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bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
That's not so much about the military leaders being children, though Trump most definitely is, as much as the acquisition process being a stupendous cluster gently caress.

Google The Pentagon Wars, think it's even available on YouTube, and cry a little about it not being nearly as fictitious as you think.

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bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Bro Dad posted:

I don't see his endgame here.

Because you're thinking about an end game. That is a mistake in Trumplandia. There is no end game. Donnie has an...interesting history with regards to the NFL that involved money and ego. It did not work out well for him in the end. This is lashing out at enemies to settle old scores and soothe an ego wounded years ago with bonus points for being able to criticize black athletes.

There is no plan beyond that. He was hurt, he wants to hurt.

That it is hideously short sighted and destructive to himself and those around him/in his party is not even meaningless because meaningless implies he comprehend it and attaches no meaning. It never even enters what passes for his dementia-riddled thought process to be undestood.

He was hurt, he wants to hurt.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Hey so how about those US politics in this here USPOL thread? Like the politics that are currently skull loving Puerto Rico, the mango madman that's talking about Puerto Rico's debt when he can finally get done Twitter-making GBS threads about football, and the truly shocking humanitarian crisis that's brewing with US citizens? Cause that's definitely a thing right now.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

The Muppets On PCP posted:

lol no. remember how quickly the war machine spun up when trump bombed that empty airstrip outside homs?

I'm genuinely unsure why that hasn't happened again. And again, and again. It just seemed like an extremely Trumpy thing to do and when it happened I was sure it would keep happening.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

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Majorian posted:

Yikes...that's usually something you don't want to blurt out.

Because in a usual timeline there's consequences for blurting it out.

What negative effects will ICE suffer from having done so?

What positive effects will ICE enjoy from having done so?

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Cerebral Bore posted:

minority..........vote

Found the first problem with your idea. There's a whole lotta systems that are really good at making that not happen.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Mustached Demon posted:

Lobbyists write laws when the Congresspersons don't know how.

Pretty generous interpretation of our current political environment. Good on you for staying optimistic.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

MizPiz posted:

Take a look at the US tax code and tell me having lawyers write the laws is a good idea.

I would say that the tax code is more a result of lobbyists, dark money, 1%-er greed and corporate interests over country interests than lawyers. Getting mad at lawyers in this case is getting mad at the knife of the guy stabbing you.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Chilichimp posted:

"Lone Wolf" is just a designation for a single person committing a mass shooting, it doesn't say anything about their motives by itself.

I mean yeah, in a textual definition. It's taken on a rather...specific...subtextual meaning in the cases of mass shootings thanks to right wing media bubbles.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

twodot posted:

We can talk about real issues, if that's what this forum wants!

I...may have some bad news for you about this forum and the country at large right about now.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Main Paineframe posted:

What's with the double standard?

I think you'll find that the answer is very simple in America. You could even say it's black (/brown) and white.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Neurolimal posted:

I mean, more humane to painlessly kill bambi's mom with guns than for her to slowly starve to death from overpopulation

Unless we're willing to pull up stakes and do everything in our power to return wildlife to it's pre-human balance of predators taking care of deer it's more than just the humane way to manage population. It's truly a necessity.

Yeah yeah bambi's cute, whatever. Real deer with unmanaged populations are an ecological disaster. They're not called hoofed rats for the fun of it. They absolutely will over populate and destroy things around them if unmanaged.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Can we just get a flow chart or a spread sheet or something that covers the back and forth on gun control every time we have a mass shooting? I really think that's doable, it's so routine and predictable at this point. If automation is going to destroy society the least it can do is condense the poo poo posting down to something more easily ignored.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
State's rights was born a racist dog whistle, and lives on as a racist dog whistle with a side order of "how can we skull gently caress the poors harder with Delaware?"

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

A completely unsurprising result when one of only two realistically possible political parties goes completely ape-poo poo insane, starts openly supporting white supremacist/nazi organizations and wants to force it's citizenry into bankruptcy, or death, or bankruptcy and then death to give a few more points to it's donor class stock portfolios.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
What happens to those spending numbers when you add in the hideous amount of free, nation wide air time Trump got by playing the stupid loving media like a goddam fiddle?

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
I'm visiting Florida for work and all I can say is gently caress this place I hope it drowns. Sorry Florigoons, take one for the team.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Everyone championing the outcome of the process used to take over the Republican party and force them to lurch far, far right into looney-tunes-ville needs to be able to do the legwork of showing who the equivalent leftist hardcore ideologue billionaires willing to throw $FUCK_YOU money at establishing a completely alternate political apparatus and media ecology would be.

This is America after all. If the financial elites don't want it, it's not going to happen.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

gowb posted:

I'm not trying to tell anyone what is good for them, I'm just objecting to the notion that not voting for democrats is the same as condemning transfolk to death.

And if you're talking about the transgender ban in the military, I'm sorry but I lack sympathy for anyone who signs their life away to the imperial war machine, transgender or not. I don't think this is an unreasonable position to hold (on a forum of avowed leftists anyway)

Continuing in the vein of not telling others what is good for them, can you at least agree to criticize the system and not the people that enlist into it? Cause for people born on the lovely side of capitalism the steady paycheck and opportunity to get a paid scholarship is one of the very, very few methods up the social ladder that hasn't been kicked out from behind those who have either already climbed up it or, more likely, were born never even seeing the bottom of it.

I'm all for criticisms of the system as it exists because it's pretty loving terrible all around but let's not poo poo on the people who were left with few to no other choices by that system and did what they had to.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Chilichimp posted:

Hot take, guys, but Trump making it a campaign promise to have Bergdahl executed and that resulting in Bergdahl getting off with time served isn't a reason to attack people in the military for being upset that he got off with time served.

~Trump~ hosed that up for them, so feel free to point that out.

You're optimism about human nature is impressive. The redhat brigade isn't blaming the Anger Mango because of his actions. They're calling for the murder of both Berghdal and the commie pinko liberal traitor judge that let him go because it hurts 'real America'.

It's being used as a rally point for the cult of personality to further incite distrust against anything that does not portray absolute, servile obedience to Chief Pussy Grabber. Like the law.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Chilichimp posted:

Dude, -gently caress- the redhat brigade. The Venn diagram of dipshits calling for blood and veterans/service members isn't a single circle, and one is not contained within the other.

Yeah I'm willing to set aside the vet/service member group, they're not what concerns me in this situation. It's Two Scoops whipping his cult of personality into a froth/violence and painting "the judges" as corrupt and anti-Trump, therefore anti-American, because only him and his followers are 'real America'. It's one more whack at the foundational institutions of the country because his demented, swiss cheese brain knows he can lie and distort details (like this being part of the UCMJ proceedings and having nothing to do with the judges he's been railing against for years) and get away with it in his cult.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Shbobdb posted:

If you are getting paid to occupy a foreign country and kill people, then you aren't doing ok. Something is very loving wrong with you.

Or you started life on the poo poo end of the capitalist hellscape that is this country and have no possibility of a steady paying job with food, housing and medical care included that also happens to give you a full scholarship when you get out.

But sure let's just call them all baby murders and spit on them. It's a fine American tradition after all, worked out great last time around.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

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botany posted:

last time the US really questioned the "worship the troops" paradigm it got you out of vietnam.

There is some middle ground between "troops are not omniscient fountains of wisdom with 100% correct opinions in all times and places" and "they're all baby murders, spit on them". You don't have to venerate every single veteran ever, in any and all situations to understand and sympathize with our hyper capitalist society making the benefits offered by joining up really, really loving attractive to people on the poo poo end of that approach.

"Hate the game, not the player" as it were.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Shutting down the government, playing brinksmanship with the full faith and credit of the union, vowing from day one not to cooperate on anything and ignoring their constitutional duty to appoint a SCOTUS nominee do, however, make the GOP obstructionist and no longer in the realm of "loyal opposition".

So gently caress this "both-sides" narrative.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
College is a pretty good summary of "The American Dream" for anyone not born into wealth right now. Betting your entire life on a good outcome, good markets and a good degree field all lining up just right years from now to allow you to climb the social ladder. Get anything wrong and hooray crushing debt with no prospects of improving your situation.

Feeling lucky with your entire future?

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
I think the line from loving over net neutrality to stealing elections is a long, tenuous and tortured one. Dismantling net neutrality is all about letting telecom megacorporations get their return on investment for shoveling money into politicians. It's not the GOP trying to subvert democracy.

Granted, they're doing that in a lot of ways I just don't think this is one of them.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Stereotype posted:

We should really be talking about taxes because Republicans are about to set the stage for dismantling the federal government entirely.

What's there to talk about besides doom and gloom? Republicans were always going to pass a tax bill. The entire health care black eye they put themselves through was from day one about freeing up more money for this tax bill.

The mega donors want it, it's going to happen.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
So this is where the country is huh? Scribble poo poo in crayon on a sheet of paper and call it fiscal policy for the nation. Carve out exceptions for one specific university in the entire nation then yell at the other team about picking winners and losers. Pass poo poo in the dead of the night then yell about the other guys, well, passing poo poo in the dead of the night after multiple years of the amendment process.

Going to look into citizenship for other nations. gently caress this dump. There's no salvageable core left in the Democrat party to fight this poo poo.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Why shouldn't they be Saturday morning cartoon villains? They're rewarded by the only people they care about, their mega donors, for doing so and the hardcore Trumpian base is proving that's better than loving children to them.

Edit: nope, not gonna dog tax Google image search that one.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

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Nevvy Z posted:

One loving day a month

These absolute fuckers.

Welcome to the Republican victory strategy, it's really effective.

Oh I'm sorry were you optimistic about 2020 and beyond? Yeah don't do that.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
gently caress me sideways those voting numbers are insane. Every person in Alabama should find a black woman and thank them for saving Alabama from itself.

Hope this lesson penetrates the adamantium skulls of DNC dumb shits. Stop chasing the goddamn centrist voters and pay attention to your base holy poo poo already.

Also maybe not abandon the infrastructure that got you a win this time? Passing through town once every four years for a photo op and not even acknowledging the places exist any other times is some weapons-grade-dumb consultancy bullshit.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Eagerly anticipating the end results of some Republican think tank running with the idea that the party with the Pussy-Grabber-In-Chief gives no fucks about, or in some cases actively encouages, sexual harassment and assault while Democrats will call for resignation.

#MeToo should be a redeeming moment for the country, the start of a lifelong process of reworking social dynamics to eliminate toxic masculinity. Instead I'm afraid it will be hijacked by soulless political ghouls that will do anything to remain in power.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Obama was a real ray of hope for the country and I'm not against him having won.

Still no excuse for bank bailouts coupled with the completely repulsive DoJ non-response.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
"Republicans just worked together to pass this gigantic corporate wealth-care tax bill with absolutely no form of Democrat help at any step of the way. Now they want to blame Democrats because they can't vote to keep the government running or save DACA and CHIP?"

This poo poo is not hard...if you actually want to fight for it.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

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socialsecurity posted:

These people think Trump is a genius saint who champions moral values, the PR battle is lost.

You're never going to convince a Trumper that Democrats did anything except rape children in the basement of a pizza parlor. Democrats can, however, begin the process of rebuilding faith in such things as 'We will actually fight for someone besides our corporate mega-donors'.

That's kind of a long process at this point and they should maybe get started on it sooner rather than later.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Heavily implying that you'd like to go murder people who vote for your political opponents is cool and good and not at all psychotic.

Self defense isn't really all that psychotic though?

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
On the other hand; all of recorded history. People in the position that the 1% occupy today have some pretty strong indicators that they won't ever give up that position short of giving up their heads to guillotines.

Sure you can collapse the economy and destabilize the nation to get some reforms in place that might curb their excesses. Then those people on top will instantly go back to working towards undoing those reforms to profitably destabilize the nation all over again in a few decades.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Trabisnikof posted:

I don't think you'd get more than 30s of air time for something that boring.

On a normal topic in normal times, probably.

These are, however, interesting times and (probably far more importantly) there are gently caress You Money-level organizations that will go to bat to raise the awareness of this issue.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Oprah let Jenny McCarthy go full blast antivaxxer in front of some obscene number of millions of people and just kinda nodded and smiled at her pulling the same 'truth is maybe in the middle?' bullshit that has been the staple of so many lovely social problems in the US. Anybody who responds to that antivaxxer poo poo with absolutely anything at all other than 'gently caress you god drat you loving hosed up gently caress you're dumber than gently caress' is responsible for a LOT of poo poo. Like, dead children poo poo.

I freely admit I am very, very personally angered by that specific topic so take my reaction to it how you like.

On the political side, run for governor or something first. Get some marks on your belt, prove your chops and put something out there for people to evaluate before we go full President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.

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bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Look into your closest chapter of Democratic Socialists of America. At least the one I attend is pretty straightforward about the goal of gutting the Democratic party, hollowing it out and taking it over from the inside with progressives by primarying every centrist corporate-cock sucking waste of time in the face of problems for real people.

Not gonna hold my breath for their goals of full-bore socialism but I'll work with them on the primarying process and it's actually a tangible, real-world solution to do stuff like tail-light replacement programs, kicking slumlords poo poo in with the courts and pounding the pavement/knocking on doors for candidates.

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