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galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Skypie posted:

I saw someone post a character speech plastered on a background the other day on Facebook and it was about respecting your opponents' views and the friend was musing that we need a return to that concept in politics

And that's about my extent with the show but that sounded like a very :decorum: kinda thing

The thing about this statement is that no matter how much decorum people deliver, like "I am taking the high road or not airing any attack ads" is already a common phrase, or maybe they want "let us respectfully agree to disagree, sir", they will still be saying we need a return to decorum in politics because it's just a platitude used to self-aggrandize.

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galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Squizzle posted:

this is the most dystopian bullshit

yeah, if these people are working and watching TV at the same time, they're probably distracted and working more slowly, stealing productivity that rightfully belongs to their bosses

(I am kidding)

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Jul 15, 2018

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

The fourth panel in the image is probably going to lead to some conversation like

"Dad! Hey dad! Did you see me make the shot?"

"Could you hold on for just a second, I'm on the phone trying to close a deal ... Okay, I'm off the phone. Phew, moments like those you only get one shot at. Okay, so what were we talking about?"

Edit: First panel:

With Microsoft Peethink teleconferencing technology, it's never been easier been easier to stream while you stream

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Jul 15, 2018

galenanorth
May 19, 2016


This worked out with Ted Kennedy, considering he ended up being replaced by Scott Brown and resigning due to health reasons might've gotten him more months in office, but there's no excuse for that in any other circumstance

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Where are the best places to read about accusations that Israel is an apartheid state? What do you think of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy

Edit: When I read

quote:

In 2009, a study was commissioned and coordinated by the Human Sciences Research Council of South Africa on Israel’s practices in the occupied Palestinian territories under international law.[65]

The report cautioned against focusing exclusively on events within Israel proper and avoiding analysis of Israeli policies in the Occupied Territories.[67] The report noted that one of the most 'notorious' aspects of the Apartheid policy was the 'racial enclave policy' manifested in the Black Homelands called bantustans, and added: "As the apartheid regime in South Africa, Israel justifies these measures under the pretext of 'security'. Contrary to such claims, they are in fact part of an overall regime aimed at preserving demographic superiority of one racial group over the other in certain areas".[68]

According to the report Israel's practices in the occupied Palestinian territories correlate almost entirely with the definition of apartheid as established in Article 2 of the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid. Comparison to South African laws and practices by the apartheid regime also found strong correlations with Israeli practices, including violations of international standards for due process (such as illegal detention); discriminatory privileges based on ascribed ethnicity (legally, as Jewish or non-Jewish); draconian enforced ethnic segregation in all parts of life, including by confining groups to ethnic "reserves and ghettoes"; comprehensive restrictions on individual freedoms, such as movement and expression; a dual legal system based on ethno-national identity (Jewish or Palestinian); denationalization (denial of citizenship); and a special system of laws designed selectively to punish any Palestinian resistance to the system.

then

quote:

In 2014, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry warned that if Israel did not make peace soon, under a two-state solution, it could become an apartheid state.[177] In response to Kerry's statement, former South African state president F. W. de Klerk said: "You have Palestinians living in Israel with full political rights. You don’t have discriminatory laws against them, I mean not letting them swim on certain beaches or anything like that. I think it's unfair to call Israel an apartheid state. If Kerry did so, I think he made a mistake."[178]

it seems at first like the first set of claims is mostly referring to the state of on-and-off-again conflict between Israel and Palestine, but then I notice that the entire article seems to mostly just argue from authority by saying "X said this, Y said that" while sweeping the key information all into the sentence "However, others believe that certain laws do explicitly or implicitly discriminate on the basis or creed or race, in effect privileging Jewish citizens and disadvantaging non-Jewish, and particularly Arab, citizens of the state. These include the Law of Return, laws making military conscription mandatory for certain religions only, the Ban on Family Unification, and many laws regarding security, land and planning, citizenship, political representation in the Knesset, education and culture. .[23][24][25][26]"

I'll read through those four citations when I'm in the waiting room while taking a sick relative to the doctor's office on Monday

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Jul 15, 2018

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

https://twitter.com/HoarseWisperer/status/1018476147997335554

You gotta be elected to like eight terms before you can chair a subcommittee. Incumbents need those positions so they can argue that they shouldn't be kicked out of office, not on the merits of their political positions, but because people in their district will lose their ability to use their representative's political position for personal gain.

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Grondoth posted:

Just kick him out of the loving party already

Can the dems do that? Like, CAN you kick people outta the party?

They can cut off all DCCC funding for these incumbents as long as they are already picking and choosing sides against non-incumbents

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

I skimmed through Sen. Elizabeth Warren's S.2544 - Ending Too Big to Jail Act bill and came across

Ending Too Big to Jail Act posted:

[stuff about Special Inspector General for Financial Institution Crime reporting requirements]

...

The chief executive officer, chief financial officer, chief operating officer, and chief compliance officer of a financial institution, a bank holding company, or a savings and loan holding company with assets greater than $10,000,000,000 shall submit to the appropriate entity, subject to section 1001 of title 18, United States Code, an annual certification that the officers have conducted due diligence and found that there is no criminal conduct or civil fraud in the financial institution, bank holding company, or savings and loan holding company, as applicable, that has not been disclosed in full to the Department of Justice or the applicable regulator. If a disclosure to the Department of Justice or the applicable regulator has been made, the certification shall explicitly describe all of the details of the conduct that has been disclosed, including but not limited to, the date of disclosure, and the person to whom the disclosure was made.

...

(3) CRIMINAL PENALTIES.—

(A) IN GENERAL.—A chief executive officer, chief financial officer, chief operating officer, and chief compliance officer of a financial institution, a bank holding company, or a savings and loan holding company willfully violating this section or a regulation prescribed under this section shall be fined not more than $250,000, or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both.

(B) OTHER LAWS.—A chief executive officer, chief financial officer, chief operating officer, and chief compliance officer of a financial institution, a bank holding company, or a savings and loan holding company willfully violating this section or a regulation prescribed under this section while violating another law of the United States or as part of a pattern of any illegal activity involving more than $100,000 in a 12-month period, shall be fined not more than $500,000, imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both.

It creates a law enforcement agency for investigating financial crimes under the office of the Special Inspector General for Financial Institution Crime. The reporting requirements part seems more like it belongs in the Fine the Bank CEOs Caught Protecting Criminal Employees Act Still Legal for the Rich Act, but then again IANAL and at least it's better than the status quo

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Jul 15, 2018

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

spacetoaster posted:

Is taking money from the dnc/dccc the same as taking corporate money?

Yes

DNC rolls back Obama ban on contributions from federal lobbyists - The Washington Post (Feb. 12, 2016)

DNC votes unanimously to no longer accept money from fossil fuel companies – ThinkProgress (Jun. 12, 2018)


They took five steps back when no one was looking and one step forward when they suspected people were catching on

galenanorth
May 19, 2016


https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-map-of-israeli-settlements-that-shocked-barack-obama

This is occupation. It's systematic settlement to transform the de facto borders of Palestine into a landlocked version of an archipelago and make a two-state solution involving the West Bank as part of Palestine less possible.

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jul 16, 2018

galenanorth
May 19, 2016


maybe all the Democrats should switch parties if they win midterms just so they can wear an R to a "come to Jesus" meeting with Trump that the Republicans and Trump don't show up to

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Condiv posted:

i think she's trying to point them out to her idiot followers to dogpile on

cause her ego's just that fragile

https://twitter.com/joanwalsh/status/1018956482098810880

She jumped straight to accusing people of betraying the country with some "Excuse me, sir?" tweet and then said it was because she was so tired from traveling she couldn't think straight

well, at least if she's tired it means she doesn't have to take an Ambien

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

PathAsc posted:

"look, only one thing can ever be done at a time"

-dems, pretty much always

Lol

and then they have to cut that short to take an August recess, but only when they control Congress

galenanorth
May 19, 2016


I remember 2007 when "a path to citizenship" turned out to mean returning back "home" and applying there for "moderate" Republicans like John McCain. If I ever meet someone like this, I'll ask "What do you want that path to be?" and probably break their brains at the thought of having to express the policy that they'd want to see implemented instead of waiting for the compromise thought up in a backroom where everyone is responsible so no one is responsible and it's just the way things are.

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

comedyblissoption posted:

actually well you see according to this website here based on voting records hillary is 99% as left as bernie

furthermore,

the thing about using only voting records is that you can't miss the shots you don't take, and the Senate is pretty good at making sure good bills from the House don't even get a floor vote so as to tarnish their records

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Every time a politician or especially ambassador shows up in Star Trek they're a villain and/or a complete idiot rear end in a top hat that needs to be constantly bailed out by Starfleet and the godlike alien of the week

I think the alien President of the Federation showed up briefly in DS9 and he seemed reasonable enough tho.

I am going to be honest, I watched through the 2-parter where the Changelings invaded Earth and a coup was attempted by a Starfleet admiral by faking the appearance of a cloaked fleet of enemy ships coming through the wormhole by setting it up to open and close automatically and they had me all "marital law? well I dunno" 'til the second half where they did the "surprise! if you fell for this you might want to re-evalulate yourself" reveal

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Theris posted:

Bryce is getting infected with succ to the point that he's sending out DCCC-style "WE'RE GOING TO LOSE :cry:" fundraising emails.


I am not okay with this.

"You should donate to my campaign because THEM :supaburn:"

instead of asking for donations to support the advancement of enumerated policies

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

anime was right posted:

its not very hard to say "obama saved us from hitting a situation worse than the great depression, now with the stable platform im gonna put more money in your pockets" somehow hillary hosed up this extremely easy messaging

That is a good argument from her end, but I still don't think the bailout was a good idea

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

The thing about the common "oh, they paid it back and we made a $15.3 billion profit on $426.4 billion invested after six years" defense of the bailout is that it doesn't account for inflation, normally when banks give loans to us, they get compounding interest on it and a lot more profit than 3.5% for all that risk, or 0.5% per year, especially considering the mortgages were worthless. The profit is also never reported as having taken into account inflation. Federal Reserve Vice Chairman Alan Blinder and Moody's Analytics Chief Economist Mark Zandi claim the financial crisis would have been much worse without it, but I figure that doesn't mean they couldn't have addressed the financial crisis another way.

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Jul 20, 2018

galenanorth
May 19, 2016


lotta important stuff to do during this 51-49 Republican-controlled Congress under a Republican presidency, and it's not like he's built a backlog of bills ready to go when Democrats end the gridlock except for Medicare-for-All and College for All and the Raise the Wage Act and ...

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1020477432527245312

socialist red

the difference with Republican red is that it's less like "realtor jacket red" and more like the scarlet red which flows through proletarian's heart and circulatory system

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1020283568759738373

Joe Lieberman is the only modern VP candidate on one party's ticket who another party's presidential candidate regrets not putting on his ticket. Joe Lieberman was also the only senator for whom the Democrats campaigned over their own nominee, and then he killed the public option. The backing of Joe Lieberman by those who wanted a a "big tent" continues to reverberate with new effects throughout the worst timeline's history.

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Jul 21, 2018

galenanorth
May 19, 2016


"politically untenable" http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-medicare-for-all-public-option-bernie-sanders-plan-support-2018-3

galenanorth
May 19, 2016


Did she say how to fix the "highly negative" political climate? Did she give her opinion on how this highly negative political climate came about or who was responsible? If not, I am guessing she used the passive voice so she wouldn't have to talk about it and accuse anyone beyond Donald Trump, and the message boils down to restating "kick Trump out of office" in as many ways as possible.

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Rastor posted:

gently caress this poo poo, red is our color. It was stolen by ABC News in 1980 and now I say we take it back

while looking through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states I noticed the quote

"We don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the red states." and then it occurred to me that he tried to do absolutely nothing about that

galenanorth
May 19, 2016


She stood for things like a 3 year moratorium on student loans for entrepreneurs, when most people aren't looking to take out new loans to start a business after having student loans. Here are the requirements for starting up a fast food franchise as an example of a business qualifying for SBA loans: $20,000 to $35,000 on average, although the most major chains require applicants to have $750,000 in liquid assets. The problem is that when a policy is both ineffective and boring enough, it is like it turns off people's object permanency because it is not worth remembering for more than a few minutes.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160316080245/https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/plan-raise-american-incomes/

"access to capital"

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Jul 22, 2018

galenanorth
May 19, 2016


it's civil for the establishment to attack non-incumbent candidates through the DCCC asking them to resign, plotting, and calling certain candidates un-American, but not civil for non-incumbents to attack the establishment

galenanorth
May 19, 2016


it's really really important that people keep listening to people who want to privatize Social Security like they'll suddenly have something new and insightful to say you haven't heard before

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

"McClatchy posted:

Poll data from 2016 would suggest Third Way’s approach has some merit: A Gallup poll from October 2016 found that voters thought Trump was actually less less [sic] conservative than prior GOP nominees. Clinton, meanwhile, was seen as as liberal as former President Barack Obama.

Here is the poll they are referring toward: https://news.gallup.com/poll/196064/trump-seen-less-conservative-prior-gop-candidates.aspx

Of course, the same poll shows that Obama was seen as much more liberal than his predecessors at the time of the 2008 election, but that wasn't worth mentioning to them.

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

New Yorker posted:

“The Chickenshit Club” is about a specific vocational temperament. When James Comey took over as the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, in 2002, Eisinger tells us, he summoned his young prosecutors for a pep talk. For graduates of top law schools, a job as a federal prosecutor is a brass ring, and the Southern District of New York, which has jurisdiction over Wall Street, is the most selective office of them all. Addressing this ferociously competitive cohort, Comey asked, “Who here has never had an acquittal or a hung jury?” Several go-getters, proud of their unblemished records, raised their hands.

But Comey, with his trademark altar-boy probity, had a surprise for them. “You are members of what we like to call the Chickenshit Club,” he said.

Most people who go to law school are risk-averse types. With their unalloyed drive to excel, the élite young attorneys who ascend to the Southern District have a lifetime of good grades to show for it. Once they become prosecutors, they are invested with extraordinary powers. In a world of limited public resources and unlimited wrongdoing, prosecutors make decisions every day about who should be charged and tried, who should be allowed to plead, and who should be let go. This is the front line of criminal justice, and decisions are made unilaterally, with no review by a judge. Even in the American system of checks and balances, there are few fetters on a prosecutor’s discretion. A perfect record of convictions and guilty pleas might signal simply that you’re a crackerjack attorney. But, as Comey implied, it could also mean that you’re taking only those cases you’re sure you’ll win—the lawyerly equivalent of enrolling in a gut class for the easy A.

This section of the article provides context on one of the reasons why white collar crime prosecutions reached a 20 year low, but they bring it up like it''s an anecdote in favor of Comey, instead of bringing up questions about why he hired them if he thought their records were due to being in the Chickenshit Club. The reader is supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt that he had corroborating information in favor of their abilities at his disposal, or else he wouldn't be in that position.

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

so I was looking for concrete evidence of the effect on small business loans on inequality and found

http://www.nber.org/papers/w20543
https://smallbiztrends.com/2016/11/entrepreneurship-increases-income-inequality.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbes...s/#758ce1b055c4
http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/the-entrepreneur-gap-facing-women-and-minorities/

Small business loans decrease average wages, so it's not good for workers overall, but entrepreneurship increases income inequality. Latinos and African-Americans have 11 to 16 times less wealth than whites, and African-Americans have unequal access to small businesses startup capital compared to whites, $35,205 to $106,720. Democrats only want to address equality of opportunity for the professional class in the top 20% which already have the capital for a business to thrive, i.e. their donor base, to move into the top 1%, and they play this buzzword game to hide how they're conning everybody else.

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Jul 23, 2018

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1021374479933452288

How's about applying this to the primaries by mentioning how both Trump and center-of-right Dems purport to be STRONG on national security and foreign policy on their campaign sites, because everything has to be about metaphorical strength with them

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Condiv posted:

sooooo... he wants to elect a republican as a democrat? or does he want a republican to have a dem vp? i mean i get the irony of him being "fatigued of tired white men" and picking as his choice for president, but is this centrist's brain so wormy he's forgotten that the dem and republican parties are technically two distinct parties?

sounds like someone sad that America missed the McCain-Lieberman vs Lieberman-McCain boat in 2008

galenanorth
May 19, 2016


Chelsea Handler posted:

Yeah, I’m an elitist. I tried very hard to become one.

galenanorth
May 19, 2016


"I have faith that he's seen information we haven't" is like the liberal version of the "nth-dimensional chess" meme

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Jul 24, 2018

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

phasmid posted:

We need more anti hill tags on twitter. Something unambiguous. #handsoffbitch or something like that. We've known she's gonna run again but drat that ozyfest nonsense lacks self-awareness down to its loving name. They're going to hand the election to Trump. All he's gotta do is wait for her to announce and then start a war.

maybe #shesnotwithus

or #hillarysnotwithus if they tried to turn it against someone like Ocasio-Cortez or Rep. Barbara Lee

galenanorth
May 19, 2016


suck zone

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

https://twitter.com/acesanderson/status/1021530709083807745

You can really track the chain of development of ignorance here, as the retired guy who spends all day fishing assumes that because someone told her off about needing to go back to school, that she hadn't finished school at all.

https://twitter.com/MsRJensen/status/1021535956296499200

"Civics and manners" because she violates decorum, "Social Studies, Geography, World History, and Geo-Politics" because she said something the tweeter disagrees with, and English because she's brown.

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

Lisbon has some of the most aggressive rent control policies in the western world and it never fails to make the highly rational and intellectual liberals at the NYT melt down.

It's an injustice that a family of restaurant workers gets to pay 50 euros a month next to some yuppie ghoul paying 3000.

Reading this made me realize that maybe we could bring back FDR's WWII price controls at a federal level, except for rent control with vacancy decontrol. The Supreme Court has ruled that this is constitutional during wartime, writing “a nation which can demand the lives of its men and women in the waging of . . . war is under no constitutional necessity of providing a system of price control . . . which will assure each landlord a ‘fair return’ on his property”. Its justification would exploit Hamdi v. Rumsfeld's interpretation that courts are prohibited by the Constitution from interfering with the president's warmaking powers in a matter of national security.

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galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Israel-Palestine diplomacy might be easier if they used a fictional currency where start with 1,000,000 points each. That way, they can list demands and available concessions using them, and it will be easier to assign a premium on the risk of taking the first step. With a point incentive and the premium, both sides will be more willing to risk conceding something first and the other side not following through.

More concretely, once there's an Israeli administration willing to make any concessions at all on the Israeli settlement issue, for example, in turn there could be Israeli observers of Palestinian law enforcement to make sure they are doing everything they can to prevent attacks by civilians on Israeli crop fields via air balloon while providing them the resources for that if they are not available, and that'd be a step-up from Israel's current response of retaliation with bombardment.

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