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Saw the movie and loved it. It doesn't have the tangible weirdness of Lynch's movie, but the art direction of the movie combined with the added details spiderhands, secondus sarduaker sacrifices IMO felt truer to the overall weirdness of the books. Replacing some of the dialogue scenes with action scenes feels extravagant, because who cares about runtime, but it doesn't feel forced. Only real complaint Zendaya Dove commercial interludes. Chani is an accomplished Fremen. Why not show her doing something? Dune is its own weird-rear end science fiction entity, and this movie does a fantastic job of establishing a new and specific visual design language for it. Genuinely enjoyed the movie and can't wait for more. where da weirding modules at. Lynch is right - space kung-fu is going to look weird on screen
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To the people asking about the Fremen making shoes in the desert - once Paul "the walking computer' Atreides pulls into Sietch Tabr, his nose-brain will figure out that the Fremen are using spice to make everything. Space-hemp plastic explosives, Space-hemp stilsuits, space-hemp body wash.
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Prolonged Panorama posted:We'll see; Rabban doesn't squeeze until after he takes over again. Paul doesn't do that much in the rest of the novel after they get in with the Fremen, and even general audiences already have a pretty clear idea of what's going to happen there anyway. One big weakness of the other adaptations is how abruptly the climax happens, and that's partly because they cut a lot of the other second/third act stuff out (Hawat/Feyd/Fenring/Chani/Alia/Jessica/Harah/Gurney/Emperor/Irulan) to let the setup and Harkonnen attack have enough room to breathe in act 1. That's all out of the way now, so how else are they going to make a ~2.5 hour part 2? They could pad the action scenes, but even with that I think you've got a lot of runtime to work with. I'll be surprised if we don't flesh out the remaining cast a lot more, on top of adding Alia, Harah, Shaddam, and Irulan at the least. I still think we get Feyd, holding him for part 2 was something I thought was smart/likely as soon as we heard he wasn't cast in part 1. 100% agree with this. At 2 1/2 hours to tell half the movie, there is a huge amount of runway to bring Feyd into land. it would also be a good counterbalance to the end of Dunc part uno - Edward knifehands thinks he's about to turn the desert into an army and crush everyone in front of them. Starting off Dunc part dos with the introduction of Feyd, and the 'there is another' motif would work well cinematically. skasion posted:The bagpipe charge scene is so good and dumb, goddamn The bagpipes sliding into a synth button mash is just fantastic. although all I can think is - they folded time and space, re-entered orbit, to stab each other with machetes? Damnit Warhammer 40k get outta here Vampire Panties fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Oct 24, 2021 |
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Ingmar terdman posted:One of the major upshots of them making 1-2 sequels would be tons of javier bardem Wanna see Stilgar use the pneumatic spice gun
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:on my second go around i realized that the "a dream is a message from beyond" or whatever noise text thing that happens before the WB logo isn't just some part of the pre-film dolby sound advertisment, but prolly some weird ixian or tleilaxu poo poo that villaneuve just threw in to be a dope rear end weirdo It sounds like Sardaukar. punishedkissinger posted:This looks insanely dangerous to other people too right? If they all have personal shields, they would just be comically tossed aside. Alternatively, it seems like thopter blades only go up and down, so you could get pretty close and be OK. It also seems like they generate lift instead of thrust (from the lack of billowing dust plumes when landing) so there's probably not a lot of risk of flying debris.
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Groovelord Neato posted:I want an ornithopter flight sim so bad. Give me an X-wing Fremen / TIE Fighter Harkonnen campaign. DLC is the Jihad
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Oct 24, 2021 20:25
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zoux posted:There's very little added, I think where failed adaptations fail is generally through addition rather than subtraction. Thats an interesting point, and potentially why the pacing on the movie feels so off. What got cut out was cut out completely. What remained was embellished. So for all the gently caress-spiders and Sardaukar sacrifices mentats are not mentioned by name in the movie. Its like Villenueve took the first book and broke it down into plot points, and then broke those points down into highlights, split it in half chronologically, and then filled in the blanks to create the rest of the movie.
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Re: Imperial conditioning. Maybe I'm hallucinating, but I seem to remember that his wife being captured by the Harkonenns was a known thing, like Jessica said something in passing to Yueh about his poor wife. It was my understanding that everyone considered the Imperial conditioning to be so absolute that everyone was like 'yeah, bummer about your wife... so you gonna give me a chair massage or what?'
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Ingmar terdman posted:Love upending a bunch of carefully constructed math problems is def dunc Pure, raw, Dunc. Jessica's love of  upends the carefully constructed problem of Alia being a non-conscious fetus I'm not really sure how that gets addressed in a modern movie. Like straight up, the theme and idea behind all of that is so antithetical to modern society that I don't get how its approached. EDIT - Jessica knew what she was doing, full stop, and just drank that worm-drank. Its been a while since I've read the book, and Dune 1984 drops the ball, but I guess I just don't understand Jessica's motivation. Vampire Panties fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Oct 25, 2021 |
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Oct 25, 2021 23:07
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:As did Margot Fenring. doesnt the current, old, dying RevMo freak out when she finds out that Jessica is pregnant, but its way too late and they're already high AF? In a weird rear end book, its an extremely weird plot point. IIRC the mechanism of Abomination is introduced roughly .02 seconds before Jessica is like welp its time
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Oct 25, 2021 23:20
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The Bloop posted:I guess I missed that they were making a series called Dune: The Sisterhood on HBO about the Bene Gesserit Its very specifically this, from my understanding.  at failson - dad's biggest hit is about weirdos doing drugs in the desert and you can't carry the tune to save your life.
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Oct 26, 2021 19:01
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ChubbyChecker posted:they use the mentats as nintendos Paul throws down the controller, storms out of the room crying Thufir chases after him 'Young master! Young master! You fight when the necessity arises! Now come back and finish Shotgun Snipers!'
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Oct 27, 2021 23:42
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I have never seen the SyFy series and it looks like I never will
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B1nfv65xQY&t=18s Watch this, or read Dune Messiah? read dunc in high school, legit was a grown rear end man before i knew there were more. whoops
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Tree Bucket posted:Dune's world is endlessly bizarre, but it has just enough of reality's texture that our brains are lulled into puzzling out details like worm ecology or plastics manufacturing infrastructure. People have developed the unimaginable technology to fold time and space accurately and repeatedly. They use this technology to fly to other worlds and hit each other with swords, because reasons.
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Oct 31, 2021 16:45
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MrL_JaKiri posted:That's a Lynch movie thing, not a book thing If you had to choose between one lynch thing for new Dunc milking the poison cat or heartplugs
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Nov 1, 2021 17:44
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Turrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:What was the biggest lol of the movie to you? Dave Bautista visibly working himself up to behead the captured Atredies troops. Its hot, he's tired, his mascara is running, and now he's gotta chop up a big ole line of soldiers.
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Antiquated Pants posted:To be fair, she had a son against the plans of the BG then went against their traditions by training him, eventually bringing about the Kwisatz Haderach. She was kind of a poo poo Bene Gesserit. It was a big clash from the previous presentations of the book, but IMO it worked. It's also preferable to the endless narration/internal monologue of Dune 1984. Also this is probably a very broad generalization on my part, but IMO Rebecca Ferguson does intense/scared really well, so it sorta made sense that they would bring that into Dunc. That entire scene could have been clarified though - its presented as the BG gatekeeping Paul in his journey to become Kwisatz Haderach, when in reality the BG were there to assess the mess Jessica had made and figure out of their plans were salvageable. The test wasnt to see if he would become the KH, it was more of a pass/fail to see if their genetics program could continue with him.
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At a kerjillion solarii per microgram, I'm certain there is a healthy and sizeable underground spice market. Maybe not spelled out so much in Dunc, but in the book & Dune 1984 it seemed like the Spacing Guild looked the other way on just about anything as long as the spice flowed. So yeah they could afford to get some sort of weird future space-cat-poo poo coffee to mix with their wormpoop hash and really just go nuts
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Dunc thoughts- Yueh could've just gone to Jessica and 'betrayed' himself. Leto is honorable; they could've set a trap for the Harkonenns. The whole setup is so Yueh can murder the Baron to get revenge for his wife Did he think he needed permission to do that? Or did he think Leto would gently caress it up? yes, Yueh was specifically looking for release for Wanna, and I suppose if they somehow entrapped the Baron then maybe that wouldn't have happened. However it seems like Yueh is all but confirmed that she's dead anyway, and betraying himself to Jessica would both enable his plan and allow Imperial conditioning to remain intact
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How does woods porn work on a desert planet Do spice blows intermittently rain Hustler
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Fremen - Why does this 'rain' smell like the Water Of Life? Sardarkaur troops - Why does this rain smell like bleach? Mua'dib - 
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Do the Bene Gesserit use the Water of Life? Jessica seemed familiar with it during the Reverend Mother transformation, but it seems weird that the BG are smuggling baby worms off-planet to drown them and get real high off their death-juice. Is there a way to manually distill spice?
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Earwicker posted:i have to admit. while i still overall prefer the lynch version and i am a sound designer and love the idea of sonic weaponry in a scifi setting I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I think Lynch may have just been saving himself some work. Dunc briefly shows weirding way fighting, and even with DV directing and 2021 technology it looks like dance fighting. In 1984 I have no idea how space kung fu could've been portrayed in any way that makes sense visually. Plus we got this scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQeP6GWU0e4
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skasion posted:There’s not really any such thing as “the weirding way”. “Weirding” is just the Fremen way of referring to offplanet things that strike them as sinister, magical and powerful. The wet conservatory in the governor’s palace is a “weirding room” to the Fremen for the same reason that Jessica is a “weirding woman” for kicking Stilgar’s rear end and that the Voice is a “weirding voice”. That is, because it’s weird that she could do that. When the Fremen talk about the “weirding way” Paul taught them they just mean that he instructed them in Atreides and BG combat styles which made them better at fighting, but they also mean that they themselves invest this training with a quality of magic.  Although correct in how the Fremen use the term Weirding, there is a Bene Gesserit martial arts called The Weirding Way. The idea is that through intense mental focus, the user can move so fast that it appears they're teleporting. From my understanding its not so much a style of knife fighting, more like improving your current knife fighting by being able to teleport. it was the kicker that took the Fremen from being badass to supremely badass. There's two demonstrations of it in the new Dunc Paul sees himself using it during the stiltent prophecy scene, where he is dance fighting over the sardaurkar and his visor pops up. and technically Jessica was supposed to use it when she flipped over Stilgar at the end, but it just sorta looks like regular fighting They should've used the 6 million dollar man bionic sound effect when it happened
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YoursTruly posted:Do Fremen armies use shields while going on Jihad? I see them just announcing to a planet that they're just going to land and start stabbin', and if anyone uses a shield, just lasgun it and blow up the place Death Star style. Good questions. Fremen 100% do not use shields on Arrakis; Shields attract worms. i don't know if its perfectly spelled out in the books, but I would assume that they adopt shields during the Jihad. IIRC re: Jihad, I think a lot of the fighting was like the battle of Arrakeen. A lotta Fremen dropping in from orbit over noble houses to wipe out noble armies. IIRC there is some mention of the people rising up to support the Jihad, so it wasn't the same as conquering the known universe. IIRC the noble houses use whatever they possibly can to stop the jihad: shield+lasguns, traditional explosives, house atomics which I'm not clear about - the 2nd book mentions stone burners. I believe that they're different than house atomics, insomuch that stone burners are far more prevalent and were used industrially? I'm 100% not the expert in this thread, but I believe actual descriptions about Fremen fighting get dropped after Arrakis, so its all a little subjective.
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uber_stoat posted:number 2 and 3 imports into Arrakis after coffee are bleach and white vinegar. They sandblast everything. Have you ever seen paper in a sietch? They sandblast everything
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I don't think its Wanna; I think its a set piece to establish that the harkonenns aren't human, they're BRUTAL and to add credence to Yueh betraying them.
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I'm a dum-dum IT guy, but I feel like room-temperature superconducting loops and perfect insulators could make a stilsuit possible. Alternatively, power them off whatever powers the personal shields
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Nessus posted:I think the chain of events is that originally they used space folding plus computers. Then they had the jihad which meant no or very basic computers, which meant they pretty much had to follow rote patterns and still had hellacious losses. Then the Guild figured out how to get cranked and used prescience instead of computers. I really wish they'd go into more detail about the smoked whale fur step. I guess if you have a drug that can make you even a tiny bit prescient, you could use that drug to find other drugs that make you more prescient? Like how did those dudes figure out that eating worm poop from an uninhabitable worm planet does all the poo poo it does?
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Much like real life, stealth bombers don't work in sand. 
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Greggster posted:Humans will literally do _anything_ to try and get high, and that includes eating the poo from gigantic worms that inhabit remote, uninhabitable planets. Do we know that zensunni migrants aren't descendants of the Burning Man diaspora? phasmid posted:ok you got me, whyzat? I dont actually know why dunc-bomber wasn't on Arrakis. Re gulf war stealth bombers - the coating on F-117 and B-2 planes can't get wet, or at least couldn't then. They also require special hangers, and IIRC the b-2 was so finnicky that whenever it was used they just flew the mission from the US. Pretty much every problem the F-35 has, it inherited from a previous bird.
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Thoughts - are fremen bad rear end because they're just way loving older than everyone else? if spice triples your lifespan, there could be fremen who would've been fighting the Harkonnens the entirety of their 80 years of occupation - if spice addiction gives you the eyes of ibad, why don't all the nobles have it, or the BG? Specifically, I would assume that the Baron would be heavily addicted, as well as Glossu Rabban, but wouldnt Leto have already been deep into the stuff as a noble? Wouldn't the BG reverend mothers have it as well?
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So eyes of ibad = methmouth? Thinking about the spice further - the BG Reverend Mother process is one way to obtain prescience, but its sketchy and requires years of BG training at a minimum. How do Guild Navigators do it? Are they literally just marinating in spicy meringue farts until their inner eye is open / they have fish faces? Could the BG have locked a mentat in a fart locker and came out with a KH figure on the spot?
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 'Stilgar, one thing that bothered me when I was watching the filmbook. It said that rhythym attracted the worms. Does that mean.. ANY rhythym?" 'Yes, Usul. Many fedaykin have been lost to Chili night'
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priznat posted:Some interesting DUNC content from these FX guys, comparing Lynch Dune with Villeneuve’s Thank you, this is a really fascinating breakdown of Dune 1984. hand-drawn shields!!!!!!!!
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priznat posted:Yah that surprised me too!! Also the shot of the ships, wow. yes! These sorts of details make my sympathize with Lucas and his compulsion to do an entirely digital movie. On the other hand, they literally just don't make them like they used to.
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No Mods No Masters posted:I think part of the problem is we're told the fremen have agriculture, industry, high degree of societal complexity and specialization, etc. but not really shown it well enough to any extent. So people end up basically just not believing the exposition and ignoring it Herbert does a bad job of this. He makes it a point to show that Fremen manufacture all their own gear, and its the bestest, but completely and utterly handwaves any of the mechanisms which would show from an industrialized society. IIRC one or two lines in the book when Paul 'the Nose' Atredies walks into Sietch Tabr and figures out that they cook crack there. Herbert should've said that the worms molt stilsuits. Re: hard times - hard men thing, I felt that understanding was one of the core tenants of the Fremen. I.e. all the Fremen believed that the suffering they were doing on Arrakis was righteous, as an internal explanation on why Fremen didn't grab a handful of spice and hop ship to to the hand-spider planet. sean10mm posted:What's actually interesting about the Fremen is that they're the only faction with a noble motive, to literally make a better world for future generations to live on. Maybe i just got this wrong from Lynch-Dune, but it was my understanding that Paul purposefully left Dune the way it was so that Arrakis would always make more Fremen. ("I leave Arrakis to the fighters!") In the same coin thats why he promised to terraform Salunda Secundus - not to make it a nicer prison for the Empreror, but so they couldn't make Sardaurkar there. It was also my understanding that this is what the Fremen wanted - they needed Arrakis as a place to test them... although reading itt about the KH being the one who shortens the way, and reading what happens in later books... I guess I got that wrong? Of course, the entire idea of Nietzesian "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" has been proven wrong at every level. Even Herbert isn't consistent with it - Atredies legions were feared because they were trained by effective & compassionate leaders. Not because they turned part of Caladan into a hellpit. Vampire Panties fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Nov 16, 2021 |
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I serve one master, and its Pee-Halud! ~* bangs thighpad rhythmically *~
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Thufir Hawat says it costs 1.4m solarii to drag 3 guild navigators and retinue out to Caladan. I dont have the book in front of me, but google says 10g of primo spice could go for up to 620k solarii. So the big expensive trip could be paid for with an 8 ball. Losing picograms would be considered a setback with that kind of value. OTOH, humanity is supposed to rule the universe at that point. thousands and thousands and thousands of worlds and all of them need spice to make their trade networks function. Spice comes from exactly one place, and exactly one way - flying dudes in and having them grab as much as possible before the worms get them. Honestly the only unrealistic part is they don't show wildcat miners or smugglers, because with that kind of value somebody would figure out a way to grift. EDIT - the Fremen are the wildcat miners. They smuggle that poo poo off world to the Spacing Guild. I wonder how much spice the Guild actually hauls out of there, because those dudes walking around in their freebase helmets have a street value in the billions.
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