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steinrokkan posted:The only conflict is whether what is being floated as democratic socialism in real world (i.e. Bernie Sanders) is socialism in anything but name. It seems to be obviously not the case, but eh, who cares. Bernie isn't quite there, no. But across the pond there's a certain Absolute Boy and his lot.
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Nice to see yronic with the bold take that dems can't try to win because that wouldn't be woke enough.
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Oct 1, 2017 08:29
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Remember when Hillary Clinton was the hyper-electable candidate who would run the most competent campaign ever and totally demolish Trump 100% guaranteed? Good times.
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Oct 1, 2017 23:50
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You see, we need to double down on losing because somebody, somewhere, at one point in time was in favour of social programs but also had bad opinions. I am clearly the adult in the room.
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Oct 2, 2017 16:51
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Is there some kind of bad dem signal that gets lit up the moment somebody points out that centrists are prone to horrible racism that summons you lot to try denying and whataboutizing it away?
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Oct 5, 2017 14:27
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It's good to see so many woke centrists here to explain to them dumb leftist PoC that their experiences didn't actually happen.Nevvy Z posted:I like how the black guy becomes a "centrist dem". Can't let him have any credibility on the topic concerning race can you? Also they were discussing a specific fake account you nitwit. JeffersonClay posted:Guys I am really concerned about the erasure of the 76% of black democratic primary voters who didn't vote for Bernie by prominent white leftists on the somethingawful dot com forums. Nice whataboutism.
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Oct 5, 2017 18:10
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Nevvy Z posted:Word? where's that? Every time you post.
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Oct 5, 2017 18:12
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Nevvy Z posted:Nah. You full of poo poo Nevvy Z posted:Well, since it seems to be happening on twitter maybe you should post about it their instead of this performative outrage about what black people say on twitter about KNOWN FAKE twitter accounts. Nevvy Z posted:Maybe you should have quoted just from that that instead of random twitter stuff that no one cares about and didn't show what you claimed it showed. Maybe you should shut up and actually listen to PoC when they tell you about a problem instead of reflexively trying to deny and minimize?
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Oct 5, 2017 18:18
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Nevvy Z posted:Who? I'm listening to the black guy who thought the account was fake You're sure as poo poo not listening to the people who are actually experiencing the problem, buddo. That you'd try to use some unrelated dude performing amateur linguistics based on a twitter post as a shield really says it all.
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Oct 5, 2017 18:22
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This whole shebang right here really shows how shallow and opportunistic the typical centrist's commitment to antiracism really is. Somebody brings up a problem that reflects badly on their team and they start falling over themselves to deny that it could possibly be a problem. Note that not a single one of the usual suspects have even tried to engage with the actual substance, i.e. that PoC leftists feel erased, and instead it's all posting about posters, posting about posting, impugning the motives and character of people who brought up the problem and even denying that the PoC who have spoken and written at length on the topic really matter to the conversation. Really says it all.
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Oct 5, 2017 18:30
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Nevvy Z posted:Actually I just didn't read it. What thread did you think this was? Case in point.
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Oct 5, 2017 18:32
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JeffersonClay posted:I'm posting about the erasure of POC and women by leftists asserting the Bernie bros were make believe. Somebody brings up a problem that reflects badly on their team and they start falling over themselves to deny it could possibly be a problem. Nice whataboutism. Besides that, remember when it turned out that there actually was a massive botnet masquerading as "bernie bros" and certain people who had been very into yelling about russian bots and "ratfucking" had to eat a whole lot of crow?
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Oct 5, 2017 19:06
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:This last 5 pages is a big Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I can't wait for KM to come in here to see all these fragile white people arguing over who is easing black people more. expanding_ironicat.gif
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Oct 5, 2017 19:37
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you're all doing it
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Sorry you don't like to be called on your poo poo? I'll be happy to take my licks if I have silenced a person of color, but I don't need 3-4 white guys telling me how one white guy is more guilty of erasure than the other, and how it makes one side the real racists. The only person that had a good post about the subject was the actual person of color saying that this has happened to them. Everyone else can go gently caress themselves. Nah, I was just wondering if you'd do some self-reflection after it was pointed out to you that you were literally using PoC as a cudgel in your slapfight, but apparently not.
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Oct 5, 2017 19:54
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Nice to see that gimmick posters are still being taken seriously when convenient.
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Oct 5, 2017 20:10
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botany posted:also sanders protested that incarceration rates and severity were not enough for powder cocaine users. his solution to racist mandatory minimums was literally that everyone should be jailed as harshly as black people. That woulda killed the bill awful fast, though. Don't see why you knock a guy for smart politics.
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Oct 17, 2017 12:11
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:We have had productive discussions in the past, but you haven't changed my opinion of your peers. I have totally been corrected on some things that are important by leftist in other threads and this one, but you have yet to examine your end of the discussion and how it may be part of the problem. I do not oppose leftist goals, i oppose people on the internet spouting pointless venom, who also have literally no self awareness. You literally spend most every post getting super mad at people whose only crime is to see the current dem establishment for the incompetent clownshow it is.
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Oct 17, 2017 17:59
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Someone has to balance out the endless posts spouting off their tiresome lines about centrists and the evil evil establishment. Yeah, good thing we have you here to cover for the people who have lost all power on every level of government to the goddamn Trump-fronted GOP and yet find it ten times more important to cling onto their personal power within the party than either trying to clean up their own mess or let somebody who's not a proven incompetent have a shot at fixing things. Real community service, that.
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Oct 17, 2017 20:08
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This is some remarkably fast mask-slippage on yronic's part.Potato Salad posted:Didn't know this thread existed, is this where I tell lefties who attack the Obamas with fringe theories that they are neither original nor clever? If you like, but there are also plenty of other threads where you can get mad about people daring to criticize Obama.
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Oct 18, 2017 20:00
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Additionally, I find it problematic that thsese people focus on Donna Brazil. While she isn't ideal she has a long career of public service that too many people just want to brush off because she was on team Clinton. She has earned her place in the party and trying to purge her or people like her indicates a desire to focus on ideological purity instead of coalition building. Here's a radical thought, maybe party positions shouldn't be treated like sinecures to be handed out to out-of-touch incompetents on the basis of them having a long career of failing upwards through the party hierarchy? You're literally back to arguing for poo poo that has been crippling the dems for decades because you value rewarding party loyalty over actually winning, which incidentally is the main reason why your lot get called out for being dumb. On a related note, this is also why the whole yelling a lot about Russia is so dumb. The only people who care enough about Russia to make it a decisive factor in their voting are middle and upper class liberals who will vote Dem anyway. Outside the political classes people certainly don't give a poo poo about it when compared to issues like putting food on the table or not dying because you have lovely insurance or not getting gunned down because you don't pass the paper bag test or any other reason that materially affects non-bourg people. So if the bad dems get their way and make the next elections all about Russia, they're once again shooting themselves in the foot. I guess this is also why people like JC incredulously demand answers as to why somebody could dare to be critical on the dumbass laser focus on Russia, because he's either incapable of getting that the dem establishment could possibly be bad at politics or mad that people can see this very obvious fact. Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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Oct 19, 2017 09:08
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JeffersonClay posted:Counterpoint: Maxine waters. This is not so much a counterpoint as it is a hilarious demostration of the centrist instinct to duck behind the first available black woman because you desperately need a shield from criticism you know you have no good answer to.
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Oct 19, 2017 10:55
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JeffersonClay posted:I don't think there's any point in engaging with the strawman that democrats should make the next election entirely about Russia, which no one advocates. Maxine Waters is able to spend a lot of time focusing on Russia while still supporting things like Medicare for all. She is a good democrat not in spite of her focus on Russia, but because she is focused on many important issues including Russia. See also Bernie Sanders. It's pretty cool that you want to erase her because she's a black woman and that's the only reason you can imagine someone might use her as an exemplar, though. Y'know, when somebody points out the dumb thing you do, the best response isn't to double down. Also it's cool that you still don't know what erasure means but try to use the term anyway.
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Oct 20, 2017 17:35
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The idea that there's some kind of omnipresent Russian troll presece on the net and the consequent accusations toward random people for being part of it is easily in the running for the dumbest brokebrains poo poo that's come out of the Trump era.
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Oct 20, 2017 19:21
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I mean, the gently caress do you expect? These are people who reacted to the dem establishment completely blowing the most important election of the past forty years with desperately closing ranks around the incompetents running the party and by creating some dumb stab-in-the-back myth about the treacherous lefties and closing themselves off into a bubble where everything will be fixed if they can just win the next election. Reason isn't going to reach them, so the best thing to do is to ignore them, organize and defeat the bad dems politically. There's been some good progress on that front already.
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Nov 10, 2017 10:47
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WampaLord posted:It's really really funny that a certain subset of this forum finds this to be the ultimate insult. It's 'cause centrists base their entire political identity on being the good guys on the liberal moral high ground, so when leftists show up and point out all the odious poo poo that centrists support and demand better policies, they go into full defense mode because that strikes directly at the core of their identity.
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Nov 10, 2017 16:28
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Condiv posted:i wonder why centrists feel the need to defend joe manchin, a man whose family is currently making epipens unaffordably expensive. do they just hate people with allergies? It's 'cause the dem establishment is so garbage at both politics and having a spine that they've convinced themselves that both states and people are somehow unchanging in their politics so that you can't persuade people to vote for you and instead have to run some horrible ghoul that caters to the worst in people in red states. I think it's some sort of coping mechanism to let them live with their political incompetence and cowardice. That this strategy doesn't work goes without saying, just like it goes without saying that the establishment doesn't really care.
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Nov 10, 2017 16:48
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Falstaff posted:Well, in Manchin's case at least it does work, since he's the incumbent. The argument there becomes whether it's worth the opportunity loss and the long-term damage to the party's brand to continue to support and court pols like Manchin, even in areas where a better candidate supposedly can't win. Having one guy to show for it isn't exactly what I'd call success, especially not regarding how the Blue Dogs got wiped back in the day. Nevvy Z posted:Lol. Living up to the thread title at least. Nah, you also post elsewhere.
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Nov 10, 2017 18:00
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Why is there an argument about stickers? Nevvy and JC are being dumb as usual and can't understand how bad the dem establishment casually putting their finger on the scales looks nowadays.
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Nov 10, 2017 19:28
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Absurd Alhazred posted:It could be a Manchin supporter or someone from his campaign doing the rounds before the event started, rather than someone with any of the listed organizations. Could be, but in that case they ought to be removed if it's a party event. That nobody of the arrangers apparently even realized this is kinda bad in itself.
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Nov 10, 2017 21:10
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The idea that the amount of time you've put into political work somehow determines the value of your opinions is a pretty dumb take. It becomes even dumber when it's used as a cudgel towards a group that's among the most politically engaged of all.
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Nov 15, 2017 21:23
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Thanks for proving my point, I guess?
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Nov 15, 2017 21:31
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Come to think of it, the idea that the internal politics of the global hegemonic power is just "daytime tv" for the rest of the world is also a pretty darn dumb take.
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Nov 15, 2017 21:38
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Maybe he was traumatized by the Swedish Chef as a kid or something?
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Nov 15, 2017 21:42
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On the one hand it's kinda funny to see JC's desperate attempts to rile people up, but on the other hand it's kinda sad to see the lengths he'll go to in order to convince himself that the real world hasn't left him behind and that his ideology isn't just another costly failure.
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Nov 16, 2017 12:45
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Katt posted:They could just run Hillary again now that people saw the alternative. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.ac6c811e215a
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Nov 19, 2017 11:03
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Turtlicious posted:So we should remove more agency from the victim for our own personal morals? I may not be understanding your arguments. This is ridiculous. Whether Franken should resign or not is a question that involves a whole lot more factors than just what the victim wants to happen. As a quick comparison, we don't let the victim decide the punishment for a crime either, and for good reasons.
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Nov 19, 2017 20:36
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Please don't get pedantic over an illustrative comparison, tia.
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Nov 19, 2017 20:41
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Dunno if a significant portion of the left has a problem with PoC being suspicious of politicians in general, since the vast majority of leftists share that attitude. What the left does have a problem with, however, is centrists who claim that PoC only are suspicious of leftists as a way of pretending that their own poo poo doesn't smell.
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Nov 20, 2017 11:56
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It's what happens when people base their politics on tribalism.
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I kinda have to respect JC's determination to go for the dumbest take possible even when the self-evident fact that resignation and investigation aren't mutually exclusive has been explained to him in no uncertain terms.
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