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Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

MoaM posted:

refrain from the ad-hominem, I say.

hear hear!

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Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

Condiv posted:

assuming this is real, what the hell is the hrc doing?

i know right, these reboots are getting out of control

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

The Glumslinger posted:

https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/913466992048340992


Something, something, centrism works folks :v:

(Yes, I'm aware that Biden has huge popularity because lots of people think Onion Joe Biden is real, I just thought this was funny)

people trust cnn more than espn??? thats a little hosed up

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

The Kingfish posted:

I'm grad student with no free time so I've just been playing Souls game non stop for the past two years.

it sounds like you have free time to me, rear end in a top hat! im not jealous or anything

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Those are some good false equivalencies you have there. It's especially rich since it was revealed today that Twitter sold 15% of it's political advertising to RT for something like 50 million dollars.

twitter offered to, but RT refused.people need to read the freakin articles

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

really though, it'd be so gratifying to see half as much anger directed at silicon valley libertarians and our loving campaign industrial complex as we direct at the dang ruskies

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

The reactions to th Franken thing are especially telling because the worry of many of the people defending him is that this poo poo is super common in DC among powerful men of both parties.

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

Especially among the journalists defending him, you know people know more than they're letting on

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

C. Everett Koop posted:

FYP. There are no good men.

yeah but its the powerful dems in DC who are the ones that self described radical feminists will go to bat for. as has been brought up a lot lately, see: gloria steinem and bill clinton in the 90s

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

yeah, this isn't even so much about Franken as it is about the fears that if dems start to act on abuse (which is undoubtedly rampant in both parties) it will put them at a structural disadvantage because the GOP will not behave in kind.

I don't think that's a good excuse, it's cynical as hell and basically ties feminism to the success of the democratic party in a really uncomfortable way that will almost certainly backfire in the long term

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

the real problem here is that franken is very much the tip of the iceberg. how many dem senators and reps have been abusing their pages and interns? probably a hella lot. they just don't have pictures of it cause they weren't in show business.

that doesn't mean they shouldn't burn for it but thats why dem politicians are getting this hypocritical treatment. its tribalism yes but its also a knowingness that this goes way way farther than what frankin did

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

i dont have a problem with the idea of mandatory investigations in these cases, if thats what we're talking about. except I'm not sure they would have any teeth, and if they did, it would probably end up being seen as a partisan thing depending on the score of how many of each party's people were found to be acting inappropriately.

also it seems like its only one of many things that can and should be done. rooting out the abuse in dc is gonna be next to impossible but that doesn't mean it's not worth trying, regardless of the short term consequences that might result in the gop's favor (but i'm not even convinced that would happen)

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

I don't think a senate investigation would have any teeth because a hella lot of senators are probably up to sexual impropriety and don't want any kind of precedent set regarding this. The ones who aren't are still complicit cause they totally know what's going on. Maybe history will prove me wrong? but I doubt it.

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

Cingulate posted:

Beethoven didn't just write one good piece of music, he won again and again and again.


I just wanna say I resent the slighting of the one hit wonders of the world. They're people too!

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB-wmOYelnM

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

with tidings from cspam
https://twitter.com/cascamike/status/1032628626531987458

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

insurance industry employees, doctors, lib 1%ers, i dunno

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

Lapua posted:

Of all those Dems who support universal health care, how many understand that America can't afford it. 22 trillion in debt, Social security going bust in 30 years, tell me where does the money come from to fund this?

if you would truly like to know more, i recommend the work of matt bruenig who has done a lot of work on this subject

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

i do think there is probably something to the fact that sanders calls himself a socialist and warren calls herself a capitalist, and those labels do reflect their worldviews in ways that might not always show up in senate votes or even proposed policy. but i might be wrong

Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

Pankaj Mishra wrote a really good critique of Coates and his views on Obama, as well as Obama himself, for the LRB: https://www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n04/pankaj-mishra/why-do-white-people-like-what-i-write

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Mia Wasikowska
Oct 7, 2006

Falstaff posted:

This was a lot to chew on, thanks for sharing the link.

its really good. i think we all kinda know that race, class and imperialism all have some pretty profound links but its rare to see it articulated so well

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