Yandat posted:

shut the gently caress up you awful loving person

thatfatkid posted:

Has anyone here actually read the bellingcat "investigative report" of the alleged chemical attack in Douma? It's the most blatant agenda pushing "investigation" that could possibly be put together and all of it based off of hearsay and testimony of one very biased party.

SickZip posted:

seeing a D&D poster call a syrian christian a "white liberal" for supporting assad is the first internet comment thats made me angry in a decade.

viral spiral posted:

That would be America, actually

rudatron posted:

I wanted him to explain what he meant in that post i quoted

Like i don't follow the logic

mila kunis posted:

i remember when the sauds hit water infrastructure in yemen and there was a bellingcat report that was like "we cant possibly know for certain who did this".

Objective Web Site Bellingcat Dot Com posted:

Does the KSA have a motive for attacking the plant? If the plant was still supplying the contested held city of Taʿizz and parts of Houthi-held territory, then perhaps its destruction would force the Houthis to move. Alternately, the plant could have been used as a firing position by Houthis, making it a military target, as the KSA has claimed before when it targeted an alleged water facility in Yemen (see the bullet points listed below on earlier attacks on water infrastructure).

The Taʿizz coast is quite barren. There is Mocha, a few ports, and this desalination facility, which is quite easily identifiable – as demonstrated in this article. If the plant was being used as a position from which to fire on Saudi or Yemeni government forces that would make it a legitimate target. 

HorrificExistence posted:

way to quote mine

the next loving line


and then a list of Saudi atrocities


and the conclusion

Flavahbeast posted:

Where at? All I could find was this post from a couple months ago:

THS posted:

the mod to think-tank pipeline which we all know and love

THS posted:

what does that mean

Atrocious Joe posted:

NED was literally founded to fund soft-power stuff that the CIA was considered too toxic to be involved with after the Church Committee hearings. I think funding from them is suspect enough.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...sUzL/story.html

Flavahbeast posted:

Maybe he believes in what he's doing and is posting in good faith

THS posted:

i absolutely can believe he’s pro imperialist and believes in what he’s doing. the CIA doesn’t have to control him in some secret way because they wouldn’t have to. he’s a true believer.

THS posted:

there was a good radio war nerd episode recently with max abrahms and at one point john dolan asks him if behind closed doors, like especially after the iraq war and stuff, if they know they are full of poo poo or that their ideology might have problems. and max abrahms is like, no, not even a little bit. behind closed doors they think their terrible psychotic worldviews are unassailable

anyway thats why there will be no mercy when the potomac runs red and the suburbs of DC burn

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

I have literally never cheer-leaded any US intervention into anything. The only recent US interventions I view even remotely semi positively are the gulf war and Kosovo.

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

BM is biased in the same sense the every other journalist is biased, but that doesn't mean you can treat his findings and the posts of, say, partisangirl or Mark Ames, with the same validity. Especially when the latter put out deliberately misleading and disingenuously framed content on the regular.

all perspectives are biased but not all perspectives are equally valid. unless you can show the bellingcat are US government stooges, I don't see why I should disregard his reporting out of hand, the way I would for some of the people regularly posted in this thread.

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

That and the media has a free hand to publish anything it feels like about Iran, Venezuela, the DPRK or Syria with full confidence that no one will object.

comedyblissoption posted:

RIICHI

quote:

Actually, I haven't seen anything that convinces me the Iranians are there at all.

The linked article references Ashoura-class and Zolfaqar-class speedboats. There's no mention of a Gashti-class or model. The only image resembling the boat pictured is linked to a dead video stream. Perhaps Gashti is a sub-type of Ashoura? We have no idea.

Either way, both patrol boats aren't exactly maritime archetypes. They're pretty generic speedboat designs adapted in specifically Iranian ways. If you can manufacture any fiberglass powerboat, you can probably knock together something that looks like the boat in the picture.

Assuming all the Iranian speedboats are even accounted for. I don't see any VIN markings on the allegedly Iranian vessel either. The US equivalent: Are we talking about the USS Cole or the USS McCain? That should be a pretty easy question to answer. Especially when you have image enough to spot a supposed limpet mine.

That's assuming the images are real at all. The special effects crew from "Enemy of the State" put together better work back in 1998.

Nope. Not buying it. I'm just as convinced US or Saudi impostors were trying to remove a mine they knew would reveal their espionage. There's absolutely no reason right now to believe one account anymore than the other. Actually, based on recent events, you can discount US and Saudi credibility quite substantially.

gradenko_2000 posted:

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Nurge posted:

Brown Moses is cool, and good. I get that most of you have never seen actual journalism, but it's loving hilarious that people expect by default for reporters to cheer for some loving team. You're all idiots.