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Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





https://twitter.com/SVR13/status/1401951423437365248

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Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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me, a cryptocurrencyist: i firmly believe in cryptocurrency because evil governments issue fiat money, crypto is pure and i will fight people on the internet over it

also me: i am so glad that el salavador is accepting bitcoin that i will willfully ignore the things the government has done... BITCOIN!

also me: i see nothing wrong at all with tether. so what if they hold tons of commercial paper no one is able to account for? that's fine. so what if no one in that space has ever heard of tether buying up any commercial paper? that's fine too. and oh, they have like 3 employees running something supposedly worth billions of dollars? also fine. they're just really efficient. that's the power of CRYPTO!

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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apparently mark cuban is claiming he, "lost it all" being a "liquidity provider" for TITAN... despite the fact that he was shilling the exchange/coin a couple days ago... yeah bet he got taken...

ah nvm he said this: https://mobile.twitter.com/mcuban/status/1405306497257586688

lol not suspicious

edit: just realized.. he probably caused the run in the pool when he yanked all his money as a liquidity provider...lol

Strong Sauce fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Jun 17, 2021

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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i do feel bad for some of these people who didn't know any better.

but everytime they open their stupid mouth about some "good news" regarding bitcoin... makes me hope they lose it all.
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there was the guy on the tiktokinvestors account who said he quit his job and sold all his long term retirement funds and also took all his savings and put that into btc when it was at 48k... when bitcoin started dipping after it's 60K peak he made a tiktok saying, "no one knows why its going down".... i wish i had seen that when he posted it because i wanted to ask him, "well, why was it going up?"

these people have no idea what bitcoin is other than something they hope will go up. that dogecoin guy is even sadder. he's lost well over a million dollars holding onto the doge he bought with his lifesavings.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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bitcoin back above 30K, up to 32K. normal stuff

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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jokes posted:

Was it Tether that had like 30% of its balance sheet be in "cash equivalents" without any further information?

75%, but it had a further breakdown, of the 75%, 65% was "commercial paper", enough where they'd be one of the biggest holders of commercial paper/aka short term debt. 3.87% was in cash which if you take that that is 75% of their total holdings amounts to just under 3% of the amount they should have is backed by actual cash. there's

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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Greenplastic posted:

When people in the Bitcoin Reddit say Bitcoin transactions are slow and expensive it is countered by mentioning some kind of lightning network or something (supposedly used in that video of a guy transferring coin with a cellphone in El Salvador) which they say has all the benefits of Bitcoin ("non-custodial", safe, bla bla) but none of the downsides, and is settled later, bringing the transactions onto the chain or whatever

What are they talking about, and why is it bullshit?
someone correct me if i'm wrong and i haven't caught up to the latest so i might not have the most recent info on lightning network..

the way the lightning network works is ahead of time you put bitcoins into a "channel" which is basically a transaction on the blockchain, this channel is shared by people who regularly transact with each other. so lets say alice and bob both agree to commit 1 bitcoin a piece to this channel. once the bitcoin blockchain confirms this transaction (which is basically a smart contract that says both sides have agreed and put in 1 bitcoin). you now can trade up to 1 bitcoin between the people in the channel. so alice and bob can trade money owed back and forth.

lets say alice gets mad at bob and decides to "end" the channel. she can say she's done and the smart contract that opened the channel resolves who owes who what and marks that on the smart contract. so if at the end alice sent over half a bitcoin to bob. the contract figures this out and resolves this.

on the "real" blockchain, it resolves to alice sending bob that half a bitcoin. bob gets 1.5 bitcoins returned to his wallet.. and life goes on.

additionally. if bob holds channels with alice and carol. and alice wants to send money to carol, she can do that by using bob as an intermediary between them. so if alice wants to send 0.25 bitcoins to carol, she sends it through to bob, who then sends 0.25 bitcoin through to carol. also he skims a small transaction fee for handling it.

now the biggest issues with lightning.

1. if you don't have a relationship with the person you're trying to send bitcoin to, and you're probably only going to send this person money one time.. then lightning network is pointless. you need to generate the smart contract and wait for the transaction to resolve on the blockchain. at this point, you may as well have just sent the person the bitcoin as the transaction.

2 "ah. but you just said you can connect channels from different people! if i don't have a relationship with carol, i can just send through bob."

yes this is true.. if and only if the chain of channels you need to send money has enough bitcoins to make the transaction. so if along the individual channels of alice, bob, carol and david. if alice wanted to send david 0.5 bitcoin, and carol only has 0.25 bitcoin on the carol and david channel, then the transaction can't be done.

3. lastly, and i don't know if this would actually be an issue... is that bitcoin runs on miners getting paid fees to manage transactions. arguably if the lightning network ends up being successful.. that's fewer incentives for miners to want to process the transactions. so it will either raise the fees or reduce verification of transactions..

again.. i may be completely messing up what the lightning network is.. but using it is only useful if its someone you transact with enough to want to open a channel between you two. for example, if you went to a coffee place.. you may open a channel between them so you can just get your coffee and have it resolve instantly.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





Somfin posted:

This is the lightning network bullshit where they're not actually sending BTC to each other right

its bitcoin beach where i'm sure they have a lightning node running handling the town's transactions.

ilmucche posted:

I feel like I already know the answer to this but did the tether printer folks ever show their work that every tether is backed by a real USD?

Follow up that I've never really understood: why not just use actual USD (if the answer is fraud then don't worry about it)

no. the true amount of cash is <3%, liquid assets i forget but not that much better.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





Sinecure posted:

Isn't it Strike's private Lightning Network running there because the 'real' one is even more of a poo poo show? Completely trustless & decentralised!

In all seriousness, these people are going to get scammed for the USD that their families sent them in support which is just a terrible thing to do.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-06-22/in-el-salvadors-bitcoin-beach

quote:

“Bukele is helped by these bitcoin bros who are only interested in getting money from working-class Salvadorans,” said Ricardo Valencia, a communications professor at Cal State Fullerton and a native of El Salvador. “These rich Americans are going there and they’re changing the financial system just by having the ear of the president.”

quote:

“At the beginning I thought it was weird,” said Roxana Valles, the 42-year-old proprietor of a small beachside grocery store where a parrot named Bonito greets customers. “But it’s turned out to be a really nice experience.”

quote:

Customers can pay using a variety of smartphone apps created for small bitcoin transactions. Two of her brothers in the United States now use the technology to send home remittances, avoiding commissions of 10% or more charged by traditional money wiring services.

quote:

Most importantly, she said, bitcoin has allowed her to invest for the first time. In March, when the value of bitcoin spiked, she made the equivalent of $500, money she cashed out into dollars put back into the store.

quote:

But bitcoin’s wild fluctuations in value mean users can also get burned.
....
Construction worker Alfredo Amaya, who is helping build a community center for Bitcoin Beach, is encouraged to accept his weekly pay in the currency.

By early May, he had saved up the equivalent of $1,000, money the 60-year-old hoped to use for his retirement.

Then billionaire Elon Musk announced that his Tesla electric car company would no longer accept bitcoin because of the environmental toll of creating the cryptocurrency and processing transactions [...] The price of bitcoin fell 35% and Amaya saw a good chunk of his savings disappear overnight.

When he needed dollars for a recent emergency, he opted not to cash it out of his bitcoin account, hoping that if he left his reserves, they would eventually regain value.


quote:

“It’s the devil’s money,” said one restaurant owner who does not accept bitcoin and declined to give her name out of fear of retribution from the town’s bitcoin evangelists.

quote:

[...] bitcoin ATM, where people can exchange the digital currency for real dollars for around a 5% fee. Since the bitcoin law was passed, hundreds of people from other parts of the country have showed up, feeding greenbacks into the machine to buy bitcoin. At one point, the machine stopped working and a local woman started taking dollars on her own, charging an 8% commission.

quote:

Hércules grumbled about the time that his taxi driver son was paid in bitcoin. By the time he converted it into dollars, it had lost nearly 50% of its value.

“They present it as a great marvel,” Hércules said. “But it’s a trick.”

There's a section about Strike.. but the Bitcoin Beach thing was already there before Strike. Strike's whole thing is its suppose to protect from the bitcoin swings...

Oh but how will El Salvadorians be protected from this risk?

quote:

The law established a $150-million government trust fund that Bukele says will give Salvadorans the option to convert their bitcoin to dollars if they wish.

“They have to take the bitcoin, but they don’t have to take the risk,” Bukele said to a digital gathering of more than 20,000 bitcoin enthusiasts in a Twitter Spaces hangout.

He did not explain how the fund would be big enough, given that El Salvadorans in the United States send home $6 billion in remittances each year.

quote:

That has raised concerns about corruption, with the Central American Institute for Fiscal Studies saying the plan will turn El Salvador into a “money laundering paradise.” It didn’t help that the day before the Bitcion announcement in Miami, Bukele, whose health and finance ministers have both been accused of graft, had pulled out of an anti-corruption accord with the Organization of American States.

yes perfectly normal here. lightning network works so no need to worry about the rest of this all.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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Saw this off Fidelity

quote:

June 24 (Reuters) - Andreessen Horowitz is launching a new $2.2 billion fund to invest more money in crypto networks, Venture capital giant said in a blog post on Thursday.

[...]

quote:

Andreessen Horowitz also said Bill Hinman, the former director of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission's (SEC)division of corporation finance, will join its crypto arm as an advisory partner.

Hinman has worked as the regulator's point man on cryptocurrencies.

Tomicah Tillemann, who served as a senior adviser to U.S. President Joseph Biden and two Secretaries of State and was chairman of the Global Blockchain Business Council, will join as global head of policy, Andreessen Horowitz said.

Brent McIntosh, who served as under secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs and coordinated the G7's work on cryptocurrencies, will also join as an advisory partner.

Andreessen Horowitz is the biggest shareholder in Coinbase Global Inc ( COIN ), the largest U.S. cryptocurrency exchange. (Reporting by Noor Zainab Hussain and Sohini Podder in Bengaluru; Editing by Shinjini Ganguli and Anil D'Silva)

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





https://twitter.com/defiprime/status/1409370786004045824

While details are yet scarce, block explorer Polygonscan shows that 202,000 USDC and 46,000 USDT stablecoins were suddenly drained from SDO’s smart contract today—worth around $248,000 in total.

As a result, SafeDollar’s price—which was supposed to always be equal to $1 since it’s a stablecoin—has plummeted to zero, according to the protocol’s own website.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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and another one

https://twitter.com/coffeebreak_YT/status/1410076749002690561

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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but what if... i change 1 to 2?

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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no clue about the context, but lol

https://twitter.com/ParikPatelCFA/status/1410593464425848833

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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CoolCab posted:

it wasn't an accident, which is really the wildest part. someone went "you know what i want to do, is make GPUs impossible to buy." and they did it!

Chia is increasing the prices on hard drives so if you're looking into one because you're running out of space or just want more space I suggest you buy sooner rather than later.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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https://twitter.com/CasPiancey/status/1412512802917404672

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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https://twitter.com/Plinz/status/1413012411418779654

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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https://twitter.com/TikTokInvestors/status/1413325543731310595

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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i can't believe they acttually said, "do your own research"

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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https://twitter.com/dee_bosa/status/1415357381685436429

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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literally watching bitcoin crash under 30k... someone is buying the dip to prop it up though.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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tether hasn't printed much money in a while..only thing that could technically prop it up is USDC. what's triggering this new selloff

but its probably also this news: https://twitter.com/DelRayMan/status/1417304092574195713

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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i don't know if it'll get back to 30k, but there are a lot of people trying really hard to shoot it back up to that price

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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quote:

(Reuters) - Electric-car maker Tesla Inc ( TSLA ) will most likely restart accepting bitcoin as payments, Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk said at a conference on Wednesday.

Musk's comments come after Tesla said in May it would stop accepting bitcoin for car purchases.

"Tesla would resume accepting bitcoin, it is most likely" Musk said.

(Reporting by Noor Zainab Hussain and Nivedita Balu in Bengaluru; Editing by Shounak Dasgupta)

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/21/elon-musk-jack-dorsey-speak-about-cryptocurrency-at-b-word-conference.html

The price of ethereum rose Wednesday afternoon after Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk said he owns the cryptocurrency at The B Word conference, an event hosted by the Crypto Council for Innovation.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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i thought bitcoin had imploded given the amount of posts in here but i guess it was just seraph?

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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11 hours ago 186million tether went into binance, then 4 hours ago binance just created nearly 60+ million BUSD from thin air and bitcoin suddenly starts climbing hmm very interesting.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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Diva Cupcake posted:

BTC is up like 35% over the past week and from what I can tell it's based off nothing at all. Literally nothing.

Strong Sauce posted:

11 hours ago 186million tether went into binance, then 4 hours ago binance just created nearly 60+ million BUSD from thin air and bitcoin suddenly starts climbing hmm very interesting.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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if a dollar is 3 cents. yes tether is fully backed by a dollar

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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https://twitter.com/deitaone/status/1424791464874332164?s=21

The guy we hired to help us navigate the SEC has quit. This is good for Bitcoin …

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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we're going to find out they left their privkey in a github commit, aren't we?

also lol that this news doesn't affect prices in the slightest. definitely very normal for a market to not respond to hackers stealing 600 million.. its fine.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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eh sounds like he's pro-bitcoin and just doesn't want to hear pitches from new cryptocurrencies

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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i have some stock in Visa.

its been going down the past week or so... okay what's the news on Visa?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/23/visa-buys-cryptopunk-nft-for-150000.html

quote:

Visa jumps into the NFT craze, buying a ‘CryptoPunk’ for $150,000

What in the gently caress... how does this even make sense for Visa to buy this.

quote:

“We think NFTs will play an important role in the future of retail, social media, entertainment, and commerce,” Cuy Sheffield, head of crypto at Visa, said in a blogpost Monday.

Okay what the gently caress does that have to do with Visa....

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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He's head of crypto at Visa... VP position.

https://twitter.com/VisaNews/status/1429745230023208969

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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those look more like mantises than goats.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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even beeple at the very least sent you a customized LCD frame that displayed the NFT you bought. i mean not worth the millions but that was at least some effort.

overall i'm honestly just confused about it, there is no value.. even the technical design of NFTs... nearly all of them are poorly implemented in a rush to sell off junk assets.

fish and chips and dip posted:

Cross posting from the r/relationships thread

i feel sad for the girl. dude spent his life savings on an NFT to propose to his gf? this guy is honestly a moron, not because he bought that NFT.. well he is for doing that, but the bigger mistake is your girlfriend asked you not to do this poo poo because you were terrible at it and you ended up just lying to her and you're posting on a loving internet forum because you don't even understand any of the mistakes you made. "What do I do?" Buddy you don't even listen to your own girlfriend what's the likelihood you'll listen to random internet nerds?

fake edit: found the thread, someone said the poster wrote about hinge a couple months back.. so most likely fake? maybe? hopefully? okay fess up who wrote it>?

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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bernie madoff is a good man, i got some profit from my investment.. - first person involved in madoff's ponzi

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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https://twitter.com/coffeebreak_YT/status/1435080593818198017

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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bitfinex threads are.. interesting.

https://twitter.com/Bitfinexed/status/1435390934045315074

https://twitter.com/Bitfinexed/status/1435293905625489412


and this whole thread about the possibility that tether (having previously been ripped off by crypto capital) has too much money in china to the point where their chinese counterparts may just gently caress them over since tether has no recourse

https://twitter.com/Bitfinexed/status/1435419301645799433

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Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

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Parkingtigers posted:

I don't know Bitfinexed, I'm just a casual mocker of buttcoins, but I do know that Jennifer Zeng account they're quoting is an incredibly dubious source that nobody should be touching with a bargepole. An Epoch Times associated insane conspiracy theorist who is terrible at showing provenence of the materials, and adds her own layer of bullshit she on top. That's not to say there isn't factual material in her posts, but good luck separating it from the pile of poo poo it has been served in.

yeah thanks for that.

does look like it is a protest about wages, and about evergrande. i don't think that part is false.

it is indeed speculative that tether is buying evergrande commercial paper.. the running theory is that because no one in the US, nor EMEA have ever heard of Tether... there seems to be only one area left that they could buy "international" commercial paper from. especially that much. the obvious hole is how they'd buy chinese commercial paper since tether can't buy directly. what chinese bank would allow them to buy it..

i guess we'll find out soon enough... evergrande is imploding right now.

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