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Al-Saqr posted:The Mayor of Sderot is indirectly telling Israel that they will never return to their stupid little town
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Al-Saqr posted:dam you guys i think the guy who oversaw sabra and shatila was the key to peace! And Unit 101.
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Queer Grenadier posted:https://journal-neo.su/2024/04/15/2009-us-policy-paper-planned-current-israeli-iranian-tensions/ cool, ty
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Leaving aside things like Ariel Sharon being responsible for the Sabra and Shatila massacre, his peace plan was to withdraw from Gaza but maintain a blockade around it. To slowly strangle it's population. His plan is what has been happening for the past two decades.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Don't get me wrong, under no circumstances should you "gotta hand it to" Ariel loving Sharon. Please post the evidence of Hamas targeting civilians on Oct 7
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Conspiratiorist posted:Sharon was probably the last chance for peace and it was all because he was afraid of Israel ending up multicultural like South Africa, so he genuinely pushed for a working two state solution to safeguard the ethnostate dream up until karma got him. 
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Loucks posted:Who is “we” here? I’m sure as hell not a member of the ruling class or the political elite. If you are I encourage you to exercise your power to improve matters! shut up
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:shut up he's right, and wrong. jdpon forever
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Weka posted:Please post the evidence of Hamas targeting civilians on Oct 7 You're right, I was wrong to generalize when I said Hamas on those posts 6 months ago since there are multiple Gaza militant factions and it'd be unrealistic to expect good discipline in all of them.
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Conspiratiorist posted:You're right, I was wrong to generalize when I said Hamas on those posts 6 months ago since there are multiple Gaza militant factions and it'd be unrealistic to expect good discipline in all of them. there is 0 evidence hamas intentionally killed civilians on oct 7
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one of my favorite things from early on was hasbara "finding" the operational plans on dead hamas soldiers, which mysteriously had a lot of english writing with stuff like "behead the babies". they were clearly just run off an inkjet printer that afternoon
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Al! posted:there is 0 evidence hamas intentionally killed civilians on oct 7
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Al! posted:one of my favorite things from early on was hasbara "finding" the operational plans on dead hamas soldiers, which mysteriously had a lot of english writing with stuff like "behead the babies". they were clearly just run off an inkjet printer that afternoon or the "intercepted" phone call after the hospital bombing, just the completely half assed coverups/justifications that Israel has since realized they didn't even need also the copy of Mein Kampf in a kid's room
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Joe said he personally saw every dead baby head so maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle.
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TeenageArchipelago posted:also the copy of Mein Kampf in a kid's room don't forget the pristine ipad with 100% charge and a nazi desktop that they "found" in someone's destroyed house
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Al! posted:there is 0 evidence hamas intentionally killed civilians on oct 7 off the top of my head, photos came out the same day of a group of mixed ages and genders shot at a bus stop or around a bus. so what do you mean by this? that the goal of the operation wasn't to kill civilians? that settlers aren't civilians?
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Queer Grenadier posted:https://journal-neo.su/2024/04/15/2009-us-policy-paper-planned-current-israeli-iranian-tensions/ Good article. Also includes a download of the full 170 page Brookings institute report if you want to confirm what he's saying.
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Cassian of Imola posted:off the top of my head, photos came out the same day of a group of mixed ages and genders shot at a bus stop or around a bus. so what do you mean by this? that the goal of the operation wasn't to kill civilians? that settlers aren't civilians? a settler is not a civilian no. they are a violent usurper and colonising tool (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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starting to think that the proof of hamas atrocities is just a link to the internet archive for rotten.com
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Griz posted:don't forget the pristine ipad with 100% charge and a nazi desktop that they "found" in someone's destroyed house lmfao I didn't even see that one. I did see the BBC report where Israel was walking them through one of the first hospitals that they attacked, and an extra gun appeared from one time that they were in a room to the next time they were there
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Cassian of Imola posted:off the top of my head, photos came out the same day of a group of mixed ages and genders shot at a bus stop or around a bus. so what do you mean by this? that the goal of the operation wasn't to kill civilians? that settlers aren't civilians? The goal of the operation was to take hostages, you dumbass. Civilians killed would be civilians they can't trade later.
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Cassian of Imola posted:off the top of my head, photos came out the same day of a group of mixed ages and genders shot at a bus stop or around a bus. so what do you mean by this? that the goal of the operation wasn't to kill civilians? that settlers aren't civilians? well first of all there is no evidence they were killed by hamas and not, for example the IDF who we know killed isreali citizens on purpose on october 7. no the goal was not to kill civilians but take hostages, which they were planning on trading for isreali hostages
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its actually really funny that we have proof the IDF intentionally killed isrealis but no proof hamas did
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idk I hear there were 40 decapitated babies, and Israel has never done anything to make me doubt their claims
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Orange Devil posted:Oh woe is me I'm a horrible person for having been born. materialism is a bitch
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Cassian of Imola posted:off the top of my head, photos came out the same day of a group of mixed ages and genders shot at a bus stop or around a bus. so what do you mean by this? that the goal of the operation wasn't to kill civilians? that settlers aren't civilians? There's no evidence other than what was presented by IDF or IDF statements parroted by media. I think it's fair to say there is no - credible evidence- Hamas killed civilians. We have plenty of evidence IDF murdered their own civilians via hellfire missiles and tank rounds. That's why Israel is trying to block investigation -- probably because they likely killed almost every noncombatant. We are also being way too credulous believing anything that has happened on or since Oct 7 that advantages Israel. Consent manufacturing is real and not just empty words. IDF has and continues to use all events past and present to consent manifacture for genocide. Reminder, we are talking about the same entity that is currently using quadcopter drones that blast baby crying in order to murder journalists. That summary executed hundreds of hospital patients. That target assassinates ambulance and aid workers. Whose leadership calls Palestinian amalek, human animals and actively causes famine.
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its ok to enjoy nice things and live a good life, if youre not harming others no need to flagellate yourself over where youre born and stuff. in my Ideal JDPON all shall have a nice saturday night out with the boys at chilis.
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Al! posted:he's right, and wrong. jdpon forever
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OctaMurk posted:the us foreign policy apparatus must be running completely on autopilot if they think its a good time for war with iran It is, but ruling class sociopaths and their buddies in the defense industry are making $$$$ off of the threat of war.
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Sleekly posted:a settler is not a civilian no. they are a violent usurper and colonising tool I was actually just asking that one guy what he meant but fine: settlers make up what amounts to a paramilitary but I can't really see unarmed old women and kids as anything other than civilians no matter who's using them for what. The commonly understood definition of civilian still allows for civilians to live in places where they shouldn't be living as long as they're not military or members of an organised armed group Anyway it would be a loving miracle if not one civilian got shot by the good guys on Oct 7, no matter what the plan was. If your plan is to kidnap people at gunpoint, what do you do if they resist? It's not like they brought bean bag guns and tasers with them
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Cassian of Imola posted:I can't really see unarmed old women and kids as anything other than civilians no matter who's using them for what. You would never cut it in the idf
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Stinky Wizzleteats posted:You would never cut it in the idf lol
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Cassian of Imola posted:I was actually just asking that one guy what he meant but fine: settlers make up what amounts to a paramilitary but I can't really see unarmed old women and kids as anything other than civilians no matter who's using them for what. The commonly understood definition of civilian still allows for civilians to live in places where they shouldn't be living as long as they're not military or members of an organised armed group if they resist beyond making a bit of noise or trying to run, they become a combatant. but what i mean is "surely these savage arabs must have killed women and children" is an incorrect assumption. we have no evidence they were killed by hamas and plenty of evidence they could have been killed by the idf
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on top of that the sunnah forbids killing innocents and demands ethical treatment of prisoners. hamas appears to have behaved according to their highest values
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Al! posted:if they resist beyond making a bit of noise or trying to run, they become a combatant okay officer
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Cassian of Imola posted:I was actually just asking that one guy what he meant but fine: settlers make up what amounts to a paramilitary but I can't really see unarmed old women and kids as anything other than civilians no matter who's using them for what. The commonly understood definition of civilian still allows for civilians to live in places where they shouldn't be living as long as they're not military or members of an organised armed group they regularly shoot palestinians. they are very well armed and engaged in an open campaign of land and resource theft, oppression and genocide. not civilian at all.
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I actually think most Palestinians (and people in other countries being brutally oppressed by Imperialist forces) would grieve if Western civilians were brutally set upon by military forces or otherwise cut down by the powers above them. In fact, I think the empathy of these people is probably the root of the Imperial need to oppress them. I think that's the fundamental fear of anti-socialist agents - that socialists will have empathy for the oppressed regardless of how morally pure they are. That what they want is the end of violence, not a fair distrubition of it.
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