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VitalSigns posted:That feeling when you contort yourself into non-euclidean pretzel shapes to explain to those naive idealists why it's impossible, oh just impossible for the Democratic Party to do the right thing without months and months of interminable process and doubletalk until the whole thing falls out of the public eye to be forgotten, and then those damned Democrats go behind your back the very next week and do what the stupid idealists wanted. Dude, at least quote those posts instead of just shouting into the wind, Christ.
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WampaLord posted:My question (and I believe this was echoed by Jon Stewart during his Daily Show tenure) is this, though:  Moral hazardSee, if you don’t cripplingly punish people for the mistakes others make, then they’ll just keep making those mistakes and they should have known all along not to buy those houses and and and Basically the same assholes that get loving livid over the idea of taking a loan or other debt even when it’s a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Fixed that for ya. 
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Dec 20, 2017 20:12
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I’m not going to defend Manchin, but you folks should understand that the point isn’t that “people like him vote with the Dems sometimes”, it’s that if you get a Dem majority there won’t be any bullshit like that scheduled for him to even vote for. In addition to chairing the committees and having subpoena power. poo poo on him all you want, but you’re smart enough to understand this.
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Jun 16, 2018 02:53
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Condiv posted:how's that stop him from voting racistly? he'd still be a vote to block any laws addressing racism, sexism, and homophobia. and that's just in your perfect "dems block all terrible legislation from coming forward" scenario. considering dems are pushing for more blue dog dems, it becomes less likely that a majority would be enough to stop manchin and his blue dog friends from helping the republicans pass their agenda. You don’t put lovely bills in front of him to vote on, this isn’t rocket science.
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Jun 16, 2018 04:17
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Cerebral Bore posted:I'd call this adorably naive, but actually it's just stupid. You’re completely broke brained if you think a democratically controlled senate intelligence committee won’t be sending out subpoenas. Ytlaya posted:Look, part of being a good respectable liberal is always assuming good will on the part of (Democratic) politicians. They can do this because they're fortunate enough to not personally need the positive political change leftists seek. It's okay if the harmful status quo is allowed to continue, as long as they get to continue feeling like a good person who is reasonable and pragmatic. I don’t consent to being part of your political masturbation fantasies. Keep this poo poo to yourself.
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Jun 16, 2018 08:16
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Cerebral Bore posted:Tell me more about how Chuck loving Shumer wouldn't ever let a horrible-rear end bill get to a vote, why don'cha? It’s now fanboyism to point out that having a majority of democratic senators means democratic control of the schedule and the committees? There are rules against posting while high.
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Jun 16, 2018 16:44
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theCalamity posted:They’re saying that even with democratic control, it doesn’t mean that they’ll actually do anything progressive. They’ll try to compromise with the GOP to be seen as bipartisan. This isn’t a reason to oppose a democratic majority in the senate. Eliminating republican control of the legislature might not be sufficient for progressive laws to be made and passed, but it’s certainly necessary. My home state of Washington had its legislature turn, and in a single year we got things like teen voter registration, first in the nation net neutrality, required insurance coverage for abortion, ban on the use of NDAs to prevent the disclosure of wages and raises for teachers. There were also significant efforts made towards a carbon tax, repeal of the death penalty (executions are on hold because of the governor and have been for a long time) and requiring people purchasing tobacco/vape products and guns. They screwed the pooch by trying to get rid of some transparency laws, but were quickly shamed into reversing their position. But hey, I guess I’m the big dummy for thinking that having republicans in control of the legislature is a good thing.
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Jun 16, 2018 21:12
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Ytlaya posted:Painting opposition to bad Democratic politicians as support for Republicans is a common tool in the "anti-leftist" (for lack of a better term) playbook. I already said Manchin was a poo poo and there was nothing wrong with opposing him. Why are you lying about this?
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Jun 17, 2018 17:24
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Ytlaya posted:You specifically said that being opposed to Manchin = "letting Republicans have control of the legislature." No, I said “manchin is a poo poo, but you shouldn’t ignore the power of being in the majority”. Sorry that nuance is too hard for you to understand though.
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Jun 17, 2018 21:06
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Ytlaya posted:It's also very questionable whether, in the long run, the benefits of a Democratic majority (that includes people like Manchin) outweigh the harm caused by allowing the party image to be "corrupted" through association with people like that. It's really telling that you're not only privileged enough to say no to a high paying career in finance but also to live out the crazy poo poo going on only to be concerned about "long term harm to the image of the party". That must be awesome to be in a position where those are your biggest concerns, you're incredibly lucky. Must be cool not to worry about being deported or have family that needs to be taken care of and then morally judge everyone else that are forced into more difficult decisions. By the way, that lack of a democratic majority got us Gorsuch. Are you happy to see unions further cut down? Are you happy about seeing the first amendment being weaponized against the left in not one but two contradictory rulings in as many weeks? How about that "Not Muslim" ban based on the same justifications as Jim loving Crow? Is it all worth it to you? Is it worth it? I said repeatedly that senators like Machin are poo poo. But having a democratic majority in the senate meant that Reid could have brough Obama's nominee up for a vote. Obama could have fought harder, but he can't force McConnell do anything.
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Jun 27, 2018 20:03
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Lightning Knight posted:True, but also no one is gonna go for that in the western developed world in a timely fashion. Those mosquitos are invasive species and there's several other native species that can fill that ecological niche. Not to mention that they're a massive vector for some rather dangerous diseases, I'm not sure why you didn't mention that.
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Oct 8, 2018 20:34
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Radish posted:So what consultant is telling the Democrats to totally ignore the massive voter suppression happening in Red States since if it wasn't for civil rights groups I wouldn't even know it is happening. I keep hearing Democrats decry those efforts so maybe you’ve reached this conclusion a bit opportunistically.
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Oct 21, 2018 14:28
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Office Pig posted:Democratic primary voters really know how to pick them, don't they? When did that vote happen?
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Oct 30, 2018 01:45
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Condiv posted:wasn't pelosi jabbering on about bipartisanship immediately after the election results? Who gives a poo poo when she doesn’t control any committees?
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sleep with the vicious posted:I wonder if spineless Dems would fight or cave...hmmm Yes, all those new Dems elected to the house are totally going to cave just on your say so. That totally makes sense. Every Democrat is the same and is there for the same reason.
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