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Mister Adequate posted:e; lol here's me pissing all over the mod's requests Given what we know about concussions and how it destroys the mind and body of players maybe we just skip the foreplay and go back to gladiatorial blood sport? Also watching mostly minority men destroy themselves for the entertainment of the masses and the enrichment of the already rich is pretty much America.txt.
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Majorian posted:This turned out to be total horseshit actually. Booker knows perfectly well that drug safety was not an issue with that (purely symbolic bill): Read the actual text of Sanders bill. It had zero safety provisions and only required that the drugs be routed through Canada. They could have been source from anywhere and they didn't have to meet any saftey criteria. Sanders wrote a poo poo bill.
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Sep 11, 2017 20:17
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Majorian posted:
Stop using secondary sources when you can get the primary source.
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Sep 11, 2017 20:42
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Jaxyon posted:That's sorta accurate...more accurate would be that the financial industry caused it and house flippers were a symptom. Blaming the financial industry is convenient but misses the whole story. The system failed because of fuckups at every step of the system. From the zoning to the builders to the homebuyers to the mortgage brokers to the originators of the loan to the investment bankers who created MBS to the regulators who where asleep at the wheel. All of them failed. Cities only zoned for single family houses. Builders only built luxury homes. Homebuyers bought too much and research the financing too little. Mortgage brokers lied and manipulated people. The bankers drank their own KoolAid. Regulators were completely unable to keep up and more interested in their own post government careers. If any single group had been functional instead of dysfunctional the collapses wouldn't have happened. Majorian posted:I have. What point are you trying to make, that this amendment would actually have been binding, and that it was therefore very important for Booker to help defeat? Because I hate to tell you, but that's not the case at all. It was baby's first power play from Sanders. He left out key wording from the Amendment to poison pill it. It was a loyalty test. Xae fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Sep 11, 2017 |
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Sep 11, 2017 20:51
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Majorian posted:Bullshit, if that were the case, more Democrats (particularly centrists) would have voted against it. Again, it was a non-binding amendment, so there was really nothing to poison pill. It wasn't designed to pass. It was designed to fail so people like you would get pissy and enraged.
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Sep 11, 2017 21:01
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Spun Dog posted:The common talking point at the time was that the market will only ever go up from here, so you can't possibly lose money. It's how they made their bonuses. Correct. The assumption was that even if you have to report in a few years the property will have increased in value so much that you'll just resell and make money.
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Sep 11, 2017 21:06
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Paracaidas posted:https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/907426306886979584  That is a brutal set of questions. He is asking them to provide the rope that the civil courts will use to hang them.
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Sep 12, 2017 04:23
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No Butt Stuff posted:It astounds me when people are unwilling to pay a 2-5% tax on their income to have the healthcare of everyone in the nation guaranteed. Because the tax would be much higher than 2-5%. You're already paying 2.9% for Medicare alone if you count payroll and income tax. Half that if you ignore payroll tax. Healthcare if about 15% of the economy. If you expect the government to be the only one paying for it you should expect them to tax your income about that rate. There would be some savings, but there would also be an increased demand with a single payer system. To what extend they would offset is anyone's guess. But expect that the tax would be in the neighborhood of 15%.
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Sep 13, 2017 15:31
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No Butt Stuff posted:Right, but you would expect that companies would be shouldering a portion of that tax just like they currently do with FICA. Payroll taxes are dumb and should be done away with. They just hide the cost of the program. It is still part of the cost of employing someone and employers just take it out of your salary anyway. Skip the accounting bullshit and just take it normally. Also: drat, your plan is expensive. Like 3x more than mine. RuanGacho posted:Imagine the effect on the remaining companies if Equifax was ended. At this point in the history of the Interwebs if you are a financial company running unpatched servers exposed to the internet your company is criminally negligent.
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Sep 13, 2017 15:47
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Main Paineframe posted:The media has always been a factor, and understanding how it works has swung presidential elections before. For all his many faults, Trump understood the media, and he obliged them with plenty of rating-grabbing showmanship. He also bribed them. And accordingly received absolutely fawning media coverage. The American news media needs to be torn down and rebuilt. It is a sycophantic grotesque whose only purpose is to turn access to power into eyeballs for advertisements.
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Sep 13, 2017 17:53
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And yet somehow every "paranoid about the GUBBERMENT" type will be strangely silent about this. karthun posted:You can't have single payer hybridized with private insurance. Single payer healthcare means that there is one single payer for all heath care. There are no copays, deductibles, coinsurance, premiums or any form of cost sharing. If implemented on a Federal level there can be no State or Local expenditures on health care. if on a State level there can be no Federal expenditures, this is why there is demands to block grant Medicare in the California Single Payer bill. The Minnesota single payer bill goes further and demands VA block grants and Federal divestiture of all VHA facilities in Minnesota. No one really cares how this is going to work with Snowbirds or VISN 23 vets that live outside of Minnesota but receive their care at the Minneapolis or Duluth VA hospitals. Thankfully we don't have a large military population or who knows how MHS would be handled. Most "single payer" countries have nominal bills for services. Many of them also have supplemental insurance from private payers for niceties like cosmetic surgery, private rooms, etc. I don't think there is any country in the world where 100% of all medical services are paid for by the government. Xae fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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Sep 13, 2017 18:15
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botany posted:i've also never seen a novel point in this eternal debate. people are posting the same old things at each other, loudly, without changing anybody's mind. it's not so much that we can't handle criticism of HRC, it's more that these discussions are tiresome as poo poo and don't lead anywhere, ever.
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Sep 13, 2017 19:44
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SulphagneSocialist posted:I think it speaks to the fact that she is more interested in the project of the Democratic Party and not necessarily the ideological stances or leftist policy goals lots of voters have. Bernie turned down joining the party for 30+ years. He then joined the party, ran for leadership on a platform of making GBS threads on the party, lost then left the party. Is it really surprised that the party is a bit... standoffish? Look at the actions, he is that guy from any organization. He says hes a super badass, joins the group, poo poo all over it then quits. When Sanders left the party after 2016 he just proved all of his critics correct. He only wanted to take from the party, not give anything back.
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Sep 13, 2017 20:44
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Maybe the party isn't the most important part of politics, in fact the party is an unfortunate side-effect of our voting system and has no value on its own. The party should be poo poo all over the unelected leaders of the party poo poo all over as well as long as they do not push for polices that help the people. A party is required in our system of government. You can dislike it all you want, but if you want to accomplish anything you need a party. Contributing is fund raising. Contributing is campaigning down ballot. Contributing is building the elected and unelected people in the party. Sanders simply isn't interested in doing any of that.
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Sep 13, 2017 20:57
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RuanGacho posted:Just to reiterate I would like to know if Hillary Clinton says anything about White Nationalism or racism in the book. The book hasn't been released yet. Only a handful of review copies are out. Right now everyone is just posting out of context quotes for clicks.
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Sep 13, 2017 21:08
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Trabisnikof posted:Why don't you care about the differences between single payer and a public option? Because being informed makes circle jerking and poo poo posting harder.
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Sep 13, 2017 21:09
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Eletriarnation posted:Pretty sure I said this on the previous page but the book came out yesterday. drat, I completely forgot it was mid September already.
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Sep 13, 2017 21:11
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The Groper posted:To be fair, if Ted Kennedy hadn't primaried Carter, we might not be having this conversation right now. Or if Reagan hadn't primaried Ford. Can we agree to blame Reagan?
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Sep 13, 2017 21:38
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Accretionist posted:Why did USPol get gassed/banned anyways? People couldn't shut the gently caress up about primary chat.
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Sep 13, 2017 21:57
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Jazerus posted:no, there is an obvious hard limit on printing and deficit spending. that would be inflation. quantitative easing exists because the federal government has refused to spend enough money to maintain a healthy currency for the last decade and so QE is a back door way to print over a trillion a year to maintain predictable inflation rates. that money could be printed exactly as it is each year and spent on social programs instead of treasury bond buybacks. QE for recapitalizing banks is different than print and spend because the money doesn't circulate as much as when it is spent. Much of the QE was to increase the reserves of the bank. Also since the Fed was printing money to buy securities that have interest the net effect of the QE is not as strong because the interest payments they receive take the money out of circulation. On a long term the net inflationary effect of QE might even be deflationary.
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Sep 13, 2017 23:02
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:lol played yourself into a corner on that one huh Russia and China can veto any action at the UN. As long as you have one of the 5 permanent members of the Security Council on your side the UN can't touch you.
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Sep 15, 2017 17:00
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BardoTheConsumer posted:I see. So it's doomsaying about a potential thing that could maybe happen if we continue to be shortsighted forever? Yes. Right now it isn't much of an issue because our economy growing strong. If debt grows at an unsustainable rate you either have to increase inflation by printing money or balance the budget at some point. The US relies on strong economic growth to make our past debt irrelevant. If growth slows long term there will be problems. The thing is that organizations that buy debt take that probability into account. So if they start thinking it is likely that the US government will start printing money they'll want higher interest rates to offset the risk of inflation. The US is rolling debt forward in 10 year notes. So every 10 years we fully cycle through the $20T or so in debt we have. Right now we pay basically nothing in interest. If the market starts demanding higher rates we can quickly find ourselves in a position where our year budget gets blown up because we have to make much larger payments to service the debt. This can lead to a cycle of hyper inflation if the government just starts printing unlimited money. This is a real risk. You can't simply print money to pay off the debt with out consequences. The real question is how far from this are we? We're probably at least a a couple of decades out at the current rates. But all of this can change. If economic growth picks up then the time line gets longer. If the economy slows and the debt markets start worrying the timeline gets shorter. The US is a insulated from this because when the debt market gets worried they buy our bonds. During the Financial Crisis in 2008 the interest rate on treasuries was negative for a while. People were willing to fork over $100.1 million for a guarantee of getting $100 million in 10 years. Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt Greece is roughly twice our ratio and are in a world of hurt. Japan is the next closest and has a "lost decade", a scenario of near 0 growth over an entire decade Xae fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Sep 17, 2017 |
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Sep 17, 2017 03:34
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PerniciousKnid posted:It's hard to see how this would be a problem, though. A growing economy makes it easier to pay off debt. A shrinking economy usually reduces rates. So you're okay in both situations. What rate would a shrinking economy reduce? Deteriorata posted:Yeah, the Fed quintupled the money supply after the 2008 recession and inflation didn't budge a bit. The financial collapse was a deflationary pressure. They explicitly printed money to counter it because deflation is extremely bad. In a normal situation quadrupling the money supply would cause severe inflation.
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Sep 17, 2017 04:11
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Unoriginal Name posted:Could you explain to me, a common man with minimal savings or intellect, why deflation is bad for me Why spend money today when it will be worth more tomorrow? Why invest money when deflation is giving you a guaranteed rate of return? The economy ends up shrinking because there is no incentive to spend. Which lowers prices. Which reduces demand. You can end up in a Deflationary Spiral It also can be thought of as additional interest on any debt you have. Your effective interest rate is Interest - Inflation If Inflation is negative then you're adding to the interest rate you pay because future money is more valuable than present money.
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Sep 17, 2017 04:20
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khy posted:I know the sheer amount of rockets, artillery, and other ordinance aimed at Seoul is massive, but if the US was to conduct an Alpha Strike could we successfully take out enough of their equipment to negate or drastically, drastically reduce the effectiveness of any reprisals? No. North Korea has more artillery pieces than we have cruise missiles. If there is a full scale war it will be bloody as gently caress and have a poo poo ton of civilian casualties.
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Sep 18, 2017 23:08
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Boon posted:You make such well articulated and supported arguments http://www.npr.org/2017/09/07/549117911/navy-officials-examine-training-procedures-after-ship-accidents The short version is that the Navy went cheap on training and tried to replace a few months of classroom, simulator and hands on training with a few CBT Modules.
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Sep 19, 2017 03:32
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mdemone posted:Fixed. Source: I'm a teacher. Around 20-25% of adults are functionally illiterate if you want to be depressed as gently caress.
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Sep 19, 2017 21:36
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Jazerus posted:very real studies. it is in freakonomics but it's by far the most solid part of the book Another good one: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/09/upshot/what-the-science-says-about-long-term-damage-from-lead.html?mcubz=1 The TL;DR is that lead fucks up your brain something fierce. Worse yet the symptoms of long term lead poisoning are basically indistinguishable from things like AD&D or just "Behavioral" problems in kids. While there hasn't been a controlled double blind study to prove it, that is mainly because it would be immoral to expose people to lead.
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Sep 19, 2017 23:10
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Taerkar posted:Nope. What is the use of intellectualism when checkmate libtard 
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Sep 20, 2017 01:11
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PhazonLink posted:Wow what the gently caress, like over the years I heard that the AF has a strange fundie bias but not anything that crazy. It is a big problem. The right wing nuts in Colorado Springs go out of their way to recruit and indoctrinate cadets at the Academy.
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Sep 20, 2017 03:42
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Why are y'all dumb enough to try to engage in conversation with someone who has openly and repeatedly called for genociding people who aren't left enough? Do you really think he is engaging in good faith? Do you think you will convince him?
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Sep 20, 2017 22:21
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RuanGacho posted:I'm wary to say "do this, don't do that" but I'm open to being convinced of the need for it, I would rather people use their frustration positively and try to come up with answers rather than just whining about problems but I'll be honest I think I am unqualified to uniformly apply a standard of quality to people's posting other than recognizing when a particular post isn't probably a helpful tone. USPOL tends to be bad hardest when people post like that's all it can be for. The thing is that primary chat turns into an all consuming leftist vs liberal slap fight. There is no debate, there is no discussion there is only screeching and screaming. Though it is with in the scope of the thread allowing it shits up the thread and prevents anything else from being discussed. Even with the semi-prohibition we have now it is still half the thread. So to me the question is: Is this thread for discussion of US politics minus primary chat or is this thread for primary chat? I don't think there will be a middle ground.
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Sep 21, 2017 16:35
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So what is the solution to gentrification? Because "stop people from moving into an area" is not a valid one for a bunch of obvious reasons.
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Sep 21, 2017 20:10
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It's funny to watch people talk about zoning and pernit reform to allow for more density then poo poo on "neo liberals" when zoning reform to allow for higher denisty development is a major part if neo liberalism.
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Sep 21, 2017 20:42
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Taerkar posted:There was a lot of dismissal of "Southern Democrats" on these forums after Super Tuesday. The funny part was people saying their votes should count for less than others.
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Sep 22, 2017 15:09
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Charter schools are just Union Busting by any other name. When you look at the studies that adjust for income, learning disabilities and parental involvement they under performing public schools whole costing more. They are also becoming a huge target for fraud and embezzlement.
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Sep 22, 2017 16:05
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Koalas March posted:I think part of the problem is that there are some racists in the leftist movement and we aren't seeing many white leftists denouncing them. When this pointed out a lot of white leftists get defensive instead of "Yeah gently caress them, they have no place in our movement". I think everyone here taking concerns seriously and speaking truth to power when it comes to calling out people in their own party would go a hell of a long way when it comes to recruiting more minorities under our umbrella. Agreed, I remember a poo poo load of dog whistle racism about "Southern" Democrats. And true to "political as a team sport" people turning a blind eye to it coming from their side. But now it didn't happen? It is really interesting to watch people try to rewrite history and pretend that something that drat near ripped this forum apart never happened.
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Sep 22, 2017 16:17
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boner confessor posted:the important thing to remember is that no matter what any specfic goon claims, two things are always true
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Sep 22, 2017 16:23
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A huge problem with schooling in the US is that the biggest problem, local control, is also it's most popular thing. Parents like having control, they won't give it up with out a fight.
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I guess it is time to add centrism to the list of words that mean "thing or person I don't like".
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