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ROTJ would be funny because Empire sets up this grand new thing that changes the game, and EVERYONE speculates where it goes since there are so many impossible situations like Han frozen, Vader clearly more powerful, a secret "other hope" and then its: - The movie starts off on Tatooine and ends with a battle against the Death Star - Luke got more powerful offscreen and can now do force chokes and Obi Wan's mind trick - Luke, Leia, Lando, C3PO, Chewie and Artoo rescue Han at the beginning of the movie from Jabba as some have infiltrated his group offscreen - During the infiltration section, Luke has to fight a big monster. He beats it by throwing a rock at a button which drops a sliding door on its head - Also Leia is captured, and Jabba chains her up next to him and forces her to wear a bikini while he watches slave girls dance - Boba Fett dies in the process from being hit in the back and falling down a hole which is actually a monster's mouth - The Emperor is finally shown, Vader is conflicted about his love for Luke - Luke finally goes to see Yoda again (he hasn't since ESB for some reason), and Yoda immediately dies. - Ghost Obi Wan says Leia is actually Luke's twin sister separated at birth. Luke somehow always knew, even when he was happy about kissing her in the last movie. - The Rebels (including Luke, who met them) launch a final attack against the unfinished new Death Star by disabling the shield on an adjacent moon - They get seen by some scouts on that moon and have a speeder bike chase, Leia gets separated with Luke - Leia meets a little teddy bear creature called and Ewok and befriends it - The rest of the group all get captured in a net by Ewoks after Chewie tries to eat some food he found on the ground (edit, wait, hanging from a tree) - The group is about to be eaten by the Ewoks, but they think Chewie is a god, and Luke levitates him to prove it, so they let everyone go and call them friends - They infiltrate the shield base but get ambushed/caught (there are also those two legged walkers you saw in Empire walking around) - However, the Ewoks help ambush the Imperial legions, and defeat them and the walkers with log traps, spears, and rocks - Meanwhile Luke has given himself up to Vader, who walks him up to the Emperor - And a squid Admiral named Ackbar launches an attack against the Death Star. He thought the shields were down when they weren't because the Empire set up an ambush but Lando (who is piloting the Falcon now) saves them - Luke gets mad when he sees the ambush and tries to attack the Emperor with his lightsaber, but Vader blocks it and they fight - The shield generator gets blown up on Endor and Lando and the rest of the fighters notice, and attack. They fly into the new Death Star. - Vader and Luke fight and Luke hides from Vader in the shadows. Vader reads Luke's mind and figures out he has a daughter, which makes Luke mad and he beats up Vader and chops off his hand. - The Emperor is happy and says he'll make Luke his new apprentice. Luke refuses so the Emperor electrocutes him with lighting out of his hand. Vader looks sad at this happening. - Vader picks up the Emperor and throws him down a shaft. - Lando blows up the Death Star 2 in the Falcon - Luke escapes the Death Star, but not before Vader reveals his face and dies in his arms - They land on Endor, give Vader a viking funeral, then have a dance party with the Ewoks with fireworks in the background Keeping the mistakes in to make it more authentic. Also, yeah, typing all that out just enforces why ROTJ has dropped down my list of Star Wars movies greatly. Darko fucked around with this message at 17:36 on May 13, 2018 |
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Kevin Palpatine posted:there actually were bulletin board discussions about esb and rotj in the 80s (what did yoda mean "there is another skywalker?" etc) I posted a bunch of them on a forum once but I can't find them anymore. maybe google ate them after a while I saw some of those before somewhere, and my dad tells me of all the speculation after Empire since it raised so many questions (that ended up being dashed by Jedi). I was only old enough to REMEMBER seeing Jedi in the theater, so my impression of the series was mostly based on that, retrofitting the older movies back in; but if I had seen Jedi after Empire in my teens or something, I would have been pissed.
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May 13, 2018 17:38
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Vinylshadow posted:Ya know, you'd think that the Ewoks would've revered Chewie over Threepio since he's three times their size and can rip the arms off his enemies like a vengeful god or something When I typed that up, I was just realizing the ridiculousness of them even being caught in the first place in the net. None of that makes any sense. And yeah, Chewie would come off to them like the Engineers would to us; I'd think they'd care about him more since he more resembles what they are used to while C3PO more resembles the invaders.
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May 13, 2018 17:39
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Gonz posted:Sam Worthington and Jai Courtney are the real life version of every default Create-A-Character videogame slate. it's weird because Jai Courtney was good in Spartacus and launched a career from it and was never as good as Spartacus.
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May 24, 2018 13:08
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CelticPredator posted:It sucks when Alien never foreshadowed the Alien Queen. It’s a huge plot hole that xenomorphs suddenly have a solid creator of the Alien eggs. Aliens actually does foreshadow the queen, haha. Ripley asks "what makes the eggs" early in the movie with a bit of an ominous beat 
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Jun 28, 2018 21:37
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Luuuke Skywalker is literally an April Fool's Joke. I asked Zahn why he did the silly "Luuke" thing in the first place, and he said it was because he didn't feel like typing *clone* Luke over and over. So at least there was a legitimately lazy reason for the original naming convention.
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Mar 4, 2019 16:21
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Captain Splendid posted:This is unironically one of the best Star Wars duels It might be *the* best. Sheev vs. Maul and his bro was also great because it was just them funnily being owned for 5 minutes while trying all their bullshit. It was probably the best of the prequel style fights.
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Mar 30, 2019 21:39
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I forgot the new series even existed, and this may be the first time that has happened with me.
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Mar 31, 2019 03:15
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Movies have a lot of politics behind them now, not just because of the left and the now vocal right, but because a literal monopoly is happening. I wouldn't normally care personally if there wasn't a legitimate risk of one of my favorite pastimes being ruined because of hegemony.
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Apr 11, 2019 02:48
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CelticPredator posted:Movies have always had politics. The prequels are pretty drat political, even. “This is how liberty dies...” scene springs to mind. It's not about the politics in the movie itself, it's that society is at one of its cyclical boiling points now in the West that people are diametrically opposed on. Movie review and opinions are more based on bad faith arguments based on those "sides" than the movies themselves in a lot of cases. A lot of movie arguments now are almost entirely based on identity politics.
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Apr 11, 2019 03:28
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Flavius Aetass posted:I was very disappointed coming out of the theater and I promise you it had nothing to do with identity politics and everything to do with the whole movie seeming like the creators didn't have any respect for the characters or the universe Lucas had created. That's why I didn't say it was universal. I thought Black Panther was horridly mediocre and had terrible politics, but that doesn't mean that there weren't a lot of other people who hated on it because SJWs. Similarly, a lot of people I know personally like it strictly because it portrays black people so positively, while downing other comic movies that are practically the same film because they don't have that representation.That's the problem with modern Internet criticism; lots of things are now way amplified based on personal angles that have nothing to do with the film itself and you never know who is latching on to what criticism in good faith or not. This always existed; but is magnified now by widening dichotomies. I was super disappointed coming out of the theater, but liked it a lot more on second viewing from a different angle, personally (even though the middle still draaaaaaggggs to me). But those kind of opinions never float to the top online now either, since it's now either best ever or worst ever that gets noticed. Darko fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Apr 11, 2019 |
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Apr 11, 2019 04:16
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precision posted:Brie Larson is no less dumb than Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise, I wonder what makes her a bigger target for nerds... hmmm... Nerds super hate Tom Cruise, he has just been contained from making weird media statements after Oprah pretty much.
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Apr 13, 2019 22:08
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I now want to see a Sheev force ghost in a slapfight with force ghost Yoda.
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Apr 14, 2019 14:39
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Eh, AOTC does come off as someone who has never "picked up" a woman trying to write a relationship. Its kind of incel thought where it works backwards from Anakin being a "chosen one" that deserves a hot older famous politician woman who has dated other people before even though hes a creepy, younger obsessed dude that she met when he was a tiny kid (although to be fair, hes at least attractive).
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Apr 15, 2019 07:14
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CelticPredator posted:Solo is like distilled sadness. I don’t know what you’re on about. Rogue One is at least beautiful in spots. Solo had like one good shot and it was Lando sitting at a table. edit"  
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Apr 21, 2019 17:20
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ruddiger posted:Why would you order a cheeseburger at a nice restaurant, get a steak or a pork chop. Burgers are bar food. Change of pace or happy hour type of thing. The greatest burgers I've had have been at 4/5 star restaurants sitting at the bar at happy hour.
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Apr 21, 2019 22:07
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s.i.r.e. posted:RO and TLJ is the Chef popping a squat right on your table and heaving out a huge poo poo right in front of you all over your plate and he doesn't stop for 2 hours. "huge poo poo in front of you" 
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Apr 22, 2019 00:45
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Vintersorg posted:The final battle in Rogue One makes up for the plodding pace set earlier. Prob one of the best battles in the series. The heroes dying to Vader sequence is literally the best shot sequence in Star Wars. There's no way you can look at that and not recognize the value in the movie unless you're cinematically blind. Solo...does...not have that. TLJ has some decent stuff, but it's mostly referenced off of other things:  Solo...eh....
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Apr 22, 2019 01:17
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That's literally because it's easier to just record yourself talking than to put the extra effort into editing video on top of that.
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Apr 24, 2019 17:32
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Calibanibal posted:Yeesh a Bob's burgers movie? All the other cartoon to show movies were fine and typically better than the show seasons around the time the movies came out (ie. Simpsons); I don't see an issue with this.
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May 8, 2019 15:25
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Yoda did bring up that being a Jedi Master was all about failing.
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May 22, 2019 21:45
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Preston Waters posted:Watch this: I think the difference is that those instances were handled in dialogue (elephant walkers landed to take out the shield generators, surface guns weren't as effective against fighters, etc.), while Last Jedi didn't bother to offer a technobabble explanation about why it worked *this* time and why they didn't do that against, say the more stationary Death Star or something. That's a fair statement to make, and if that took someone out of the movie for a minute, that's fair.
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May 25, 2019 03:52
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Bogus Adventure posted:This is something that also bothered me in TFA. I went into the movie cautiously optimistic because I saw what JJ Abrams did with his Star Trek movies. The fact that key plot points aren't conveyed to the audience (Church of the Force, choosing Anakin's lightsaber lost at Bespin rather than using Luke's ROTJ one, why the Republic doesn't consider the First Order a threat despite its massive military, the "thrown together" plan to blow up Starkiller Base, etc) really bothered me. It's why I chose to wait on TLJ. When I read the reviews, saw Hamill's reaction, and various synopses, I was glad I didn't waste $15-20 and 2.5 hours watching it. TFA has COMPLETELY different issues than TLJ to the point where hating one doesn't preclude hating the other.
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May 25, 2019 16:21
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Ingmar terdman posted:It's p cool that when Last Jedi came out people were mad that they didn't reveal the mysterious string pulling big bad to be some dude from another movie adding nothing to the story, and then half a year later when the mysterious string pulling big bad turned out to be some dude from another movie adding nothing to the story everyone was also mad Different people. The guy i worked with that was mad that Rogue One and Last Jedi didn't follow the A New Hope template with big station and lightsaber battle at the end, ie. Return of the Jedi, thinks that this movie is finally back to form. The people that liked TLJ or at least liked that it attempted to try to go somewhere else are the ones I see mad at this. I think the crossover are people that just hate Rey as a protagonist and want this whole trilogy to fail.
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May 29, 2019 02:09
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s.i.r.e. posted:To be fair to Kathleen Kennedy, she was a producer on the original Jurassic Park so she has a bit of cred. But it seems like she's more involved with the Star Wars films than anything else and is the one that made the push for so many films. She produced most of Spielbergs films, starting with E.T. and stuff like Back to the Future that he co-produced, so there's way more cred than that. But, given her production history, it basically seems to be "let the director do whatever."
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Jun 14, 2019 14:49
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General Dog posted:Now that he’s old and washed, it’s possible to forget occasionally how loving good Spielberg was at his peak Tintin had some absolutely insane "camerawork" and pretty much shows what younger Spielberg would have done with Indiana Jones if it had been possible. Lincoln had some excellent stuff too, and Bridge of Spies was okay. He just chose not the best source material to work with, with The Post and RPO, although RPO was about as good as you could possibly do with *that* source.
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Jun 21, 2019 02:17
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Issue is Land is in Anaheim which is hell on earth, and a ridiculously long drive from where anyone lives in LA.
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Jul 7, 2019 22:49
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Gonz posted:Probably the latter. Imagine being held responsible for George Lucas’ absolutely terrible writing at every convention you go to, for something as ultimately meaningless as a science fiction fantasy movie. You're born with schizophrenia, but it typically doesn't manifest itself majorly until late teens or twenties.
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Jul 11, 2019 13:39
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TerminalRaptor posted:I think Looper is a dumb movie as well and I think Rian just has trouble with writing sci fi in general. That being said, one of my friends recommended I go see Knives Out. He went in expecting to hate it and said it was quite excellent. From a ways back, but Looper has the main issue TLJ does, where it spends an entire film establishing something, then just changing everything in the last 3rd. In Looper's case, causality and inevitability being a curse that rules everything, then, nope.
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Dec 14, 2019 22:30
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Clone Wars is pretty great and expands on the (good) plot basis the prequels have and explores a lot of the themes in depth. Especially the relationship between mass produced clones and droids for the service of a dumb war. The animation is absolutely gorgeous at times. Rebels is okay through good with some stand-out great episodes and possibly the best lightsaber battle in the series (Obi Wan/Maul), with a bit of a rocky start. Ahsoka is in both. There is no reason to not watch either of these. Darko fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Dec 16, 2019 |
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Dec 16, 2019 15:53
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lofi posted:Did we watch the same Clone Wars? The one I saw was a standard kids cartoon with standard kids plotlines. I watched... half a season or so? Does it really ramp up or something? It ramps up in S2/3 or so. It basically becomes 3-4 episode arcs that aren't necessarily in chronological order, and everything that is not about Jar Jar is pretty good (and I think Lucas was most involved in those, haha), especially clone focused episodes that showcase how bad the Star Wars actually are. I personally don't really like the witch stuff, but it resulted in Maul becoming a good character at the end, so even that focus is fine in retrospect.
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Dec 16, 2019 17:47
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Dishwasher posted:I swear! I'm going into RoS today (if I can get a ticket lol), and I'm going in primarily for the starfighter and capital ship porn, swelling John Williams score This is easily the worst Star Wars score and I'm including Solo and Rogue One in this assessment. I re-listened to Phantom Menace (which is a really, really excellent score and possibly top 3 in the series) and then Revenge (as a more fitting comparison) to compare, and the big issue is that this one has nothing really new at all for themes. I mean, it has two new themes/motifs, but they don't seem to peak anywhere or do anything interesting and sound like lesser versions of stuff from his scores from, like, Minority Report. So then, everything else are just motifs peaking in and out of Mickey Mousing. However, the difference is that stuff from the OT was MOSTLY only hinted to in the PT scores outside of the standby Force theme or done in really interesting/good ways (Anakin's theme segueing into the Empire theme, the celebration theme at the end of Phantom being a happy version of the Emperor's theme), with the scores mostly weighing on the new motifs or actual pointed scoring. In the ST, only Rei's theme really stands out (and ends up being overused in this), Kylo/First Order's was always somewhat weak, and the Resistance theme, while okay, is barely used at all, with the rest of the thematic work being just straight up OT stuff...again. And with that, even Solo did a better job of recycling OT stuff AND Han's theme is better used.
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Dec 19, 2019 15:26
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Mat Cauthon posted:Are the Duel of the Fates remix or the rework of the Emperor's Theme that were used in a bunch of the trailers not in the score? The trailer stuff is not the score stuff, but Duel of the Fates kind of sneaks in mixed in with the Imperial theme somewhere, but not super bombastically obvious (it's way more obviously used when Maul first catches up to everyone on Tatooine, as a comparison). Note that I'm referring only to the soundtrack album; not the full movie score in the film itself, which could possibly have better/more usage of stuff. I mean, the funniest thing to me is in the album, at least, Rose's theme, which was an entire track and focus in the last score, wasn't heard once, or at least I didn't notice it. That would be like if Leia's theme never got woven into Jedi or something.
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Dec 19, 2019 15:48
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Combat Theory posted:Cant decide if the Johnson apologism or the "They are kids movies aniways" are the best hot takes in this thread. It was a stupid foundation that was just going to give us the same cookie cutter stuff that would lead to the last movie being Return of the Jedi with Snoke subbed in for the Emperor. There are a million more interesting things you can do with a third movie with a setup of "There is no real Resistance anymore, but Luke's sacrifice is inspiring a new generation of new Lukes (I don't know HOW that kid heard about it, but whatever) and now the protagonists are finally together and might actually get to become friends," combined with "angsty teen is running the galaxy completely unopposed and unbound by an old, decrepit Sith master dude, how does this affect his personality over time and what kind of villain would this create." TLJ had its issues, but changing course is the best thing that it did. What you can blame Johnson for, I guess, is being too shortsighted to realize that current film studios aren't letting this kind of course correction happen to tent poles and would inevitably roll it back to standard.
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Dec 19, 2019 16:07
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Gantolandon posted:I don't buy this argument, because JJ Abrams made 66% of the new trilogy and didn't manage to add anything even remotely original. Every single part of the plot in his movies was copied from somewhere else, but worse. I'm pretty sure if he also got a middle part, it would pan out as less coherent Empire Strikes Back. Again, this is the guy that just had to use Khan again, for no reason except because it had been done before, even though there were like a hundred other augments that could be used. Also the Spock/Kirk role reversal sacrifice scene that we totally didn't see coming.
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Dec 19, 2019 16:10
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The Human Crouton posted:I'm not watching IX until it's free. So am I to understand that this trilogy decided to mirror its 1st and 3rd entries off of ANH and ROTJ, and giant poo poo in place of ESB? 2nd mirrored ESB too, it just changed some stuff around in the order and then changed the outcome of what happened in the situations. Walker attack on base vs speeders is now at the end Yoda training section including the pupil going to the darkside place is framing the beginning of the movie more Pupil/hero leaves training and goes off to face the villain is not the final act Long extended space chase because hyperdrive can't happen basically frames everything now One group goes to find some charismatic rogue (gambler, too!) on a planet after leaving the chase sequence and is then captured is pretty much in the same spot The big thing TLJ is missing is the obligatory weird monster that is gonna eat you sequence. The only other movie without one I can remember is Episode 3. 4 had the garbage compactor monster 5 had the space worm 6 is the Rancor AND the Sarlaac 1 had the fish 2 had the gladiator fight 3 had ??? 7 has the dumb Han Solo ship things Rogue One has the Saw Psychic Brain Gobbly monster 8 had ??? 9 has whatever I guess, I heard there was something.
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Dec 19, 2019 17:14
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Combat Theory posted:If this place existed in 1978 there would propably be goons arguing that the hollywood special is the best Star Wars installment too. Nah, nobody argued that the Clone War movie was, which would probably be the parallel.
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Dec 19, 2019 17:16
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Pollyanna posted:We start getting US impressions around 9pm, right? First showings are 6:30ish so yeah. Edit: most. I was thinking about going but pulled a "nahhh"
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Dec 19, 2019 23:52
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Ah yes, Ahsoka who famously quit the Jedi because she realized they loving suck even before Anakin did, now as to be shoehorned into becoming a Jedi again, great.
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General Dog posted:I think The Last Jedi gets a bit too much credit for just attempting, but largely failing, to say something; but that praise is understandable since it came after TFA, which went out of its way to be about nothing. It mainly just irks me that it gets so much credit for being a deconstruction of the OT when the prequels did the same thing in a much less sentimental manner. It (tried to) deconstruct a different thing; it was more about structure and expectations of fans to what to expect in a Star War and not the glorifying of the Jedi and the Republic Obi Wan introduced in the OT, which the prequels did. It basically literally begged to do something different with the series for 75 percent while still taking some of the good parts, and set up the 3rd movie to be basically completely different from Jedi in execution, even if not as much as we may have necessarily wanted.
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