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Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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You know when you see a band in a cartoon, and it's obvious the artists have never looked closely at a guitar before? This is the guitar they draw.

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Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Elissimpark posted:

Yeah, but then you google "soviet era guitars" or "italian electric guitars from the fifties" and you realise its just YOU who hasn't been looking closely at the right guitars.

That's true! My brother's an illustrator and I was giving him poo poo lately because he drew a guitar with the 12th fret markers on the first fret for some reason.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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He was great in the Pixies though.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Krustic posted:

It seems impossible, but the beer is even better than the band. For sure one of the best band beers and embarrassingly enough I’ve had several. Iron Maiden, deftones, pantera, the sword, Pearl Jam to name a few.

Surely a Pantera beer is just whatever is cheapest at the gas station where your hot cousin works?

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Spanish Manlove posted:

Is there a monolithic disparaging term for music that's only ever listened to by dudes who play guitar, or wish they played guitar? I'm thinking of every song you only ever see mentioned in a guitar magazine, or forum post, like Hendrix, Clapton, Vai, Satriani, The Weather Report, and modern stuff like Animals as Leaders and Polyphia.

I'd like to know this too. I saw Covet live and the audience full of these guys made it my least favourite concert experience. Not because Covet were bad (although, not amazing, tbh) or because it felt dangerous, just because there was an arrogance that led to thoughtless "ironic" moshing and no regard for other members of the crowd.

Music's a diverse thing and it's cool if someone gets joy from banging out power chords they can't name or running the guitar through 90 pedals in weird tunings or playing bleepy bloopy arpeggios on 7 string headless guitars or whatever, but these guys make it feel like a competition.

BonHair posted:

I'd say guitar heroes. That only accounts for guitar, but if we're being honest, that's 90% of them.

I think Clapton and Hendrix also have a grandpa rock fanbase (dad rock is Metallica and Nirvana now), even if they never actually played or wanted to.

Eh, my "guitar hero" is the fairly rote J Mascis, but I liked his music as pop music before I liked it as spectacle.

While boomer rock isn't really my thing, I get that there's still songcraft there, and I don't really hear that in the widdly-woo bands.

Disco Pope fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Aug 15, 2023

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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TheMightyBoops posted:

I saw Covet and the crowd was fine. It was a pretty small show though in WI.

Yeah, I don't blame Covet - I think math-y stuff can walk a thin line, but Covet and a couple of others often veers into mid-west emo territory enough just to be pretty songs. It just felt that every guy who had bought a Rick and Morty shirt and CBD vape, but never deodorant or conditioner was there. This was in Glasgow.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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BonHair posted:

Yeah, if you've ever been in a bass group on Facebook, Jaco gets the same kind of wankery worship that Yngwie or whoever it is nowadays gets with guitarists.

I think musician's music is a good term, but if we're being honest, the complex, difficult technical stuff can usually just be lobbed under prog. Like, I know a guy who was in a prog band, they spent weeks working out a song or passage or something and when they were happy with it, they sat back and listened to it, and decided it sounded like poo poo. But sometimes it seems like that last part is skipped and you get boring prog. Hendrix is definitely a different kind of musician's music though.

Musicians Music initially makes me think of how people heard The Velvet Underground or saw The Sex Pistols and then everyone had to start their own band, but I suppose those people often weren't musicians in the strictest sense. I guess music students music resonates more with me.

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Dec 6, 2004

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Wowporn posted:

Tim Henson looks like if Lil Xan was being played by Timothy Chalamet in a movie. That is my only meaningful contribution here I can't even remember what a song from any of these bands sounds like

It's like "bloopaloopadoopaloopa (soaking wet reverb and delay)"

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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I wonder where the Guitar World mindset comes from - I can see it and respect it (even if I don't enjoy it) in older artists who are maybe session musicians or whatever, so get really deep in the weeds with craft, but when it's some 20-30yr old with plug piercings and a bushy soulpatch and 7 string headless guitar sitting in front of a gaming PC with a cosmic visualiser...

...ah gently caress, that's it, isn't it? These guys are gamers aren't they? At heart, they're gamers.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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TheMightyBoops posted:

A lot of actual wank is like Van Halen but Van Halen is not wank.

Yeah, I could hum some Clapton licks right now too. Same is true of Hendrix or Van Halen. Honestly, it could just be a wank on the blues continuum vs blues on the prog thing.

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Dec 6, 2004

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Henchman of Santa posted:

“Does it have soul” is another one of those meaningless concepts. It’s totally up to the listener. Unless it’s that video of Yngwie doing a “blues” solo—that definitely doesn’t have it.

Yeah, I agree, that's too subjective. There is a sterility to the stuff that sets off my wank alarm, but I think that's possibly due to the really clear and bright, but not distorted, tone the guitar often has and how it's mixed. I think maybe there's a lot of reverb and delay in there too. So, soulless isn't useful to me, but I think inorganic might be?

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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TheMightyBoops posted:

Someone needs to talk to Slash.

Rather wouldn't, thanks.

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Dec 6, 2004

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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:

If it has zero sex at every level it’s wank music, paradoxically.

Car Seat Headrest aren't wanky though - it's a world of contrasts.

EDIT: I was going to cite Weezer at first, but Weezer *are* kind of wanky insofar as they are music about music, it's just that they have actual hooks. I don't know. Two-beers thoughts.

Disco Pope fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Aug 17, 2023

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Kingo Ligma posted:

Stupid music poo poo:

Went to a show last weekend with an extremely self important sound guy.

"I'm Not a DJ" T shirt
Rubbish bin with sign taped to it saying "please file advice for the soundman here" next to the console.
Talking to musicians like they're idiots

Surprising absolutely no one, the mix was dogshit.

Sound guys are either nervous but good hearted 20-somethings or the worst pot-bellied, ponytailed guy on Earth. No in-between, although only ever met them in a local band context.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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stratdax posted:

Nothing wrong with appreciating technical ability for its own sake.

Of course, but the Venn diagram of these guys and "Kurt Cobain was a mediocre guitarist" guys is a near circle.

ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

gently caress off with that AI poo poo



Only real pictures of Santa please.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Henchman of Santa posted:

Has to be AI right?

Nah, AI couldn't make a Crkkble battle-jacket so convincing.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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TheMightyBoops posted:

The upper horn on that guitar is really something.

That's skeleton titty.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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insane clown pussy posted:

that guy's lame but i giggled when the machine head video clip popped up

Yeah, that was good.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:

Who is Machine Gun Kelly for? Asking sincerely.

You know that person you know who is constantly in tears at any given social event because their line-cook, alcoholic boyfriend has been cheating on them with a 15yr old, but they keep getting back together for some reason? That person.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Maybe it's because I don't know many teenagers, but any MGK fan I've met has been 30 year old dudes really into vaping and beanies and women of a similar age who don't seem happy unless the worst beanie-vape dude is breaking her heart somehow.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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sporklift posted:

I blame August is Falling.

They only released one EP in the 90s, like Texas is the Reason, kinda.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Actuary X posted:

Taylor guitars has a smaller guitar known as the Baby Taylor.

This morning I found out that there is a Taylor Swift. Signature version, so it is called the Taylor Taylor Swift Baby Taylor.

I won't listen to Sam Fender, because that's like being a chef called Bobby Onions. Dude should at least have the decency to play a G&L or something

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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My brother is into Bluesgrass and speaks highly of Billy Strings. That doesn't register as any sillier to me than Joe Strummer, to be honest, I would just feel weird playing a Fender if my surname was Fender. Leo gets a pass,I guess.

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Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

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Thermos H Christ posted:

I guess he would have if he played guitar, which he didn’t. Makes everything he did that much cooler, imo.

I always forget that, but I agree!

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