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Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

s.i.r.e. posted:

Luke and Obi-Wan talk about the Clone Wars, though it's never stated that the Stormtroopers are clones.

It is never stated that the Stormtroopers are clones because the Stormtroopers are not clones.

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Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

Tenzarin posted:

So with Carrie Fisher being deceased in real life, why did they make her such a huge part in this movie?

She passed after most of the production had been completed.

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

Bulkiest Toaster posted:

One of these things (what/who is snoke and what are his goals are) is a pretty fundamental element for why a war is happening in your star wars trilogy.

You mean like how the OT totally explained what\who Palpatine was and what his goals were, other than being Very Evil?

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
Note, also, that the Jedi are essentially slaves.

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
The non-naturalistic dialogue of the prequels makes sense when you consider that not a single one of the featured characters has lived life in conditions that anyone could describe as natural.

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
Star Wars is a space opera.

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

Billzasilver posted:

He says Rey already knows everything in the texts and probable knows more

He says "nothing there is, in that tree, that Rey does not already possess". He's literally saying she took the books.

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

euphronius posted:

Well Qui him takes him directly to the Jedi counsel and their "evil alarms" started going off so I don't know.

To be fair their "evil alarms" search for such insidious feelings as "enjoys titty"

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

Zoran posted:

Anakin consistently empathizes with droids and treats them as friends and equals, whereas his mentor Obi-Wan is a tremendous racist—a clue that even teenage Anakin is more than just an ungrateful poo poo and that the Jedi have some terrible prejudices.

Shout-outs to that one episode of Clone Wars where a very distraught Anakin has lost R2D2, his friend for decades, and Obi-Wan comforts him by saying "who cares just get a new one lol"

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
shout outs to the guy on the last page who said that none of the Star Wars movies showed anybody speaking to R2D2 and understanding him, how brave is it to steadfastly refuse to watch ESB in 2018

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

Serf posted:

in the opening scenes of ANH threepio expresses the fact that droids are alive and that their existence is suffering. i dunno what more there really is to say

how dare you actually watch a Star Wars movie before arguing about it

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

Yaws posted:

All you ever talk about is Star Wars.

the Star Wars thread, everybody

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

Friendly Factory posted:

Not that this tired discussion isn't annoying, but it has reminded me that I would like to see a force using droid at some point

Grievous, arguably

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
How do you pronounce Latinx? My brain is saying it in a way that rhymes with jinx, but that is probably wrong.

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
Cool, thank you.

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

Milky Moor posted:

Turns out exit polls from people just exiting a theatre might be inflated.

they probably just habitually interview adults

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

R. Guyovich posted:

they auditioned 3,000 actors and came up with this highly distinctive bunch. real balls of charisma, every one

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

Blazing Ownager posted:

The movie was very, very, VERY loving stupid

incredible commentary

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

The recurring claim that Snoke and the First Order are just losers ("cosplayers," "paper tigers") is a bit of a double-edged sword, because it means that the heroes suck so much that they're outdone by these idiots.

This is an extremely on-point contemporary social commentary.

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

Caros posted:

You realize that refusing to tell her visibly shaken and demoralized crew about her plan is what led to Poe and Finn heading off on their own. That if she'd just replied 'There is an old rebel base up ahead, we are going to ditch the ship there and make the first order think they killed us.' rather than 'You need to trust me even as we lose ship after ship with no plan in sight' that he probably would have gone along with it.

She was a terrible goddamn leader who got everyone killed because she just assumed everyone should implicitly trust her despite their own fears.

They were just chased through hyperspace, previously thought impossible - the logical conclusion is that they either have hitherto unrevealed technology enabling them to do so, or a spy. The possibility of the latter necessitates keeping tight-lipped about the plan.

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
Any story with magic cannot possibly be an allegory because magic is not in fact a real thing that exists and furtherm,ore

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

UmOk posted:

Every time those guys get brought up I have to look up what they've made. Two cartoons, one of which is good, an alright comedy and its sequel. I don't see what's so great about them.

Are you talking poo poo, about Clone High, my dude

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Yeah, the scene where they jump into hyperspace to hide - specifically because they’re not fast enough to escape otherwise.

Ah, yes, clearly they were outrunning them, instead of outrunning them, yes I see now

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Han’s dialogue about his ability to outrun ships refers the film’s chase scenes

you mean the chase scene that ends with the Falcon outrunning the ships into hyperspace

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

Schwarzwald posted:

The flashbacks we got were like reading a wikipedia plot summery of a second film.

is this really a criticism someone is using in the context of a film series that famously keeps viewers up to speed with a several paragraph plot summary before each film

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
didn't you know that once you've done a heroic thing you're literally incapable of ever making mistakes again

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

His conclusion is, like, “Anakin was really strong. The Jedi should have killed him before he got strong.”

his conclusion is that the rise of Darth Vader was the Jedi's fault, which is almost verbatim what he says in the film and is also the thesis of five entire other movies

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
Luke's moment of true heroism in ROJ is when he doesn't kill Vader, and the point of TLJ is that he doesn't get that

a lot of people are confused and hurt by this being the structure of the story because they, also, don't get that

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

What Luke doesn’t realize - and never realizes - is why things went so wrong with his school.

so what you're saying here is that the scene where Luke explains the mistake he made and suffers for is bad because Luke doesn't realize the mistake he made and suffers for, and that's bad writing because [data not found]

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

Bulkiest Toaster posted:

-Knights of Ren
-Why did Lukes saber call to Rey/what was the awakening?
-What is Rey? Maybe she isn't related to someone important but why is she so powerful?
-Who was Snoke? What was his plan or objective? Why did he use weapons and tech that was exactly like the Empire?

it's likely that the best possible way for him to address these things is to not address these things

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

Bulkiest Toaster posted:

Then IX will be a sort of failure, and definitely a failure in terms of lore and myth making which was the inherent core of star wars.

yeah they should definitely take the time to explain a bunch of stuff because that has historically gone over terrifically with Star Wars fans

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
So, exceptional until the last five minutes?

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

ungulateman posted:

me3's ending is actually symbolically really good - the three endings are a literalisation of the choice-wheel you've been using the whole time (there's a reason the beams are red, blue and green). the overall structure of the series, however, is all about hand-waving whenever a choice-wheel is used because nobody wants to write three or more radically different narratives depending on the players' choice, every time they make a decision.

I feel like this is maybe under-appreciative of the breadth of the branching storylines in the ME trilogy. Like yeah, the main plot is still basically the same, but there's so, so, so many different stories among the groups of characters of that game. The ending felt bad because your choices actually mattered a lot up until that point.

Maybe not the right thread for this, though.

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
I don't think I've ever heard anything worth listening to come from someone who honestly uses the phrase "get a life"

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
jakkooine

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
yo check out the dude that capitalized Santa Claus but not God and Allah to make a point

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

Brother Entropy posted:

sticking your dick in a toaster doesn't make you pan

counterpoint; this is the only thing that could make anyone pan

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

SolarFire2 posted:

the fact that the plot needs the characters to make foolish, illogical decisions to move the story forward

sounds like somebody's never watched a movie before

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

galagazombie posted:

The set is just plain uninspired, it's not a Star Wars casino, hell it's not even a space casino, it's just a casino.

I was going to be incredulous that people were complaining that a star wars movie didn't have colourful, visually busy sets after listening to people complain about the prequels for twenty straight years but you know what that's actually just stupid enough to be real

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Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.
can't wait for ep ix to bomb, a thing that will definitely happen because everyone pays attention to my nitpicky fandumbing on the internet

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