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Hemingway To Go! posted:People shouldn't go "oh he'll be fine lol", they should think if Gunn can be fired, who else could be next. 
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First they came to the bad movie directors, but I didn't speak out because loving lol
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Sep 12, 2018 22:52
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When this whole thing went down months ago a bunch of people went into a wild panic prophesying that now that weird Mike had discovered that he had the power to get people fired he would wield it indiscriminately to ruin careers left and right. Then he tried to do it Dan Harmon and Michael Ian Black and other random people and the world collectively shrugged and nothing happened and Rick and Morty an Emmy and it turns out that the secret to Weird Mike’s power is the victim has to work for Disney, and have made public jokes about raping children, and also be considered replaceable talent. You know, just like McCarthyism.
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Sep 13, 2018 02:01
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Jokes made before he worked for Disney
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Sep 13, 2018 02:12
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CelticPredator posted:Jokes made before he worked for Disney Sure. If you made kid rape jokes on twitter before you went to work for Disney and you are moderately famous but ultimately replaceable then your job may be in jeopardy.
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Sep 13, 2018 02:21
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Hm. Yeah. So replaceable they've already already hired a new filmmaker to helm the series and they're starting filming next month. Oh wait a minute.
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Sep 13, 2018 02:30
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CelticPredator posted:Hm. Yeah. So replaceable they've already already hired a new filmmaker to helm the series and they're starting filming next month. If they didn’t think he was replaceable they wouldn’t have fired him. There’s a reason why dudes like Depp get a pass for far worse poo poo.
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Sep 13, 2018 02:41
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I'm glad they found a replacement and the Guardians franchise is going strong.
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Sep 13, 2018 02:43
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What "Guardians franchise?"
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Sep 13, 2018 03:33
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The one that has 2 movies, a TV show, and two theme park rides (one in the works now).
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Sep 13, 2018 03:34
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A joke that was approved by Disney.
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CelticPredator posted:The one that has 2 movies, a TV show, and two theme park rides (one in the works now). Thank god Star-Lord will live on in roller coaster form I guess.
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Sep 13, 2018 05:59
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Alhazred posted:A joke that was approved by Disney. Well yes, as pointed out, Disney are hypocrites.
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Sep 13, 2018 06:26
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:First they came to the bad movie directors, but I didn't speak out because loving lol So how talented should a director be before it's okay to go after him/her because of their political beliefs?
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Sep 13, 2018 10:41
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Alhazred posted:So how talented should a director be before it's okay to go after him/her because of their political beliefs? Gunn was neither blacklisted nor was he fired for his political beliefs.
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Sep 13, 2018 10:57
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Sure. If you made kid rape jokes on twitter before you went to work for Disney and you are moderately famous but ultimately replaceable then your job may be in jeopardy. Let's clarify. Jokes made before he worked for Disney which Disney was aware of at the time of his hiring. Jokes that he had apologized for and deleted years ago, which Cernovich had to actually put effort into re-revealing that he said it once. It's not like this stuff was a surprise that suddenly came out. Disney was fully aware of the jokes' existence and gave him his second chance. Cernovich just found a way to throw up a renewed stink about it and Disney made a panicky knee-jerk move that is now backfiring badly.
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Sep 13, 2018 13:18
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chitoryu12 posted:Let's clarify. Jokes made before he worked for Disney which Disney was aware of at the time of his hiring. Jokes that he had apologized for and deleted years ago So why did he still make rape jokes?
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Sep 13, 2018 13:21
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Gunn was neither blacklisted nor was he fired for his political beliefs. So Chernovich would've made a big deal about the tweets if Gunn hadn't said anything about Trump?
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Sep 13, 2018 14:22
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Alhazred posted:So Chernovich would've made a big deal about the tweets if Gunn hadn't said anything about Trump? Publicizing someone's tweets is not political persecution.
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Sep 13, 2018 14:28
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Alhazred posted:So Chernovich would've made a big deal about the tweets if Gunn hadn't said anything about Trump? You’re continually making the mistake of blaming Cernovich for the incident when you should be blaming Disney. Cernovich is a dickwad and a poo poo-stirrer, for sure, but the decision to fire Gunn didn’t come down to him, it came down to Disney. Talking poo poo about Donald Trump is not what got James Gunn fired. Working for a gutless corporation is what got James Gunn fired.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Publicizing someone's tweets is not political persecution.  Pirate Jet posted:You’re continually making the mistake of blaming Cernovich for the incident when you should be blaming Disney. Believe me, I have no problem blaming both.
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Sep 13, 2018 15:09
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Are you trying to say that publicizing tweets is political persecution, and thus you're now politically persecuting Mike Cernovich?
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Are you trying to say that publicizing tweets is political persecution, and thus you're now politically persecuting Mike Cernovich? I don't care if you want to call it political persecution or not. Cernovich went after Gunn and wanted to cause him harm because he had a political opinion he didn't like.
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Sep 13, 2018 15:41
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Supporting Trump is probably a bigger red flag for toxicity than making bad taste jokes on the internet 5 years ago.
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Sep 13, 2018 15:45
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chitoryu12 posted:Let's clarify. Jokes made before he worked for Disney which Disney was aware of at the time of his hiring. Jokes that he had apologized for and deleted years ago, which Cernovich had to actually put effort into re-revealing that he said it once. Disney is a huge company and I doubt someone personally got all of the important old white men together in a room and read them tweets about loving kids so they could make a fully informed decision about hiring James Gunn. But yea, of course Disney sucks, that’s not news.
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Alhazred posted:I don't care if you want to call it political persecution or not. Cernovich went after Gunn and wanted to cause him harm because he had a political opinion he didn't like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiIwQr5QdZk&t=4s
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Pirate Jet posted:You’re continually making the mistake of blaming Cernovich for the incident when you should be blaming Disney. Cernovich is a dickwad and a poo poo-stirrer, for sure, but the decision to fire Gunn didn’t come down to him, it came down to Disney. Talking poo poo about Donald Trump is not what got James Gunn fired. Working for a gutless corporation is what got James Gunn fired. Its not like Mike Cernovich weaponized rapidly spreading online outrage mobs in the first place, he just turned that weapon towards James Gunn. The issue is larger than and preceded Mike C.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Disney is a huge company and I doubt someone personally got all of the important old white men together in a room and read them tweets about loving kids so they could make a fully informed decision about hiring James Gunn. It's rather stupid to hire someone who very openly makes jokes about kids getting raped, along with a bazillion other shocking jokes, and then fire them seven years later in the middle of a major movie's production because somebody drew attention to the fact that they made shocking jokes about things like kids getting raped. I mean, unless you hate money and smooth movie production. Either Gunn's history of making those sorts of jokes was perfectly fine at Disney until it started getting bad press, or else someone at Disney seriously believed that Mike Cernovich, a conspiracy theorist known for running smear jobs on his opponents and falsely accusing people of pedophilia, had just outed their director as a pedophile. If it was the former, then it was very stupid to fire Gunn before most of the press could even react to the story, and if it was the latter then someone at Disney is so bad at their job that they should have zero decision-making responsibilities.
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It is possible that Disney didn't know about them, but Feige definitely did. He wouldn't hire Gunn to direct anything for them if he wasn't already familiar with his work. Kevin Feige apparently being okay with this pisses me off even more than anything else about this story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IdM84YVmV0&t=80s Get this man a job at Disney!
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yeah, the important part there isn't that the comments were made before he worked at disney, it's that disney was almost certainly aware of Gunn's hosed up tendencies prior to working for them, to the point where they may have actively hired him because of that like, putting up with it for a long time and then going "oops well guess you're out" when loving Mike Cernovich of all people tries to raise a stink is some gently caress poo poo, regardless of how or why, or even where you land on it being okay or not
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CelticPredator posted:It is possible that Disney didn't know about them, but Feige definitely did. He wouldn't hire Gunn to direct anything for them if he wasn't already familiar with his work. Kevin Feige apparently being okay with this pisses me off even more than anything else about this story. Feige pre-dates Marvel's acquisition by Disney. I'm sure his main concern when hiring Gunn for Guardians of the Galaxy was if he could make movies that are good and which would bring in money for the studio, not if he was on-brand with Disney's image. From a creative and financial point of view, Gunn was almost certainly the correct choice for director; Disney should have looked into and nixed Feige's hiring of Mr. Edgy at a higher level in the food chain since they have far less tolerance for offensiveness than any other studio. Somebody dropped the ball hard, but I certainly wouldn't place any of the blame for this fiasco on Feige.
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Super came out four years before GOTG. It features a scene where Ellen Page explicitly rapes Rainn Wilson, and is later graphically shot in the head. If you think that Disney, a company that probably has a whole team devoted to picking out what straws they use at their theme parks on aesthetic merits alone, didn't vet that poo poo, you're out of your mind.
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Fart City posted:Super came out four years before GOTG. It features a scene where Ellen Page explicitly rapes Rainn Wilson, and is later graphically shot in the head. You could argue that maybe Disney doesn't care about the content of the films their directors and writers made during their pre-Disney employment (it's art!), they only care about their actions and things like their social media posts, but how could they have completely missed stuff like this blog post where Gunn makes a long joke about beating his girlfriend? Like I said, I skimmed through parts of this blog, and he makes a couple hosed-up and offensive jokes about things like rape or child molestation or incest on like every single page. I assume his twitter feed was probably about the same. Disney either did zero vetting other than poo poo like a basic background check, or else they knew perfectly well what Gunn's online presence was like and didn't care whatsoever until Cernovich brought it up.
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Sucrose posted:Disney either did zero vetting other than poo poo like a basic background check, or else they knew perfectly well what Gunn's online presence was like and didn't care whatsoever until Cernovich brought it up. Or the people who vetted him aren’t the same ones that fired him, and the ones that fired him perhaps didn’t know specific details, merely that he’d made some unsavory posts but that was in the past. Corporations are massive, inefficient bureaucracies, it’s not really hard to imagine that there were people working off of incomplete information.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:First they came to the bad movie directors, but I didn't speak out because loving lol Then they came for the sentimentalized manchildren, and BravestOfTheLamps literally could not stop speaking, possibly due to severe brain damage.
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We're all very sorry that there is no more Star-Lord because of internet Nazis. We should have acted.
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https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/09/20/james-gunn-firing-guardians-of-the-galaxy-bob-iger-disney-comments/ Disney CEO Breaks Silence on James Gunn Firing From 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3' "I would say there is a blend of my helping to make the decision to my supporting the decisions that have been made," Iger told THR. "Roseanne was completely unanimous. We discussed how it would be communicated and when because there were a number of entities that had to be properly filled in, but the decision was completely unanimous. The James Gunn decision was brought to me as a unanimous decision of a variety of executives at the studio, and I supported it." Edit: not sure how a decision can be "unanimous" when not everybody got a say, but corporations gonna corporate.
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Roseanne was more important and required the higher ups to consider all the ramifications and how to deal with things. James gunn was some nobodies lower down went "whelp" and told their bosses they needed to get rid and they looked at the numbers and went yeah cool whatever.
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Aleph Null posted:Adding to this. He fought to ironically use pop music to undercut the seriousness of a scene. This isn't praise for GOTG so much as it is utterly damning of the MCU. It would seem that directors have to fight to do what the MCU always does. PoptartsNinja posted:JJ Abrams makes space feel small. There was nothing optimistic about his Star Trek, and because of it CBS learned "people like prequels, we should do more prequels!" so we got the utterly joyless Star Trek: Discovery. JJ Trek created a universe where TNG can never happen all so they could have movies where popular mischaracterizations of Kirk and Spock fight terrorists and black government space helicopters while Leonard Nemoy nods approvingly as he watches Vulcan explode from another solar system. Maybe Star Trek Beyond turned it around, but I never saw it and I don't particularly care to. It was different for the sake of being different, like the Klingons in STD, and the only moment of enjoyment I got was the beginning of the second movie where Kirk and Spock saved an alien planet from being destroyed by a single volcano (there's that scale issue again!). So, just to clarify, two sci fi franchises that enshrined and protected the status quo are cynical, but GOTG, where they fight to protect the status quo, and is part of the MCU, where the status quo is absolutely never challenged, is optimistic? Just checking that those are, respectively, your criticisms and defences of the two franchises. chitoryu12 posted:They're not quite criminals after the first film. They're still rougher and more on the outside of the law, but they're generally fighting to keep people safe rather than committing crime or hunting bounties for profit. They probably earned more cred with the Nova Corps than any other life form in the galaxy by warning them of Ronan's attack and saving basically the entire galaxy from him. They're privateers in service of a civilisation that has a giant corrupt prison. That's not much of a high ground.
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Snowman_McK posted:So, just to clarify, two sci fi franchises that enshrined and protected the status quo are cynical, but GOTG, where they fight to protect the status quo, and is part of the MCU, where the status quo is absolutely never challenged, is optimistic? I think it's a bit disingenuous to say the Guardians "fight to protect the status quo" when all three conflicts they've been involved in had the alternative to the status quo be "the entire universe is devastated beyond belief." Like Britain and America weren't defending the status quo when they kicked Hitler out of France.
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