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Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Elyv posted:

Is it possible this is a statement from the Saudis intended to intimidate the Lebanese government to do something about Hizbullah or to do whatever else it is the Saudis want, similar to what happened with Qatar?

The Lebanese government is not stupid enough to fight Hezbollah.

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Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Cat Mattress posted:

Who is?

Saudi Arabia? The United Arab Emirates? Turkey? Egypt? Iraq? Syria? Israel? Yemen? Qatar? Oman? Lebanon? Who in that cursed region can be described as a force for good? They're all either forces for evil, or not a force at all.

So we end up having to look at the lesser evil and that's when you get people saying "I support this brutal repressive misogynistic theocracy because I like them better than those brutal repressive misogynistic theocracies" and :shepicide:

As for the murder brigades in Syria, the blame is primarily to place on Assad because he's the fucker who decided to genocide his own people instead of compromising in the first place. Iran, like Russia, are guilty of aiding and abetting out of geopolitical calculus, but they're merely accomplices. Assad is the one who is responsible.


The Lebanese are probably the best here, dysfunctional as it is.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

coathat posted:

Congratulations to Yemen on “Worlds Biggest Famine”

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Coldwar timewarp posted:

I think by most advanced jets you mean any capable of getting airborne.

Their "most advanced" jets (Mig-29s) don't even have the capability to hit ground targets.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
How are their Gazelle squadrons holding up?


EDIT: I didn't know they were using them. I thought the elite Mig-29 squads just sat around Latakia and Damascus.

Human Grand Prix fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Nov 9, 2017

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Brother Friendship posted:

One thing that has been made clear since the start of the Arab Spring is that Saudi Arabia and Israel are vastly constrained powers without open assistance from the United States. Israel and SA simply don't have the will to act and, possibly, not even the capacity.


I think you are taking the Israelis far too lightly. Also they basically act with impunity.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Josef bugman posted:

Which is the least worst group that are operating in the area?

SDF/PYD/USA.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

coathat posted:

Lets not make predictions and in fact just kill more. I’m sure the 600000 with cholera will be doing fine.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless


Not surprising. Traditionally, the Syrian regime went to great lengths to stifle any sectarian divisions. Their textbooks for example made no mention of Sunnis or Shias but rather "Muslims" and the Assad's themselves suppressed the more "eccentric" aspects of the Alawite sect.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Is Ashura Twelver-only or do the 7ers, Alawites, Alevis, and Houthis celebrate as well?

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Liberal affinity for hardline Sunni Islamists has always struck me as bizarre.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
:doom: SAFAVIDS!

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
My Christmas wish is that one of the lovely malfunctioning Houthi Scuds lands on Al-Saqr’s house.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
“Torturing and beheading people is wrong unless they are a member of the SyAAF” - Guys who love Freedom and democracy.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Thug Lessons posted:

We wouldn't be debating it because ISIS members are criminals by definition, since they belong to an internationally proscribed terrorist organization. But I definitely wouldn't feel comfortable calling an ISIS member a war criminal without evidence, let alone summarily executing him. And if someone was caught doing so my response would be the same: to say that this is an extremely serious war crime, there's no excuse, and the perpetrators must be punished.

I’m pretty sure any SyAAF pilot refusing to partake in aerial campaigns would face severe repercussions.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

A Typical Goon posted:

Ah those poor war criminals that were ‘just following orders’

“Lemme just disobey the guy that gasses people to death. I’m sure this will end well for myself and my family.”

OR

“Lemme just defect. I’m sure the Bismallah Al-Jihad Brigade WON’T murder me for being an apostate!”

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

spaceships posted:

watching people who never gave a flying gently caress about the iranian people become erect and parroting MEK and pahlavi talking points is extremely my poo poo

The Neocons/Salafi apologists should be VERY careful what they wish for. I’m also opposed to the Ayatollah’s regime, but I imagine for different reasons.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Happy New Year!

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Volkerball posted:

Thanks for that post, spaceships, it was interesting.

https://twitter.com/borzou/status/948282906295881729

He seems confident.

What he said about the USA, Israel, and ESPECIALLY Saudi Arabia is 100% true.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

TildeATH posted:

He sounds like an old conservative douchebag with the Proud Shi’a and Those Good Revolutionaries Who Want Reform and Restrained IRGC lines. It sounds like an Iranian version of a Trump supporter who wants to make sure nothing really changes and none of that Foreign Influence gets in.

I guess I just know more conservative Iranians than all you guys in this thread married to your various Tehrangeles cousins of the Shah.

He sounds like a man who doesn’t want to get severely beaten by police/military.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Cocoa Ninja posted:

It’s amazing to think that a couple of years ago, even with all the rebel infighting, a collapse of the SAA seemed inevitable. We were counting their last few modern tanks as they were destroyed and given DIY repairs, and their Air Force was losing all its trained pilots and decent aircraft. They were completely stalled and could barely hold their ground, much less go on the offensive.

Without Russian Air power and Iranian troops you can imagine that all across Syria it would’ve been the same story as Ghouta — grinding losses, sieges like Deiz ez zour, and stalled fronts like Daraa.

The Syrian Army did not have any tanks that could be considered modern at that time. The aircraft and pilots that they were losing were far from decent - Mig-21s and Mig-23s and whatever lovely Sukhoi Fitter variants they were flying would be mediocre by 1980s Standards, much less now. They keep their modern planes (Mig-29s) near Damacus and in Latakia

Even with decaying equipment terrible morale, and mass defections the SAA never looked like it would collapse completely. You’re also ignoring the people that gave them the biggest black eye - ISIS. The non-ISIS Islamist rebels were always awful at fighting and were on the back foot long before the Russians ever showed up. The regime would not had made the gains it did without Russian air power but I would really like people to stop pretending Al-Nusra/Ahrar were on the verge of victory before late-2015.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Gimmick Account posted:

I'm glad someone else has finally caught on that almighty is nothing but a stereotypical Turkish fascist. Usually his posts just go by unnoticed and uncommented, which made me wonder if I was the only one who could see them.

I noticed.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Al-Saqr posted:

yeah, funny how now that it's not filthy Arabs who made the mistake of having all of their leftists and socialists murdered en masse then having islamists in their ranks because everybody else literally died given the death machine coming after them and being murdered by the thousands and gassed, suddenly the empathy meter turns on for some people here once it's an ethnicity they dont find fundamentally abhorrent. how surprising.

You can repeat this lie 10000 times; it's never going to be true. There are also leftist and socialist Arabs still fighting - however most came down on the side of the regime.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
In a press release issued on Sunday, the Coalition said that it “has repeatedly called upon terrorist organizations, including the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), to withdraw its militants from Syria and pull out of the towns and villages they occupied and from which they displaced their residents as well as to stop using the Syrian people as fuel for its terrorist, reckless wars.”

“Over the past few years, however, cross-border terrorism has expanded in Syria’s north and east, taking advantage of the emergence of the ISIS extremist group and of the Assad regime’s support and its provision of an enabling environment for these groups,” the Coalition added.

“The PKK terrorist group and the front organizations it uses, including the Democratic Unionist Party (PYD), the People's Protection Units (YPG) and the repressive security agencies, are terrorist organizations. They have been carrying out repressive practices against the Syrian people from all affiliations and ethnicities. They imprison many Kurdish activists in particular, while hundred others died under torture in their prisons or in direct attacks targeting them.”

The Coalition stressed “those organizations as hostile to the revolution of the Syrian people with all their components and their aspirations for freedom, justice and equality. It is imperative, therefore, that these organization be eradicated and their danger removed from Syria and the region.”

“The Syrian National Army’s fight against armed terrorist organizations is a fundamental part of its struggle against the tyrannical regime and its allied Iranian terrorist organizations. This fight has won the support and appreciation of all Syrians who want to see security, peace, freedom and dignity prevailing in their country.”

The Coalition went on: “The Syrian people are united in their struggle against tyranny and terrorism. They appreciate the high level of coordination and support being provided by Turkish leadership and the Turkish armed forces for the battle to free Afrin and Manbij as well as the rest of towns and villages which are occupied by terrorist groups. All measures are being taken to provide maximum protection for civilians and to prevent terrorist organizations from using them as human shields.”


Well, at least they are safe in their Istanbul hotel.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Al-Saqr posted:

Yeah I'm pretty absolutist when it comes to people becoming free from a genocidal fascism

Same here. Which is why I understand choosing rear end in a top hat secular murderer gasman over organization with a bunch of dudes who openly talk about ethnic cleansing and celebrate murdering people.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
The SNC are sniveling pieces of poo poo with 0 legitimacy.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
I do, because it’s true. I understand this might be difficult to accept but the opposition has pretty much been exclusively Salafi or Hardline Sunni Islamist since 2012.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Panzeh posted:

Nah, dude, there's plenty of neoliberal opportunists who see state controlled property and a big opportunity to make some cash.

The only left-wing faction is the PYD and it is important to stop the Ottoman imperialist project by any means necessary.

The PYD are the good guys (relative, I guess, but it's the Syrian Civil War we are talking about here.) but their reach is limited. Yeah there are non-Islamist factions of the Opposition but how much pull do they really have? On the ground in the Opposition zones it's Al-Qaeda and it's ilk that call the shots.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Volkerball posted:

It's not, you're just a racist idiot who will latch onto anything you can to whitewash the regime, and anything you can to slander its opposition. It's pretty bad when it's to the point that you're now trying to hold up a Ba'ath dictatorship as a champion of the left out of nowhere and based on nothing. Never mind all the Syrian leftists who protested against Assad and wound up in Caesars torture photos for having the audacity. Your hosed up double standard is blatantly apparent, and that's why people treat you like a dumb rear end. How about instead of spending so much time posting misinformation, you do some introspection into why you became such a racist fuckhead and why you're so afraid of Muslims.

The Syrian Communist Party and virtually all other major Socialist or Arab nationalist parties have sided with the regime. The Ba'ath themselves are theoretically a Left Wing party. This is the reality. You can either choose to accept it or you can choose to keep sticking your head in the sand. Your "Opposition" is also in the process of dismantling and destroying a Left Wing democratic movement at the behest of Turkey.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Sinteres posted:

I don't imagine Turkey's going to stop their incursion on a dime here, so it'll be interesting to see where the line ends up being drawn if this goes forward.

https://twitter.com/MIG29_/status/956186180533542913

In other news, the YPG seem to have rocketed a mosque in Turkey and killed some civilians.

I'm really apprehensive about that move, but there isn't really any other options. The Mosque thing is pretty bad - it's the last thing the PYD needs right now.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Snipee posted:

I mostly lurk in the ME threads whenever I get bored and want to see if SA might have any interesting news stories that I missed from more mainstream sources... and I can’t tell if you’re a troll. I am mostly thinking of China when I make these comments, but the trend for authoritarian nominally socialist countries can seem counterintuitive from a Cold War propagandist’s perspective. Their “right” tends to consists of nationalists and defenders of the supposedly communist regime while their “left” tends to consist of people with more cosmopolitan values, oftentimes with sympathies for some limited neoliberal reforms as a way of fighting corruption and encouraging intergration into the global capitalist system. Conservatives should be understood as people that value stability and hierarchy, not necessarily people that support free market capitalism. In authoritarian “socialist” countries, this oftentimes means defending the party-state since that’s their status quo.

I'm not trolling. Most of whatever remains of the Syrian non-PYD/YPG/SDF left are allied to the regime. I don't support them(I'm a Rojava backer) but again, this is the reality of the situation.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
This thread is also full of Liberal hawks and neocons who have remained suspiciously silent in the midst of Turkey and Al-Qaeda'sFree Syrian Army's invasion of Afrin. And I'M the Fascist supporter?

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Freezer posted:

For Bulgarians it is a God given right and duty to mess with Turkey whenever possible.

It's self-serving but the man is right.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Zombiepop posted:

Would you please source your claim? otherwise you just seem to be talking out of your rear end.
Sure you say you back Rojava, but that has nothing to do with your claim. IDGAF about what you believe in, Source your claim if you want some sort of discussion.

PFLP-GC, The Syrian Communist Party, and allied Socialists and Democratic Socialists. It’s true that this is skewed by the fact that Syrian is a dictatorship. They aren’t really a major force.

Could you provide examples of any leftist opposition parties that are not allied to the YPG/SDF?

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Al-Saqr posted:

thank goodness, for a second there I thought that fascist pilot got away. good on those rebels!

You're not supposed to kill ejecting pilots.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Again, Liberal affinity for hardline Sunni Islamists has always struck me as bizarre.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Volkerball posted:

There's a lot more people than Chomsky who try to have it both ways on this subject. I'd say most casual western leftist followers of the conflict fell into the same trap. They've come to think that promoting anti-Americanism (and to a much lesser extent, socialism) is as important as the US thought promoting anti-Communism was during some of the nastier periods in our history. People become pawns on a board, and so the value of a human life fluctuates based on ethnic, religious, political, and/or military affiliations. The innocent people caught in the middle are just sacrificial lambs for the cause. The parallels with colonial mindsets are endless. It's nothing for the left today to oppose democracy if they don't like any of the alternates to a dictatorship they align with, despite how often that offense is trotted out to demonstrate why the US is uniquely evil. They happily support Islamists like Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran, but Syrian Islamists, who had the audacity to open the door to the west, are all 100% dangerous extremists who want to destroy our way of life. They'll mock and criticize people living in some of the worst humanitarian crises in the world for being dumb enough to ask the US for help, but don't think twice about calling the domestic wing of empire for something as trivial as getting their loving iphone stolen. It's all just shamelessly americentric, morally bankrupt, hypocritical, and it makes me sick.

I'm not so bitter about it that I would oppose standing up to Turkey on behalf of Syrian Kurds out of spite for the Kurds privileged status in leftist discourse, but a lot of people need to take a long hard look in the mirror.


I didn’t support the “FSA” because I have a general aversion to ethno-religious cleansing and supremacist ideologies. Hope this helps.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Wez posted:

You mean the one party statelet built with tacit and now explicit support from a genocidal facist regime?

Lol holy poo poo. It’s another Free Salafi Army apologist.

Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
The Syrian Opposition is fraud Turkish puppet organization made up of sectarian headchoppers. They have about as much credibility as the regime does.

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Human Grand Prix
Jan 24, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
The SNC/FSA represent the will of the people*


*Does not apply to apostates (non-Sunnis)

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