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Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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Anidav posted:

Be honest here, how many of you think Scott Morrison will win the next election.

I don't, and for bonus points, I don't think Matty Guy will win either.

Not strongly enough to toxx over it, because Australians are still fundamentally a terrible people, but enough to put it in writing.

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Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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hambeet posted:

I feel there is a greater semblance of awareness here as to what does and does not win elections in Australia.

Maybe at a federal level, but the Vic Libs don't really have a clue about anything. If they did, they wouldn't have had a one-term government last time, and wouldn't have put Matthew "lobster with a mobster, openly corrupt, sell off all the land in Victoria" Guy as Party leader.

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froglet posted:

Genuinely curious how high petrol prices have to be for people to drive less, if not stop entirely.

It's not just about petrol prices, people also have to have alternatives. Sure, probably most people drive out of laziness/inertia, but for some it's literally their only reliable and available method of transport. Those people are just gonna get hosed over hard by rising prices, with no real alternatives but to take it.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

'Existence' is apparently the concept that makes old white people into fascists

Ftfy

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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Vic Labor announced they're funding three year old kinder.

Edit: actually I think it's Federal Labor funding it? Whatever, kids in schools.

Whitlam fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Oct 4, 2018

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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Aesculus posted:

It's kind of lovely and racist for a country to be run entirely by white people who haven't experienced a shred of discrimination or tried to understand minority issues at all in their lives.

I don't think anyone is arguing that greater racial representation in Parliament is bad, just that "I'm X race, you're X race, therefore you should vote for me" is lovely reasoning. If a white candidate ran against a non-white candidate and said "vote for me because I'm white", the thread would (rightfully) be up in arms.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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hooman posted:

Think about what the difference is to say to a population who is underrepresented in Parliament "I am like you, vote for me to give you representation" compared to saying to a population who is over represented "I am like you, vote for me to maintain our hegemony of exclusion". Come on Whitlam.

You're right that it's a somewhat disingenuous analogy so I'll withdraw it, but there's still an underlying principle that voting for someone solely on the basis of X characteristic is dumb. I wouldn't vote for a poo poo female candidate on the basis of I'm a woman and I think we need more in Parliament. If your primary (or only) reason for voting for someone is some characteristic that's out of their control and isn't policy-related, fine, vote how you want, but good luck convincing others that they're anything more than a token.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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hambeet posted:



more pokies yo

Are CCV members even likely to vote for the Greens in the first place?

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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Urcher posted:

As in the popular Turkish wheat salad?

Always disgusting to see whataboulism in practice.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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MysticalMachineGun posted:

What conspiracy theories are out there regarding Port Arthur?

In addition to what others have said, speculation about a second shooter.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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Don Dongington posted:

They should just sack them all and replace them with nothing but Kitty Flannagan ripping the piss out of the stupid poo poo bogans say.

This but Sunrise.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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Is that their third spectacular self-own this week, assuming they sent it?

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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Standardised testing can sometimes be inherently useless depending on the test and how it's written. In the '90s my mum was sent to investigate this school in a remote indigenous community in WA ("charter plane only because there are no commercial flights here" level remote). The test they were given had the kids shown a picture, and they then had to describe what was happening in it. Simple enough, right?

Except the picture was a very traditionally Anglo kitchen with a fridge, gramophone, a sink, and Pekinese. These kids were overwhelmingly living in one or two room shacks, and most had never even seen half the stuff in the picture before, let alone be able to talk about it and what it does.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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Reclines Obesily posted:

oo reporter grabbed tanya and she got pissed

Tanya said "I just need to check something" and tried to run off camera, I wonder if she was just getting word of something important. Or she was just pissed at being grabbed, w/e.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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ScoMo, Frydenberg and Sharma look miserable. Which you'd expect, but it's still nice to see.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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:tif:

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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Lol Turnbull's touched down in Sydney. I love how clearly he doesn't give a gently caress. If I was Turnbull I'd probably take my money and tell them to gently caress themselves, too.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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Just realised my local independent candidate has the suburbs in the electorate listed on her giant billboards and says she'll be a voice for us. One of the suburbs listed is not in the electorate. :downsbravo:

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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Lid posted:

Nothing about this sounds like anything other than teens being dumb.

Just a social experiment, bro.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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Some Mardi Gras members want the Liberal float, Scott Morrison, and some commercial organisations banned from next year's parade.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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Count Chocula posted:

What alternatives do they offer? They torture refugees. They take money from the gambling lobby. They continue the drug war. It’s the same reason Hillary lost - the centre left party didn’t offer a real alternative.

You are not as informed about Australian politics as you think you are if you can make this statement with a straight face. Do Labor do lovely things? Sure. Does that therefore make them exactly the same as the Libs? Not even close.

I'm not particularly interested in having the debate in full but Hillary lost for many reasons, not just the Dems not being left enough.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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hidys posted:

I hope Turnbull continues to undermine the government.

I suspect you will be a happy goon.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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My hot take prediction for the Vic election is Andrews government re-elected in its own right.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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thatbastardken posted:

I had a breakdown before I finished property law but I thought adverse possession required the owner being aware and not acting?

Varies by state and it's been a few years since I did it but from memory in Vic they don't have to know. In fact, not bothering to check up on the land ever is a great way of demonstrating you're forfeiting your rights.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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Is that picture from the Hun? Because if so, 1st implies at least a 2nd is coming. Not that I think this particularly is one (and not that I think anyone who votes Green generally reads the Herald Sun), but you know what I mean.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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Don Dongington posted:

It's just porn for middle aged tory shitbags.

Nevermind the almost weekly scandals by Liberals and Nationals in all levels of government..

Oh yeah absolutely, I just mean I wonder if "1st scandal" means they have more "scandals" coming up. Hope she didn't quit her job.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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Chicken Parmigiana posted:

I mean, why not give it a shot?

Minor effort post incoming. I'm purely responding to the question, not saying my opinion or whether I agree or not.

My bet would be because (my understanding is) it's a very winnable spot, and they'd rather not take the chance of loving up what should be an easy goal. The "sympathetic to shoplifters" demographic isn't a huge one, especially in an election where crime is an issue for a lot of people. I honestly don't see any situation in which this wins her more votes than it loses, so why not sever? Candidates have fallen on less.

Joking and irony posting aside, rightly or wrongly, most neutral audiences are actually not down with voting for someone who is actively bragging and joking about theft and drug use on social media, even if it's from years ago, even if it's against a mega corp who won't feel the effects of it. If nothing else, best case scenario is it shows exceedingly poor judgement. If I'm an undecided/unaligned voter, why am I going to take a chance and vote on someone who seems, at best, a bit of a nuffy? Nobody who wasn't already predisposed to voting for the Greens is going to read that and go "well I was on the fence about voting for her, but a home delivery service for nangs? Sign me the gently caress up!"

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Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

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AgentF posted:

Yeah but Dutton fell afoul of s44 and is fine. Why would the government refer this new guy to the High Court?

Kerryn Phelps.

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