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Was close to dropping this after the second episode, but I powered through trusting Yuasa's vision and boy did he ever deliver. Binged the back half of the show in one day and loved every moment of it. Glad I didn't really try to complain anywhere earlier, because when the series is taken as a whole my complaints are bad and wrong. So glad this didn't air weekly, or I might not have stuck through this extremely good and gay anime.
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So over the past week my gf and I went from being vaguely aware that Devilman is some old series to watching all of Crybaby, preordering the original manga's rerelease, are currently watching the ovas, and planning to watch the vs Cyborg 009 movie since it's also on netflix. Anything else Devilman branded worth checking out? I know to avoid Lady.
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Alan_Shore posted:Nice! What did you think of the OVAs? Don't forget to watch the Chibi world after,same studio and style! The OVAs were good and fun, but (and maybe this is bias from seeing Crybaby first) I felt like I enjoyed all the changes Yuasa made more. I think he improved the feel and flow of the series a lot with what he did. I still enjoyed the OVAs tho, and I'm glad they exist. Rigged Death Trap posted:Amon: Apocalypse of Devilman is another one I'll put that and the chibi world on our list and I guess that'll be it for our Devilman dive. Kinda interested in Violence Jack, tho. Is the manga for that any good? I really like this series and it's incredible how it feels like everything has taken inspiration from Devilman in some shape or form.
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Jan 23, 2018 21:42
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Jan 23, 2018 23:02
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Nina posted:Apocalypse of Devilman sucks specifically because Devilman has weird chitin pants instead of hair pants "worst piece of devilman media we've seen so far Crybaby Akira: Hair pants, super gay Amon Akira: Dumb pants, a filthy straightie" quoting this from you as we watched because it's a better description than i'd ever come up with
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Jan 24, 2018 22:01
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Amon is sort of near the ending, but it doesn't actually reach the ending stuff so it just ends up being a toothless vertical slice of the story that lacks in pathos and feels like a pointless combat scene. I don't completely hate it, but it's the least enthused I've been from the 3 adaptations I've seen so far (the other two being the OVAs and Crybaby, of course)
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Jan 24, 2018 22:24
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DisDisDis posted:It's not hard to figure out what the purpose of the horny catgirl in the porn vhs is though Please elaborate.
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Jan 25, 2018 01:53
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ngl i annoyed my gf saying that like...at least once per episode
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Jan 25, 2018 03:37
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Expect My Mom posted:if fusing with a demon let me grow like four inches taller and bigger breasts, Hell The gently caress Yeah I actually don't think it grew her breasts any bigger. They were big honkers already, she just seemed more confident about them after.
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Jan 25, 2018 03:43
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DisDisDis posted:Much like when reading postmodernist fiction you have to let everything that happens in Eromanga-Sensei wash over you and try to make sense of it later i'd really rather not
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Jan 25, 2018 04:31
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dogsicle posted:netflix has rear end video quality, also the bluray comes with exclusive goods and is an additional way for me to support yuasa these seem like the most important reasons. especially the last one. i'm of a mind that it's important to show support to media creators who are creating content you enjoy. it fuels the cycle so they can keep it up. that said, i'm not in a position to spend that much money myself right now. but it does look nice.
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Bust Rodd posted:
neither of these are anime things and are just as common in western media
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Expect My Mom posted:also ed owns also  she's easily the best character in the show
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Jan 27, 2018 18:03
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Expect My Mom posted:only tangentially related, but I love when people expect Bebop and Samurai Champloo to take themselves seriously 100% of the time when so much Watanabe stuff is just goofy as hell as it is cool. I have never heard someone expect Champloo to be completely serious. At least not after the first episode. It's just an inherently goofy (and fantastic) show. Bebop, yeah. I've heard quite a few people try and take it seriously 100% of the time. e: since we're talking about Champloo, here's a video to make it relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZCofrW0am0 Xinder fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Jan 27, 2018 |
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DisDisDis posted:I know we're having this mostly offtopic argument and that's valid and I'm enjoying it a lot but I wanted to bring up this example of one of the classics of "they're not lesbians" posting because I think we kinda glossed over it. A lot of arguments are common to both men and women but this one in particular is incredibly frequent just with women, that romantic love between them is somehow less powerful than friendship/platonic and/or that their friendship is invalidated by their romantic feelings. Them being lesbians is "less radical" lol Yeah, I read through the whole thread before I started posting and didn't want to bring this back up but holy poo poo was that ever a terrible post that infuriated me. For pretty much all the reasons you described here. Watching people try to bend over backwards to disprove the obvious lesbians was painful. e: Someone tried to push a trans reading on Miko and while I would support that usually, they were arguing it on the basis of her becoming more "masculine" when in fact she only became more confident, and I definitely don't like assigning confidence as a masculine trait. And also it was clear that making Miko a trans man would make them more comfortable with the relationship because at least they wouldn't be lesbians anymore. Xinder fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Jan 27, 2018 |
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Jan 27, 2018 22:07
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Ignoring everything else for the moment because hoo boy,Pener Kropoopkin posted:She even has the exact same physical dimensions as the other two devilmen. Maybe because those are the three devilmen we actually focus on in any capacity in the show? Maybe those are aspects of being a devilman and not of masculinity??
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Jan 28, 2018 04:59
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Well, overthrowing gender norms in order to defy the confines of cissexuality is an essential element of being gender queer. And yet you seem unable to move away from gender norms. Hence why you're getting such blowback on this. quote:If it was just a matter of Miko being gay, she wouldn't need to be equal to Akira and Koda in both character and physicality. I don't see how this follows. She's a devilman just like those two, so of course she's going to exhibit similar changes to her character and physique. The boost to her confidence/assertiveness is probably how she found it in herself to reconcile that her feelings were gay and not hatred. quote:It's explicit that Akira and Koda underwent a hypermasculine transformation when they became devilmen, so the masculine dimensions of the demonic transition are undeniable. It's explicit that they both became very sexual and violent and aggressive, yeah. So did Miko, but those aren't uniquely masculine traits. I'd grant you something here, but I still don't think you're arguing in good faith so I deny you even this much. I draw ire with your read of this on a personal level because I'm in love with a trans girl and I find I am forced to often confront her fears of "being too masculine". The way you read certain traits as being specifically masculine undermines her identity as a woman, which genuinely upsets me. Your arguments imply that a girl can't be sporty and confident without surrendering femininity.
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Jan 28, 2018 05:27
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The Colonel posted:what does it mean if i dream of being a buff, confident badass who knows karate and also has big-rear end titties Means you have pleasant dreams. I wish you all the luck in fulfilling them.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The relation to gender norms is exactly what makes being transgender so transgressive, by defying the proscribed characteristics of the inborn sex to embody the traits of the opposite. Have you been around since the 90s? Being trans doesn't mean you're immediately the exact opposite of all other women. You continue to accuse others of being reductive when you're the one who keeps pushing that if one acts a certain way, they must be a man. Gender is a fuckton more complicated than that and I highly suggest doing some learning, because if this is your attempt to be an ally you're doing a piss-poor job of it. quote:She isn't just confident and assertive, she's physically & characteristically intimidating and aggressive. She even intimidates the girl in the locker room into running away by displaying physical dominance. Yeah, that's cool. Ladies can do that. quote:The transgender and gender queer interpretation is informed by the context of the changes she undergoes from the pre-devilman stage. Before she becomes a devilman Miko is the most feminine character in the show, and after becoming a devilman she's physically and characteristically equal to the male devilmen. If achieving physical and social equality with men isn't an important element of being a trans man, then what is? She goes from reserved to confident. She has the confidence to confront herself and understand who she is as a person. She changes because she becomes a devilman but she isn't also becoming a man. The last sentence there is pretty decent, though. quote:Your girlfriend is preoccupied with her feminity because she wants to be a woman. It's important to show that she can be a woman while also having some masculine characteristics, because nobody is exclusively one way or the other unless they're attempting to embody toxic masculinity. Cool job taking the one insecurity about her I shared and deciding you know who she is as a person. Also cool job with the word wants which isn't demeaning at all and implicative that she isn't actually a woman. You should maybe actually interact with trans people instead of being dismissive of them by telling actual trans people "No, this is how trans people are."
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yeah ngl that sentence right there has made me probably too angry to continue this argument with any decency so i should probably just go to bed before i say something i regret
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New, from the man who pretends to know what the word "gaslight" means, it's time to double down on pretending to know about trans people:Pener Kropoopkin posted:I interact with trans people all the time, and their preoccupation with gender expression is rooted in the insecurities from social pressures to cissexually conform. It's society that's incongruous with their identity, not themselves. It's insecurity that's informed by social repression. I lied about going to bed. You're a real piece of work, Pener.
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Jan 28, 2018 06:24
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The need for social affirmation in woman-being and man-being is critically important, and while it's certainly possible to be confident and express a gender identity regardlesss of what society thinks, not everyone can do that. Some people do need that social affirmation, and it's perfectly understandable why your girlfriend is so insecure about being misinterpreted. It's heartbreaking how often I see my trans friends bemoaning that they'll never truly be women, because they think it's impossible for society to accept them as they are. An excellent backpedal, but can he stick the landing?
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Look, man. I'll level with you. I brought up my gf because I thought that by understanding why this was sensitive to me you might be able to understand what you're doing wrong. I was wrong to do so, because I was treating you like a decent human being at the time. Your words since then have proven to me that you are anything but. The way I see it, we have one of two options here: 1. You're lying about knowing trans people to win internet points in an internet argument 2. You're a horrible hateful manipulative person who can actually interact with trans people and call them friends, but will still say poo poo like "she wants to be a woman" as if that's okay. I really hope it's 1.
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Jenny Angel posted:Oh right, Pener asked earlier how you can have a character that supports a compelling trans reading without being grounded in gender essentialism, and I kinda blew past that lovely but slightly interesting question. In the interest of acting in at least a little bit of good faith, here is one such character: Neo, from The Matrix Just quoting this now because it's a really good post.
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Expect My Mom posted:loving awesome poo poo to pull a "i'm sorry you're sensitive what i said offended you" move dude, just some primo work right here, absolutely killing it tonight, tiger at this point i've graduated from normal anger to that kind of "i'm laughing, but i'm actually still kinda mad on the inside" so here's this good video instead so i'm not just being negative constantly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJzM6MqveaA
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Jenny Angel posted:[watching the protagonist of a work written and directed by two trans women, whose arc involves realizing a deeply transgressive and transformative truth about themselves and finding radical acceptance within a subaltern and aesthetically countercultural community, with the main conflict coming from a group that makes heavy use of restrictive Western patriarchal motifs in their visual coding and also insists on calling the protagonist a name that was assigned by a flawed system and the protagonist no longer identifies with... a 'dead name', if you will] This is trans... humanism? I've been meaning to some day try and watch the sequels and see if i can find some way in which they also carry that subtext. but i kinda don't want to, and also i really doubt they do.
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Jenny Angel posted:You guys are being really kind to me and I genuinely appreciate it a lot. It reminds me of the theme of humanity's best instincts managing to persist in even the bleakest of times, as expressed by one of my favorite animes, Devilman Crybaby In the interest of continuing kindness, here is a good video of whom i believe to be your favorite character https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM3lVxvf-sk
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Jenny Angel posted:Real talk, if I hadn't just dropped money on this beautiful Tetsuya Naito avatar, I'd be rocking this My gf and I have matching steam avatars actually mine:  hers:  we can't resist a good theme
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I wish there was more penis in Crybaby, but I appreciate that if there had to be only one it was Satan's
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Nina posted:Actually let’s build one this. The entire plot starts off as characters trying to adjust their selves in this social dynamic where they’re stuck between the contexts of two norms as a human and a demon, eventually Akira and Miko embrace this and develop strong identities based on their non-conforming existences (while Koda just kinda gives in to a society’s demands to avoid pain) and ultimately their enemies become those who insist they’re one or the other and commit violence upon them solely based on who they are. The good guys are the ones who accept ”if you say you’re a devilman of course you’re a devilman.” A trans reading of Devilman Crybaby that doesn't utilize gender essentialism. Thank you very much for this.
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It's true that some people engage in heterosexual relationships for sometimes long periods of time before coming to terms with their homosexuality, and that doesn't diminish that either. but miko is probably bi yea
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Raxivace posted:Wait a second how can Miko be a human and also a devil? because she's a lesbian!
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Darth Walrus posted:Seen a few lesbians online chatting about how her behaviour fits with their own when they were in the closet - for instance, their take is that fantasising about being Miki during sex was the most socially-acceptable way for her to wrap her brain around the fact that she simply wanted to see Miki having sex (ideally with her). There’s also the general framing of all her relationships with men as destructive and unfulfilling (it’s implied that she ate the rapper dude) and her only relationship with a woman as wholesome, romantic, and redemptive. I brought up this possibility earlier, but I'm not close to that many non-bi gay girls so I wasn't sure how much it resonated with them. It was easier for me to assume bi without that frame of reference on hand. btw are said conversations on twitter or something where i can see them? not doubting you, just interested to see them for myself.
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Darth Walrus posted:On Twitter, yeah, but since it’s been a while, and the site is hideous to navigate, I’d have a tough time trancing it down. Yeah, I only asked because I enjoy reading people talk about a show in a way I hadn't considered before. Don't stress yourself trying to find it on my account or anything. e: I'm not discounting Endorph either. That's just one post saying a thing, not a whole conversation between multiple people which is likely to be more in depth and interesting to ingest as an outsider in this specific instance. Xinder fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Jan 28, 2018 |
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Crybaby and Antarctica are both real good, but I'll hand it to Crybaby thus far for staying on my mind so hard. Maybe by the end of the season my mind will change, though. I love Pop Team Epic but it just doesn't have staying power in my mind like the other two I actually bother to watch this season.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:i am a child for laughing at this "the boob" is the only part that really got me. But it got me good.
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Everyone deserves an old friend like Ryo.
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