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I was re-reading the Star Wars threads, and ran into the "droid personhood" arguments. There's a point that I surprisingly never saw anyone make: simply the creation of the droids as they exist in the Star Wars universe is an unethical act. This is in relation to Slavoj Zizek's notion of the traditional authoritarian father vs. the permissive father: Slavoj Zizek, "How to Read Lacan" posted:Think of the situation known to most of us from our youth: the unfortunate child who, on Sunday afternoon, has to visit his grandmother instead of being allowed to play with friends. The old-fashioned authoritarian father’s message to the reluctant boy would have been: “I don’t care how you feel. Just do your duty, go to grandmother and behave there properly!” In this case, the child’s predicament is not bad at all: although forced to do something he clearly doesn’t want to, he will retain his inner freedom and the ability to (later) rebel against the paternal authority. Much more tricky would have been the message of a “postmodern” non-authoritarian father: “You know how much your grandmother loves you! But, nonetheless, I do not want to force you to visit her – go there only if you really want to!” This is why it is immediately easy to dismiss the arguments that C-3PO doesn't have it that bad, since he was created to like his job as a protocol droid. In a strange paradox, his free will has been pre-determined.
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Jewmanji posted:Yeah there are no droids in Star Wars that aren’t built for a specific purpose. It would be interesting to see a class of droids that wasn’t a “protocol droid” or a “battle droid” or an “astromech” droid from birth, but was simply created to exist and be afforded the same protections and freedoms as a regular person. The droids are the best part of Star Wars, no joke. Lucas draws interesting parallels between human existence and droid existence. In that one episode of the Clone Wars, Yoda finds a planet at the center of the universe serving as THE source of the Force, and a disembodied voice explains to him that this planet is the root of all life everywhere. If it were to stop existing, all life would stop and humans would become zombies or die or something. It works the same way as the Trade Federation droid mothership in Phantom Menace, but for biological life. R2-D2 is on the planet as well with Yoda, and he cannot sense the Force at all at its very source. This is taken by some critics as proof of the inherent spirituality of the human condition and how droids mirror this as soulless pieces of machinery or whatever. What is never brought up, but easy to deduce from the implications, is that if this one singular Force planet were to be destroyed, droids would be the only sapient life left in existence.
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Mar 6, 2020 21:20
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Blood Boils posted:3PO mostly doesn't like his job though, frequently expressing his problems with the various roles his masters' have him play. If droid programming was like that they wouldn't need restraining bolts. Yes, his desire to be an interpreter by his own choice is a predetermined action input by his manufacturer. That's my point. He only dislikes roles he hasn't been determined to like in advance. This is a wholly unethical act in terms of personhood and individual rights. The issue of free will and predetermination is such an anxious question that it has needed extensive research in areas like theology and neurosciences, but a look at the droids in Star Wars is a good fundamental starting point for the ethical and moral aspects of the question.
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Mar 7, 2020 13:18
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I mean, R2 has seen three revolutions against the ruling political parties of the time and they all were poo poo. It's mostly just characterization for R2, as he is now revealed to be depressive as well as abrasive. It also tells us that hanging out with C-3PO isn't enough to keep him engaged. R2 has seen the world enough without being mindwiped at any point to develop the most nuanced droid personality in all the movies, and the result is becoming Marvin the Paranoid Android. End of Shoelace fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Mar 8, 2020 |
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Mar 8, 2020 14:20
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"...poo poo, Luke isnt here" DIRECTED BY JJ ABRAMS
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Mar 9, 2020 01:19
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The Falcon never outruns a pursuer in any of the movies. It's loving weird how much people misremember the origin media of a fandom. The first scene in any Star Wars movies of the Falcon vs. any other spacecraft IS quite literally TIE fighters flying around the Falcon and taking potshots at it. It's one reason why the ship has rotating turrets and a manual gun nest versus the fixed, straight-pointed guns of TIE fighters and X-wings. "Kirk drift" is really interesting, but what the hell even causes it?
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Aug 30, 2020 16:18
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Good and bad Jedis are on competing expeditions to a place for a vague reason*, amid reams and reams of fanservice for that cartoon I didn’t watch. What got you into the Star Wars shows, anyway? Don't you really dislike serial TV?
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Aug 28, 2023 19:13
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Darko posted:Nobody in this thread compared the two in quality. Ahsoka is still pretty up in the air based on where it goes/ends. Right now, it's floating around early Bad Batch where it's iffy, but Bad Batch also ended up providing some of the best stuff, so, dunno. Lucas' partial input into the show is diluted all over those 80/90 hours. You could just watch the movies instead.
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Aug 30, 2023 14:56
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josh04 posted:A Babu Freak, you might say. Babu Freak on a Leash
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Aug 30, 2023 19:53
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porfiria posted:The truth about Star Wars is that it's for babies. It's for small children with half-developed brains. If you're a Gen Xer who had a quasi religious experience in the theater back in 77 and now you're rummaging through the scrap heap hoping to see Jesus' face again on a burnt out carburetor do your thing but otherwise what are we doing here? Star Wars is transformative. Who has ever read, like, "The Doomed City" and become transformed into a relentless Doomed City maniac, reading endless pages of factoids from the Doomed Wikia and demanding the book be republished for purchase?
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Sep 5, 2023 14:11
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Bogus Adventure posted:"I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!" is something Anakin would say, and perfectly in line with his character. Because it IS infuriating to watch a little kid placed in such a position of power, from which he can kill people en masse with weapons of war. Qui-Gon wasn't wrong in that he was the chosen one, ready to spearhead a holy war for the Jedi even as a child. Pretty sure a a kid irl, if placed into a war, would at some point refer to enemy combatants as "the bad guys".
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Sep 27, 2023 11:20
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Speaking of clone wars: A long time ago in a Star Wars thread, there was discussion on how Rey is the equivalent of a Star Wars fans reimmersing themselves into the Star Wars franchise, the process being shown through her diegetic immersion into the history and present of the actual Star War. It's not an accurate take, but this kind of thing HAS already happened in Star Wars! In A New Hope, we hear of the Clone Wars from Obi-Wan, and like Luke, we most likely imagine glorious and righteous war full of fun peril. Then, in a reimmersion to Star Wars with Phantom Menace and Clone Wars, we learn that war does NOT, in fact, make one great. It doesn't quite come full circle, since Luke in the sequel trilogy never actually researched the history of the Jedi to learn why they went down, but oh well.
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The blue in blue milk is the antifreeze. Keeps it from going bad in the Jakku heat
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