bridge: The Fall of Nixon and the Rise of Reagan Rule and Ruin: The Downfall of Moderation and the Destruction of the Republican Party, From Eisenhower to the Tea Party by Geoffrey Kabaservice Dog Whistle Politics: How Coded Racial Appeals Have Reinvented Racism and Wrecked the Middle Class by Ian Haney López Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right by Jane Mayer The Price of Inequality: How Today's Divided Society Endangers Our Future by Joseph Stiglitz Austerity: The History of a Dangerous Idea by Mark Blyth Fiasco: The American Military Adventure in Iraq, 2003 to 2005 by Thomas Ricks Dreamland: The True Tale of America's Opiate Epidemic by Sam Quinones Why the Right Went Wrong: Conservatism—From Goldwater to the Tea Party and Beyond by E.J. Dionne Jr. America's Bitter Pill: Money, Politics, Backroom Deals, and the Fight to Fix Our Broken Healthcare System by Steven Brill Savage Inequalities: Children in America's Schools by Jonathan Kozol Please suggest additions to the OP of a useful nature, much like your posting.  Please remember that self care is important in trying times: 
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Being a reformed Washington fan turned Buffalo fan turned NFL ex-pat, watching everyone else come around must be what every other activated person feels like when white folk get hyped to their cause. Has there been any significant noise about it since it's NFL Sunday? I know people were talking about Kaepernick got signed with someone. Trabisnikof posted:lol I thought the poo poo post tag was an intentional choice. It almost was, but then I forgot completely about it later when I had decided that it wasn't a good look, even if likely accurate.
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Sep 11, 2017 03:54
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Karatela posted:Why the gently caress isn't Drunkle Sam in the OP, like a proper USPol? Right, forgot the tradition.
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Sep 11, 2017 04:31
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Paracaidas posted:Does this catchall include idiot media figures? I'd say hot takes are our brand. But that would imply some sort of ideological consistency.
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Sep 11, 2017 04:53
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Mustached Demon posted:These piss threads help me cope with our gloriously lovely universe. I originally wanted to be angry with the thread title bitching about media normalcy bias but I just kinda jazzed my way to irreverence. Do we have any news on Florida's ability to pump water to above sea level to get back to working sewers?
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Sep 11, 2017 05:59
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Jealous Cow posted:So apparently the US response in the US Virgin Islands has been virtually nonexistent. Will add the books and hurricane stuff shortly
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Sep 11, 2017 15:19
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Similarly, I expect the Trump thread if properly used will go quiet on the weekend because we've seen the pattern at this point. I also expect there's little I can do to prevent this thread from being bad at times.
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Sep 11, 2017 15:45
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haveblue posted:Which thread has the tweet dumps All animals are taxed here, I'll be updating the OP as soon as I'm not on a stupid tablet, tweet dumps about Congress and or hurricanes probably go here.
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Sep 11, 2017 16:02
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:This past week and today have had a wave of potential congressional retirements. Seems pretty evenly split between Dems and Rs to be honest if I had my way, all seats vaguely resembling Feinsteins would open up because I really want some younger Dems NOW.
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Sep 11, 2017 16:13
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This is definitely the thread for talking about how hosed up whitey is. If you are a white person and find yourself questioning how hosed up it is, relax, it's ok to not identify with Nazis. You might just have more in common with POC than white nationalist terrorists, in fact I guarantee you do. OP is updated.
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Sep 11, 2017 17:00
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Haha, holy poo poo. quote:Clearly, richer borrowers were driving the trend. For instance, among prime borrowers, the growth in per capita mortgage balances held by investors was around 20 percentage points higher for those with the highest credit scores than those with the lowest.
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Sep 11, 2017 18:18
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Jaxyon posted:What exactly goes in a USPOL thread that isn't already a heavy crossover with the Trump thread? Everything in the Trump thread that isn't about Trump. There's plenty to go in both.
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Sep 12, 2017 01:25
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cargo cult posted:she's a multimillionaire and everything she's been saying or dog-whistling (e.g., "coors-light voters" are unreachable) indicate that she's more comfortable with the dems relegated to controlled opposition than she is seeing them move even slightly left in tone or platform The rich are not our friends unless they're willing to stop being rich for the good of the republic.
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Sep 12, 2017 01:34
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Since we are apparently doing the Democrats in this thread, here's some interesting quotes from Cory Booker on The Ezra Klein Show podcast. He's saying the right things. Mostly Paracaidas posted:The Healthcare Quote strikes me as what the establishment wing will go with in 2020, incrementalism while keeping a push towards the end goal. From what I understand they're going to fail all those questions really hard. RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Sep 12, 2017 |
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Sep 12, 2017 04:02
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Mustached Demon posted:He's studying the art of boning to better mimick humanity. Oh god he's melting, how?!
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Sep 12, 2017 06:04
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Tax 90% if over 100k of area median, problem solved.
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Sep 12, 2017 06:36
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Sounds wonderful. What, like a 90% rate for 5 million and above? Let's try and drive a wedge between the people that think they are rich and the people that are truely rich. Socialism for all who pay taxes. Businesses and People alike. Infrastructure, bread and circuses!
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Sep 12, 2017 07:07
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Paradoxish posted:If we're talking pie-in-the-sky here, you'd probably want something like that to be paired with guaranteed employment legislation. Provide an absolute guarantee of meaningful (ie, something that provides useful skills/experience and that won't just look like a black mark on a resume) employment to anyone who wants it at a good wage. Employ those people in either government jobs or with businesses working with the government and meeting certain standards. Subsidize wages for businesses in the program if the businesses meet whatever criteria you want to use to define them as a "small business." It doesn't even need to be this onerous, imagine if all recreation programs could afford to pay their coaches and maintenance people. Hell I could put literally everyone to work if you gave me a sustainable budget for it. RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Sep 12, 2017 |
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Sep 12, 2017 07:16
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i am harry posted:Being aware of something doesn't equate to recalling it at 6am + a baby + a 6 year old that needs to get ready for school There's something amusing to me about the Trump thread rather than USPOL being the thread talking aggressively about a human blobs sexual interests.
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Sep 12, 2017 15:46
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botany posted:fifth time's the charm i guess I'm starting to wonder what it is about Seattle Mayors.
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Sep 12, 2017 21:27
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botany posted:oh is this a recurring theme? i don't know that much about seattle politics. It's not that they have a record of getting thrown out or anything but Michael McGinn only lasted one term, which isn't indicative of anything. They're just very lukewarm and I have to wonder if the Seattle Times doesn't play a part in that.
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Sep 12, 2017 21:38
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Wtf why did it take five Short answer: The first four happened at the same time, he said he wasn't going to run for re-election as a result and suddenly the cases were dropped. Then the primaries happened and we get a woman mayor or a woman mayor and this one popped up. From what I understand there was a chorus of he only has a few months anyway and it'll cripple the city if there's no mayor in the interim, which I am skeptical of.
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Sep 12, 2017 23:21
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I'm generally of the mind that if something is held sacred you better be able to explain why and Jefferson is a great example of why you need to be willing to examine people held up as heroic. We as a society need to be able to take the best of all of us and realize humans are not binary; there's a lot of people I hold in high regard but would never aspire to be myself because I have the gift of history and context to know where by our standards those people were lacking. Jefferson doesn't even make my top 5, which as I think as an interesting point of discussion for USPOL would be the following: 5. Clair Cameron Patterson 4. Norman Borlaug 3. Fred Rogers 2. Albert Einstein 1. Ike Eisenhower Each one of them could be considered heroes and yet the higher you get up on that list the more problematic things you can find. The more power they had in society, the more likely they did some heinous poo poo too, but that doesn't mean we don't try to repeat the good things. I'm reminded of the statue of liberty, how the poem of The New Colossus I think is a perfect example of an ideal we must reach for, cherish and exalt, even if we've so far failed to make that ideal true for everyone, especially people of color. Who else do people see as having done things worth emulating?
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Sep 13, 2017 05:06
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Raskolnikov38 posted:wait what problematic poo poo did fred rogers ever do As far as I know he's unimpeachable but I wanted to make sure people knew Ike and Albert were by no means perfect. Fred is as close to sainthood as humanly possible as I'm aware.
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Sep 13, 2017 05:12
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I see everyone's point, but consider this: we're all generally on the same page here. This is an anti-Trump, anti-confederate, somewhat radical (not meant in a bad way) group here. We see someone covering a Jefferson monument with a shroud and think "OK, great. Jefferson was a rapist and a slaveholder. gently caress him". We need new heroes, part of the crucible of history is people justifying why Jefferson shouldnt be covered up.
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Sep 13, 2017 05:20
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:It's certainly true that if you look at Charlottesville and come away with "both sides are hate groups and should be condemned" , as a few of my friends/family members did, you're probably beyond hope. I see your point. Only actual, notified Nazis are probably beyond hope but we have to shift the conversation, and keep moving it so they can't settle into what's comfortable. Remember the enemy is literally reactionary thought and they will exhaust if they have to apply intellectual rigor, that is why they keep trying to hit the same points, the same cow bell over and over for 30 years. That is our glorious strength that we have over our opponents, we have no need to protect anything that isn't worth keeping.
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Sep 13, 2017 05:25
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If that's an accurate read of the contents of the book id be inclined to agree with its analysis, I'm going to openly admit there's no way I'm going to actually read it however, I just don't have the time for something that unimportant to me, I'd rather get through Thomas Pickety's Capital before id spend time on a pundit book, Clinton's or otherwise.
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Sep 13, 2017 08:46
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The thought crossing my mind is that with people like Bernie and Franken and really most of the but name Dems getting on in years and this stuff coming out how theyre (Obama, clinton) not really supportive of socialist policies one of three things is going to happen. 1. DSA is going to suddenly and quickly get much stronger 2. The dems are going to get jerked left, like it or not 3. They hold onto power far too long just like GOP boomers and we get 2018 full of poo poo. I want to avoid that last one at all costs.
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Sep 13, 2017 09:03
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Equifax and how that plays out could set a strong precedent for companies that don't act in the public interest, so while it may not seem connected at all, raise helll with your representatives and senators and Make.Them. Pay. This is Citizens United moment.
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Sep 13, 2017 15:40
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BlueberryCanary posted:Would be better to see Equifax corporates get the guillotine Imagine the effect on the remaining companies if Equifax was ended.
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Sep 13, 2017 15:45
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axeil posted:Hilldawg's interview on Pod Save America is real good and everyone should listen to it. Is this on iTunes or is there a platform agnostic link?
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Sep 13, 2017 16:51
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axeil posted:Nah mostly in how she (rightfully) really loving hates Bernie and points out all the little insidious things he did that undermined her. To make an analogy he was basically a little kid holding his hand in front of your face saying "I'm not touching you! I'm not touching you!" and people fell for that excuse/explanation. And also how she points out sexism was a major contributing factor to why she lost even though no one admits it.
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Sep 13, 2017 17:14
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axeil posted:
I'd be curious to know your top 5 as mentioned up thread. I really want people to examine whom they value and why.
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Sep 13, 2017 17:26
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I'm not an investment banker.
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axeil posted:We talking all Americans or just Presidents? See I think this is fascinating and actually a productive way to have "grandpa" chat. One of my reasons for asking is, I think in contempory politics we often get stuck in the moment, and I think Clinton will be an obvious bit of history but I don't see what talking about her will accomplish now, the entire thing rings hollow to me because if she was really interested in helping I would think we'd hear what needs to be done next rather than what is apparently an entire book of navel gazing.
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Sep 13, 2017 18:03
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Taerkar posted:You're a lot more optimistic of progressive voters than I am. I hope you're right. This is why I'm suggesting people post their 5, you don't even need to order them. It's time for us to start believing in things again, and thanks to everyone who's participated so far. We've had 30+ years of cynical calculation, it's time to remind ourselves of all the good in the world, how we can make a difference and how through the privilege of history we can go beyond our previous limitations and make a more just world. The alt right has power at all because people are now so insincere about believing in ANYTHING at all that they need to stick it to normies to prove they can out do the cynicism of the boomers and gen-x. All that lays in that direction is fear oppression and despair. Obama touched a nerve with this in his campaign mode but failed to put down groundwork for future hope, arguably because of the continued cynicism of his own party and/or GOP obstruction. But we can start solving this right now We need things to believe in and values beyond being able to play video games while in a dead end job. We can do so much more. We can make America greater than it is.
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Sep 13, 2017 19:04
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My only thought on the matter, relating to Bernies healthcare plan is that the way this is supposed to work is that we say that's great Bernie I agree with the general premise, but can we amend it to do this for this reason? This is good, it's engaging with ideas for policy. If Hillary Clinton wants to propose a bill I'll give it a look in deterrence to her prominence and career as public servant but I don't see that yet. We need ideas, not people to believe in.
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Sep 13, 2017 20:18
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Condiv posted:is it ok to discuss keith ellison in this thread? cause i love him very much I rate this statement as ideologically acceptable.
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Sep 13, 2017 20:27
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Trabisnikof posted:I thought emails would be the butter Marzipan
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Sep 13, 2017 20:29
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:To the extent that understanding her reactions remains important, sure. I agree with all this. This is no longer about Hillary Clinton, nor should it be. It's about embracing reality. Here's a fine way to test the value of the book FROM her, does it in any way, address white nationalism? Honestly asking.
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Sep 13, 2017 20:54
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Xae posted:A party is required in our system of government. Like America itself however I have no intrinsic loyalty that defies reason to the Democratic Party. The fund raising is going bottom down right now for a reason.
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Sep 13, 2017 21:00
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