Which teams have zero dispute over their best player?

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Black Sunshine: Apr 4, 2004; LEFT 4 DEAD IS A LOT LIKE FOOTBALL - I JERK OFF TO BOTH

Not even gonna attempt to figure out the best Raider ever. Just off the top of my head I could make solid arguments for at least 10 players.

# ? Sep 28, 2017 02:44

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Eifert Posting: Apr 1, 2007; Most of the time he catches it every time.; Grimey Drawer

Black Sunshine posted:

Not even gonna attempt to figure out the best Raider ever. Just off the top of my head I could make solid arguments for at least 10 players.

Agreed. I thought about Bo Jackson but there's just too much competition.

# ? Sep 28, 2017 03:27

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

If you go by Career AV (I wouldn't, but for the sake of argument), it's Jim Otto (154) just ahead of Gene Upshaw (151) and Tim Brown (143).

The funniest list I've found so far looking at teams that way has to be the Buccaneers:

194 - Derrick Brooks '95-'08
151 - Ronde Barber '97-'12
127 - Warren Sapp '95-'03
90 - John Lynch '93-'03

Top 4 players all at the same time, all on the same side of the ball.

Bills are the same (surprised about OJ)

196 - Bruce Smith '85-'99
136 - Thurman Thomas '88-'99
132 - Jim Kelly '86-96
132 - Andre Reed '85-'99

# ? Sep 28, 2017 03:34

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Kalli posted:

If you go by Career AV (I wouldn't, but for the sake of argument), it's Jim Otto (154) just ahead of Gene Upshaw (151) and Tim Brown (143).

The funniest list I've found so far looking at teams that way has to be the Buccaneers:

194 - Derrick Brooks '95-'08
151 - Ronde Barber '97-'12
127 - Warren Sapp '95-'03
90 - John Lynch '93-'03

Top 4 players all at the same time, all on the same side of the ball.

Bills are the same (surprised about OJ)

196 - Bruce Smith '85-'99
136 - Thurman Thomas '88-'99
132 - Jim Kelly '86-96
132 - Andre Reed '85-'99

Huh, according to that, Rivers and Seau are tied for first for the Chargers

# ? Sep 28, 2017 03:38

Dilber: Mar 27, 2007; TFLC
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My buddy knows Derrick Brooks. He's apparently a super nice and cool dude.

# ? Sep 28, 2017 03:48

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

Let's see if we can build a team out of the 32 top players by AV for each team

QB - Tom Brady, Dan Marino, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning, John Elway, Brett Favre, Jim Hart, Drew Brees
RB - Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders
RB - Walter Payton
WR - Jerry Rice, Andre Johnson, Steve Smith,
WR - Jimmy Smith, Steve Largent, Don Maynard
TE

LT - Anthony Munoz
LG - Bruce Matthews
C - Jim Otto
RG - Will Shields
RT - Mike Kenn

DE - Bruce Smith , Carl Eller
DT - Merlin Olsen
DE - Reggie White

LB - Derrick Brooks, Junior Seau
LB - Lawrence Taylor
LB - Ray Lewis
LB - Clay Matthews

CB - Darrell Green
CB
S
S

Okay, so we have a few too many quarterbacks, and a little problem in the secondary, but it's okay because the opposing team would die immediately to our 4-5 defense.

I'd say play Elway at TE, but come the gently caress on, we're totally wishboning this offense with Barry / Emmitt / Walter.

# ? Sep 28, 2017 03:55

Grittybeard: Mar 29, 2010; Bad, very bad!

Elway and...maybe Jimmy Smith or one of the other receivers will have to play corner/safety in a 46 defense?

# ? Sep 28, 2017 04:00

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

Grittybeard posted:

Elway and...maybe Jimmy Smith or one of the other receivers will have to play corner/safety in a 46 defense?

Yeah, the Jets / Steelers / Cardinals / Seahawks really hosed us by not giving us Revis / any defensive player / literally anyone else / Earl Thomas here.

# ? Sep 28, 2017 04:02

barnold: Dec 16, 2011; what do u do when yuo're born to play fps? guess there's nothing left to do but play fps. boom headshot

who could forget the greatest mastermind in Patriots history

# ? Sep 28, 2017 05:56

Chichevache: Feb 17, 2010; One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

Peachfart posted:

Its Steve Largent and Warren Moon.

Jerry Rice is the second best receiver in Seahawks history, Owens is third. :laugh:

# ? Sep 28, 2017 07:02

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Chichevache posted:

Its Steve Largent and Warren Moon.

Jerry Rice is the second best receiver in Seahawks history, Owens is third.

It's big walt and it's not even close

# ? Sep 28, 2017 07:03

marioinblack: Sep 21, 2007; Number 1 Bullshit

Bucs fans of my era will say Derrick Brooks. Bucs fans of my dad's era will say Lee Roy Selmon. It's really those two above the rest.

# ? Sep 28, 2017 14:05

Chichevache: Feb 17, 2010; One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

a neat cape posted:

It's big walt and it's not even close

Who?

# ? Sep 28, 2017 14:35

Cash Monet: Apr 5, 2009

If we're including old man era Sammy Baugh was an awesome old timey player.

Modern era for the Skins would be Darrell Green. 19 straight seasons with an interception.

# ? Sep 28, 2017 14:39

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

I wanna make a devil's advocate argument for Joe Montana over Jerry Rice but I just can't.

# ? Sep 28, 2017 15:04

Elephanthead: Sep 11, 2008; Toilet Rascal

Receivers just have to play cover on defense since we will be rushing the ball every down. I don't know what we do with all the QBs. Special teams I guess.

# ? Sep 28, 2017 15:29

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

I think Romo was the best QB to ever play for Dallas and the only competition there is Staubach.

Witten and Novacek are pretty much tied for TE. Ditka was a beast back in the day, but I don't think he's up to the level of Jay or Jason especially since he only played a couple of seasons with Dallas.

WR is Irvin and I can't even think of anyone else close. Should have been Moss, but Jerry is a moron.

RB Emmitt and no one else even near him.

FB Moose is an easy choice.

On the defensive side of the ball there's Deion in the secondary with Ware and Charles Haley for LBs, but I'm not really able to pick any other positions off the top of my head.

# ? Sep 28, 2017 15:47

General Dog: Apr 26, 2008; Everybody's working for the weekend

If we're talking about where they stand at their position in history, there's a good case to be made that Larry Allen is the greatest Cowboy of all time.

# ? Sep 28, 2017 16:04

CyberPingu: Sep 15, 2013; If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

Mr. Nice! posted:

I think Romo was the best QB to ever play for Dallas and the only competition there is Staubach.

Witten and Novacek are pretty much tied for TE. Ditka was a beast back in the day, but I don't think he's up to the level of Jay or Jason especially since he only played a couple of seasons with Dallas.

WR is Irvin and I can't even think of anyone else close. Should have been Moss, but Jerry is a moron.

RB Emmitt and no one else even near him.

FB Moose is an easy choice.

On the defensive side of the ball there's Deion in the secondary with Ware and Charles Haley for LBs, but I'm not really able to pick any other positions off the top of my head.

Its a drat shame that Lee cant really remain healthy because hes up there with great LBs when hes playing

# ? Sep 28, 2017 16:20

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

General Dog posted:

If we're talking about where they stand at their position in history, there's a good case to be made that Larry Allen is the greatest Cowboy of all time.

gently caress I can't believe I forgot about Larry Allen. Yeah he's one of the best guards in NFL history and good chance you're right about him being the so far above everyone else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwbKTzqsq9s

CyberPingu posted:

Its a drat shame that Lee cant really remain healthy because hes up there with great LBs when hes playing

Lee is absolutely an incredible MLB and runs the defense for sure. He's also a moron and gets himself hurt a lot.

# ? Sep 28, 2017 16:23

nah: Mar 16, 2009

marioinblack posted:

Bucs fans of my era will say Derrick Brooks. Bucs fans of my dad's era will say Lee Roy Selmon. It's really those two above the rest.

Fat white guys of all eras will say Mike Alstott

# ? Sep 28, 2017 18:35

JIZZ DENOUEMENT: Oct 3, 2012; STRIKE!

Chichevache posted:

Who?

I hate you so much

Almost as much as I love Walter Jones!!!

# ? Sep 28, 2017 18:38

sean10mm: Jun 29, 2005; It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Mr. Nice! posted:

I think Romo was the best QB to ever play for Dallas and the only competition there is Staubach.

Witten and Novacek are pretty much tied for TE. Ditka was a beast back in the day, but I don't think he's up to the level of Jay or Jason especially since he only played a couple of seasons with Dallas.

WR is Irvin and I can't even think of anyone else close. Should have been Moss, but Jerry is a moron.

RB Emmitt and no one else even near him.

FB Moose is an easy choice.

On the defensive side of the ball there's Deion in the secondary with Ware and Charles Haley for LBs, but I'm not really able to pick any other positions off the top of my head.

If you adjust stats for era then Staubach was IMO pretty clearly the greatest Cowboys QB.

Staubach:

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Year    Age  Tm Pos No.   G  GS   QBrec  Att Y/A+ NY/A+ AY/A+ ANY/A+ Cmp%+ TD%+ Int%+ Sack%+ Rate+
1970     28 DAL  qb  12   8   3   2-1-0   82   97    74    74     66   107   80    62     40    76
1971*    29 DAL  QB  12  13  10  10-0-0  211  139   128   147    139   125  128   132     90   144
1973     31 DAL  QB  12  14  14  10-4-0  286  136   119   131    121   133  135   100     76   133
1974     32 DAL  QB  12  14  14   8-6-0  360  109   103   108    105   101   91   110     84   103
1975*    33 DAL  QB  12  13  13   9-4-0  348  116   115   114    114   112  107   105     95   112
1976*    34 DAL  QB  12  14  14  11-3-0  369  112   115   118    120   112   97   123    108   116
1977*    35 DAL  QB  12  14  14  12-2-0  361  111   113   123    124   117  110   130    105   125
1978*    36 DAL  QB  12  15  15  11-4-0  413  123   123   128    129   110  124   115    105   126
1979*    37 DAL  QB  12  16  16  11-5-0  461  120   120   133    133   111  121   131    101   132
Career                  131 114 85-29-0                                                       2958

Aikman:

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Year    Age  Tm Pos No.   G  GS   QBrec  Att Y/A+ NY/A+ AY/A+ ANY/A+ Cmp%+ TD%+ Int%+ Sack%+ Rate+
1989     23 DAL  QB   8  11  11  0-11-0  293   78    82    70     72    91   88    68    106    74
1990     24 DAL  QB   8  15  15   7-8-0  399   88    84    83     81   101   86    87     88    86
1991*    25 DAL  QB   8  12  12   7-5-0  363  114   109   112    109   130   90   113     95   114
1992*    26 DAL  QB   8  16  16  13-3-0  473  109   115   113    117   120  114   108    115   118
1993*    27 DAL  QB   8  14  14  11-3-0  392  122   122   127    126   133  101   128    104   129
1994*    28 DAL  QB   8  14  14  10-4-0  361  114   121   108    113   120   98    97    117   109
1995*    29 DAL  QB   8  16  16  12-4-0  432  122   130   124    129   123   97   126    120   122
1996*    30 DAL  QB   8  15  15  10-5-0  465  100   109    99    104   124   83   106    118   103
1997     31 DAL  QB   8  16  16  6-10-0  518   92    93    99    100    98   97   113    106   101
1998     32 DAL  QB   8  11  11   7-4-0  315  111   122   115    122   111   98   123    126   113
1999     33 DAL  QB   8  14  14   7-7-0  442   99   105   102    105   108   98   108    117   104
2000     34 DAL  qb   8  11  11   4-7-0  262   90    95    78     82   106   85    68    114    81
Career                  165 165 94-71-0                                                       4715

Romo:

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Year    Age  Tm Pos No.   G  GS   QBrec  Att Y/A+ NY/A+ AY/A+ ANY/A+ Cmp%+ TD%+ Int%+ Sack%+ Rate+
2006*    26 DAL  QB   9  16  10   6-4-0  337  135   131   123    122   117  119    88    104   119
2007*    27 DAL  QB   9  16  16  13-3-0  520  125   124   121    121   113  133    90    111   121
2008     28 DAL  QB   9  13  13   8-5-0  450  114   116   112    114   101  119    98    112   110
2009*    29 DAL  QB   9  16  16  11-5-0  550  122   121   123    122   107  108   118    101   117
2010     30 DAL  qb   9   6   6   1-5-0  213  108   115   106    110   128  110    95    123   112
2011     31 DAL  QB   9  16  16   8-8-0  522  119   116   122    120   120  119   115     98   123
2012     32 DAL  QB   9  16  16   8-8-0  648  109   110   105    106   117  100    97    109   106
2013     33 DAL  QB   9  15  15   8-7-0  535  100    99   109    108   109  116   113    102   113
2014*    34 DAL  QB   9  15  15  12-3-0  435  131   126   131    128   130  138   108    101   134
2015     35 DAL  qb   9   4   4   3-1-0  121  102   107    78     82   123   96    38    111    85
Career                  156 127 78-49-0                                                       4335

# ? Sep 28, 2017 19:22

Randaconda: Jul 3, 2014; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Fred Taylor or Jimmy Smith for the Jags.

Both have borderline HoF numbers. (Jimmy has better numbers than some WRs already in, actually)

# ? Sep 28, 2017 22:04

Randaconda: Jul 3, 2014; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Dilber posted:

My buddy knows Derrick Brooks. He's apparently a super nice and cool dude.

Derrick Brooks was fun to watch in college

# ? Sep 28, 2017 22:05

Randaconda: Jul 3, 2014; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Mr. Nice! posted:

gently caress I can't believe I forgot about Larry Allen. Yeah he's one of the best guards in NFL history and good chance you're right about him being the so far above everyone else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwbKTzqsq9s

Lee is absolutely an incredible MLB and runs the defense for sure. He's also a moron and gets himself hurt a lot.

John Randle on trying to play against Larry Allen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX-UIj1KHVw

# ? Sep 28, 2017 22:13

BrownThunder: Oct 26, 2005; EXTEND BEN!
Forever and ever and ever

It's Hall of Fame RB, Jerome Bettis

# ? Sep 28, 2017 23:50

Metapod: Mar 18, 2012

BrownThunder posted:

It's Hall of Fame QB, Landry Jones

# ? Sep 28, 2017 23:51

DaFrugalGamer: Aug 6, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

Seahawks was Shaun Alexander, top 3 RB of all time

# ? Sep 28, 2017 23:51

Randaconda: Jul 3, 2014; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

DaFrugalGamer posted:

Seahawks was Shaun Alexander, top 3 RB of all time

What?

Smith, Sanders, Brown and Sweetness were all better, wtf

# ? Sep 28, 2017 23:55

Pron on VHS: Nov 14, 2005; Blood Clots
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# ? Sep 28, 2017 23:58

DaFrugalGamer: Aug 6, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

Randaconda posted:

What?

Smith, Sanders, Brown and Sweetness were all better, wtf

Those old guys, what you don't realize is it was easier to run, and they didn't come close to Shaun Alexanders touch downs

# ? Sep 29, 2017 00:03

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

DaFrugalGamer posted:

Those old guys, what you don't realize is it was easier to run, and they didn't come close to Shaun Alexanders touch downs

Uh, Emmitt is #2 only to Jerry Rice.

Edit, for some reason I was thinking LdT. Alexander is way down the list at 14 tied with Antonio Gates behind both Walter Payton and Jim Brown.

Alexander does have more TDs than noted quitter Barry Sanders, though.

Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Sep 29, 2017

# ? Sep 29, 2017 00:22

Evrart Claire: Jan 11, 2008

The 90s was the hardest era to run in, and Alexander probably isn't even top 10.

# ? Sep 29, 2017 00:30

DaFrugalGamer: Aug 6, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

Mr. Nice! posted:

Uh, Emmitt is #2 only to Jerry Rice.

Edit, for some reason I was thinking LdT. Alexander is way down the list at 14 tied with Antonio Gates behind both Walter Payton and Jim Brown.

Alexander does have more TDs than noted quitter Barry Sanders, though.

Touchdowns in one season

# ? Sep 29, 2017 00:31

DaFrugalGamer: Aug 6, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

Shaun is the first running back in NFL history to�record�15 or more touchdowns in five consecutive seasons.

# ? Sep 29, 2017 00:38

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DaFrugalGamer posted:

Touchdowns in one season

Tomlinson had more with a worse line and a worse quarterback.

# ? Sep 29, 2017 00:50

a neat cape: Feb 22, 2007; Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

DaFrugalGamer posted:

Shaun is the first running back in NFL history to�record�15 or more touchdowns in five consecutive seasons.

Tomlinson had six straight.

# ? Sep 29, 2017 00:52

3 DONG HORSE: May 22, 2008; I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Eifert Posting posted:

Horses can't play football.

You say that but did you know the Broncos went to 5 super bowls and won two with a horse at quarterback? Elway is the real life inspiration for Air Bud!

# ? Sep 29, 2017 01:07

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I am hella PEEVED: Oct 25, 2007; Welcome to Earth.

Yodzilla posted:

I was going to argue Dawkins or comedy option but Reggie White is probably the right answer. It still bums me out how sour he was on the Eagles at the end and that he died so young.

Someone older might say Bednarik but I have zero insight into him other than watching highlight reels.

I feel like ~~Randall Cunningham~~ QB Eagles should be in the conversation, but yea, Reggie White or Dawkins are the only two I'd probably say. And Reggie White came to mind first.

# ? Sep 29, 2017 02:15

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