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Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
Full Communism (In Canada)........Now!

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Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
For me, I think it's purely about leadership style, or lack thereof. I recently got promoted (second rung of the ladder, woo!) at a large warehouse, for a delivery company. Somebody else got a similar promotion, and it's funny to me how different our styles are. Whereas myself, of course (see username), puts the people I'm responsible for first, protecting them for undue criticism or assisting them personally when conditions require, his style is much more managerial. "This person is doing this wrong, this person needs to start doing this more," etc. and communicating that up the chain, so that higher management starts cracking down.
But nobody is as dumb as to not realise where the complaints are coming from, so the people on the line have started to resent that. So now people that may have only needed a gentle reminder of their responsibilities, or perhaps a short period of help so they can focus on a separate, more time sensitive responsibility, are finding themselves under greater and greater criticism, and resenting their immediate supervisor for doing more observing them for mistakes than helping them not make them. At a certain point, they may even start internalising that criticism, which causes them to start doubting themselves, and the work falls off even more.
You can either be a leader or a manager, a leader leads from example, and a manager regards their workers as cogs that must be made to fit, and perhaps use the hammer (of disciplinary tools) to fit. I've actually had my supervisor saying that I've been helping too much, that people are going to rely on me and start slacking off, but I disagree. If you work hard, and they see you working hard, they'll appreciate it. If you are unable to help at a certain time because of other responsibilities, they'll be more likely to pick up the slack, not less, because they appreciate your help, they don't want you to get in trouble, and they know that if they make mistakes, it will be communicated to them personally, in a congenial way.
Everybody likes being complimented, especially if it is a result of them trying to work harder. Before they have any chance of getting better, they have to believe they can get better, and if they trust you, they'll listen when you say how they can get better, and when you compliment them on their improvement.

Of course, it's not purely about leadership style, as a marxist I have to look at the material conditions, which are paramount. I'm helped in my style because I will always take the workers side against management, unless it's a behaviour so explicitly and purposely ruinous that I can't do anything to protect them, despite efforts. If they are unable to focus because they are starving, (a scenario I've heard affects young disadvantaged children in school) then that is a material condition that needs to be corrected first, before style comes into it. If boozing is practically the only thing to do, then there should be more productive (or fun!) things to do in that community.
As it results to the topic at hand, shouldn't their supervisors know that they're going to miss work for the pow-wow, or be getting drinks with them after work, after a good day's work, as motivation to show up sober, rather than sneering down their noses at "the others" and showing no ability to emphasize. And yes, even being able to forgive errors is helpful in the long term, since everyone makes mistakes or has bad days.

Lastly, capitalism delenda est.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!

Reince Penis posted:

Hey Canada thread I had a good lol today about article 302 of the Royal Legion manual (section 3 being Membership)


I was thinking of going over to shoot some pool an drink beer but I guess I'm not welcome.
I don't think you're under an obligation to be a member to drink beer and play pool. Unless I'm an undercover subversive.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
Pretty handy to have a map of the best places in Ontario, though.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
I wonder when more people are going to realise that they are basically pulling off bad cop good cop on us. All of our elections are choosing whether you want it raw, or with some lube.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
Yeah, but how do we improve it? More red? I'm pretty sure replacing the white with black would look terrible. Maybe a star instead of a leaf?

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
Anyone going to one of the solidarity rallies? I might go to the one in Vancouver.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!

Risky Bisquick posted:

How about you split the difference with your concern troll and disarm whites and leave cops and poc with guns. I bet you’d go for that :jerkbag:

It's kind of funny that poc and cop are palindromes. I don't think anyone should ignore that in our current society the people who decide who gets to have firearms and who doesn't are, if not the rich and capitalists, their bootlickers.
Ignoring the fact that a governor who got support from the NRA and ended up introducing restrictive gun laws because there was a marxist-based minority group that knew the law and tried to defend themselves.
The reason why guns are so damaging in the United States is because of inequality, and all the problems that come with that.
Obviously guns alone won't win a revolution these days. But it's a lot easier of a starting point than a knife.

If we lived in a communist country, we could have it similar to how the Soviet Union did it, where guns were the purview of shooting clubs, where anyone could go to shoot in a communal setting, and be expected to volunteer in cause of a war. But we don't, and until we do, guns are an important tool to work towards that.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!

McGavin posted:

:siren: POC AND COP ARE NOT PALINDROMES. :siren:

They're semordnilaps.

Thank you, I agonised over posting that because it felt wrong, but I didn't want to just say opposite, because I was only talking about the words and not what they represent.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
yeah, there's a paranoid part of me that thinks that just as all the billionaires are setting up their mansions and hideaways in advance of all the hell of climate change in new zealand, there's a horrific attack and then immediate legislature to ban weapons.
i'm not saying that the attacker is not a terrorist, because he is, but it's awful convenient for all those billionaires and their security teams. i should look up and see if there are any allowances for them to be better armed, or it is truly a blanket ban for everyone, including police.
false flags are real, and i fully acknowledge that these thoughts are truly paranoid. i like to imagine all possibilities.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
We could direct him/her to a more amenable forum, Guyovich. It could always use some new blood...

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
unions got hosed when they made them legal, because as conditions for making it legal they made them toothless, and made them financially solvent at the cost of alienating dumb workers who don't want to join unions by making them pay.
Bring back illegal unions, the only way to negotiate with capitalists is when they fear for their lives.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
You know what, I'm starting to be kind of opposed to guillotines.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
Axes are far more portable, and what do we care about giving capitalists a quick and relatively painless death. The French could be more reasonable since capitalism was still relatively new, and they hadn't been subjected to years and years of capitalists ruining their lives and their world.

EDIT: I didn't anticipate the quick posting, it would have been more meaningful if this was the post directly after the other one.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
What could be the difference between local union boards and national ones? "
There hasn't been a single time where union leadership was less radical than many of their workers" You, apparently.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!

Jehde posted:

The quick and painless death wasn't the point of the guillotine, the efficiency and ability for a high throughput of bourgeois was the point. Sure you can hire an executioner to lift and drop an axe a bunch of times, but that's gonna get tiring. So just manufacture a machine that optimizes the process and saves the executioner's arms.
Surely we could find many people willing to do it though? I mean, Marx pointed out that capitalism is training their own grave-diggers, we can clearly organize a schedule so that the work is shared equally among all who want to do it.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
Maybe that's why the class struggle is so much more advanced in Quebec....maybe I've been going about this the wrong way!

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!

MonsieurChoc posted:

I'm gonna start a new party called the "Eat the Rich Party" and my platform will consist entirely of spite and hatred at the fuckers who've been ruining our lives.

"Make the Rich Pay"

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!

Eox posted:

i do have to wonder how they think an armed revolt of any scale would go in a country this size

It's not like Russia or China have ever had successful armed revolts. Once a country gets to a certain size, it has a way of shutting these things down.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
What thing did they associate Russia and China with? Going from weak backwaters that basically served as resource extraction and captive markets for imperialist countries, to some of the most powerful countries in the world? Leading the struggle against fascist and fascist aligned countries, winning a victory in blood?
I don't know what association you mean, so it's hard to know what you mean by asking for a counter example.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
I mean, the fact that the powerful have had a massive advantage in technology and organization is a longstanding obstacle of revolutionaries. Spartacus had to fight against the might of Rome, with all its legions and fleets. The secret police of Russia was regarded as a particularly efficient and bloodthirsty example. Every successful state has created an image of invincibility, which is important because that invincibility is based upon people believing it. The full power of the American war machine has been focused on the poor small country of Afghanistan, and yet still they fight. A revolution takes place in the minds of its population, as well as materially.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!

vyelkin posted:

I have to jump in here to say that while the Russian secret police had that reputation, the pre-revolutionary Okhrana were more often than not a bunch of bumbling idiots than they were effective at actually crushing dissent. And like most things in Russia at the time, they were insanely understaffed compared to the size of the country and the scale of the dissent they were supposed to manage (it's not much good arresting half a dozen revolutionaries when millions of peasants are rioting and burning down manor houses). What was actually effective at crushing dissent in Russia between 1905 and 1917 was the imposition of martial law, the use of the military to break up strikes and uprisings, and the execution of thousands of people by military courts, and the big reason why the revolution could happen in 1917 was because the entire country collapsed under the strain of trying to fight the First World War and the military didn't obey the tsar when he gave orders to do it again.

Yes, that is certainly true, but it doesn't disagree with what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that they had a reputation. The conditions for the revolution were affected by many different factors, especially discontent among the army. Do you really think that in a civil war type situation that there wouldn't be any soldiers not 100% for massacring civilian populations? The mere fact that people kept trying to start the revolution, and the conditions imposed by the authorities in hopes of preventing a revolution, are things that make a revolution more likely.
I can't think of a single successful revolution that didn't follow unsuccessful ones, but that doesn't mean you should wait until conditions are perfect to launch a revolt. An unsuccessful revolution can lay the groundwork for a successful one, both as a learning experience for those that survive or at least the relatives of those that lose their lives, and for leading to the kinds of repression that alienate larger portions of the population.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
smh at all you guys saying building arenas with public funds is bad. where are we going to guillotine people that has a large enough audience capacity?

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

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sure, but with deepfakes and everything, how can we be sure that we're really executing people? I mean, North Korea has apparently been playing this game for years, what with their politicians being torn apart by dogs or blown apart by anti-aircraft guns and then somehow fine a couple weeks later.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
I wonder how long it would take them to stop looking for a couple far-left murderers.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
Well, at least her kids weren't older than her.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

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Just to avoid making similar mistakes, what were the more common errors in their attempted corrections?

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

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It'll be good to have a couple communist party leaders in the debate as well. I assume if they're letting this guy in, they're inviting them as well?

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

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I like Harveys, though I can't say I've had their breakfast.
My go to breakfast is still Tims, I usually get an everything bagel, toasted, buttered and with bacon and it's pretty good, as well as cheap. Maybe my palate isn't as developed as yours though, I tend to like everything.
I can't really comment on the popularity or coolness, but it reminds me that when I was in high school we used to hang out late at the Tims, since it was open crazy late and you could get a coffee or hot chocolate and piss away the hours shooting the poo poo.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

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I can't hate the legion, legion halls are pretty great places to drink, even though technically as a communist I'm not supposed to be allowed in them.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

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Yeah, I and a couple roommates got cheques in the mail, mine was around 400.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

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I mean, it's not often you see a replica "gently caress this guy, not for what he did, but the inevitable legislative response" in the wild.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

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Lol at joining a socialist party in canada and not joining the one that has already been outlawed when it got popular.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

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The bystander effect is real. That's why you gotta jump in everytime, and hopefully convince other people to help you, but you have to lead in that type of situation. Somebody has to, might as well be you. "It's none of your business" is the mantra of a coward.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

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prom candy posted:

rules that say you can't walk alone or with members of your household are loving stupid, especially if you make an exception for people with dogs. I stand with the Sherbrooke freaks

Yeah, I think as long as at no point was he off the leash it should be ok. Clear ownership.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!
Jeez, i wonder why indigenous people suffer the least from hate crimes, even less than white people, according to the police. i guess they don't count it when they do it, and the indigenous people don't report the hate crimes they suffer to the police for some reason.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

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Hey man, I'm a radical, but that's going too far.

You gotta tell them to get out of it so you can turn it into public housing or a library or whatever, and then if they refuse, then you burn it down with them in it.

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

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lol where do these banderists come from? get out of cspam dumbass

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

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Powershift posted:

I’m sick and tired of people talking poo poo about Old Gork

They’re trying their best.

....Mork is best!

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Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

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FormaldehydeSon posted:

Quiznos rules actually

Yeah. Haven't you seen the meme with the quiznos grill with "This machine kills fascists!" yet?

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