Prester Jane posted:

Also a clarification on how I view my own work, I label myself an "Outsider Theorist". In that my theories have largely been formed in complete ignorance of the academic world as well as coming at the same problem of human behavior from a very different angle. It is my goal to make my work as interesting, internally consistent, and formally structured as possible.

That said I fully recognize that because of my illness there will always be problems in my work and it will never truly be "correct". It is my belief that the full value of my work cna only be realized by formally trained academics using it as a springboard to create something better- bringing my ideas "Inside" if you will. In essence I believe that if I am truly on to something with all this then someday my work will leave my hands and its growth/direction taken over by formally trained scientists.

So it is my intent to never attempt to create a formal scientific theory so much as to create a novel conceptual framework that an actual scientist could use to create a formal scientific theory. I accept and acknowledge the limitations that places on my work- but I also believe this the best way for me personally to develop this project.

Willie Tomg posted:

once upon a time i was a self-educated hard and scrappy teen who hosed up a college path, then un-hosed it, because in bumfuck Nowheresville, Vermont, i was the smartest and hardest working dude in the room which isn't that hard to do really now that i've had over a decade of context about the matter. one of the Notions i prided myself on was this thing i thought up while on a shitload of psychedelic mushrooms i grew one autumn; where like cells formed a constituent Body, so too did human beings constitute organs constituting a greater social organism. all within my peer group of loving idiots thought this was no less than pure brilliance.


anyway, in my second week of college my intro sociology class began discussing Durkheim and Functionalism, and well,

Halloween Jack posted:

"The theory applies to political behaviour, but it's not limited to that!" I knew that would be the first response. But we're pretty much only talking about political behaviour.

Prester Jane posted:

Someone who assumes that they are a hero with an important destiny and that their actions are going to change the world- therefore they never really much contemplated what would happen if their plan either went awry or completely failed.

Also pipe bombs aren't the most complicated thing in the world to construct, many years back I knew a couple of beers swilling rednecks who had a hobby of constructing pipe bombs and setting them off on their back woods property.





https://mobile.twitter.com/mmfa/sta...genumber%3D5829



It's getting really really really obvious just how blatantly fascist the NRA is becoming.

Dead Beef posted:

Hello thread,
What do you guys think about this:
Body odour disgust sensitivity predicts authoritarian attitudes

Authoritarians exploit unconscious feelings of disgust, something which we evolved to protect ourselves from disease.

Ethnic "purity"
Cultural "purity"
Moral "purity"
Does this language exploit an evolutionary defense mechanism?
A desire to cleanse impurities (eg: "drain the swamp", emphasizing traditional values, deporting immigrants, committing genocide, etc)
A desire to be protected from infection (eg: "build the wall", strengthening the military, isolationism)

Authoritarians have a heightened fear of being infected or contaminated, and if they feel infected then they want to be purified/cleansed.
They frame many issues in a way that exploits this particular fear. For instance Islam is often described like a disease which is spreading. They often make claims about the moral decay of society, do they mean to say that society is diseased? Foreigners and minorities are depicted as dirty, both literally and symbolically. Foreign ideas and culture are contaminants. Outsider mores will infect our society and lead to various kinds of sickness. The authoritarian believes a "deep state" has infiltrated their government and infected their country. The authoritarian believes the media is a vector of disease, the media spreads what they unconsciously feel is a threat to their social or cultural (or even racial) hygiene. Authoritarians flock to leaders who relieve their anxiety by promising to protect their borders, build a stronger military, return to traditional values and greatness, and cast out the foreign bodies (and ideas) that infect us.


I think authoritarians choose language which trigger feelings of disgust to gain power. I think you can make a person more sympathetic to authoritarianism by showing them disgusting images or alluding to other disgust-provoking ideas. I think an authoritarian is one who has become obsessed with ethnic, cultural, and/or moral hygiene. The authoritarian has a strong desire for "purity" which might stem from an evolutionary aversion to disease.

Just some things I think, feel free to disregard or disagree, I'm not going to pretend to be an expert here, I'm just an observer.

Prester Jane posted:

Can I request that we table this particular discussion until after I've posted my big effort post about Structuralists and Integrators?

It's not that I'm trying to resist developing my thinking or improving or that I'm not reading the things people are suggesting to me, I just want to get the rough draft of these ideas down first at this point in time. My big goal right now is just to get a pencil outline down and build from there.

You have to understand how my mind works and give me some allowances for that, I'm trying to move beyond internet shitposting but I need to get this all down first before I can do that.

Prester Jane posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/johnsonj...genumber%3D5939

https://mobile.twitter.com/adamjohn...genumber%3D5939

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/1056692366470471682

R. Dieovich posted:

no, i definitely think this theory is a dead end and moves people away from truly liberatory frames of thinking. but that has nothing to do with probations given for kale-style narcissism and we've discussed this ad nauseum over pms.

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

if you're going to take this weird persecution complex to cspam and cry this much over perfectly valid criticism and a day probe I'm just going to close the thread or move it to d&d, which fits it a lot better tbh

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

how the gently caress is this harassment lol


unless you think correctly pointing out how fundamentally stupid all this is counts as harassment

call center manager posted:

I'll try for the latter.

Hallmarks of distinctly non-Narrativist behaviour


• Tolerance of dissent
  
• Metacognition and metareflection on the self
  
• Quick social adaptation to new contexts
  
• Openness to intellectually challenging or stimulating ideas
  
• Aversion of conflict, preference to de-escalate
  
• Ideal of proportionality in responding to threats
  
• No recognition of one ultimate authority in life that governs all norms and behaviour
  

Thanks, I'll start reading tomorrow.

Willie Tomg posted:

Dave Neiwert has been tracking this since the 90's. And didn't even need to make an internal alphabet to do it.

LordSaturn posted:

so why does willy get this and jane gets probed

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

transphobia lmao what the gently caress are you talking about

Jazerus posted:

this thread became a complete shitshow in d&d as fishmech and the like increasingly gained free reign there. the point of moving here was to escape the legacy of d&d and talk about this in a reasonable subforum, which hopefully might have included moderation against the people actively importing that legacy

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

ive only come to this thread via reports, which are almost always pj/someone saying someone is harassing prester jane when theyre just disagreeing with her. gently caress off.

Homeless Friend posted:

Dumb Lowtax posted:

Nothing belongs in D&D and you are doing a trash job of explaining yourself.

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

i have information that will lead to the six hour probation of hillary rodham clinton

Prester Jane posted:

To get this thread back on track: https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/st...ingawful.com%2F

RandomPauI posted:

I'm getting flashbacks to the Meuller thread.

Troll "What about the Iraq invasion?"
Mods "Yes, what ABOUT the Iraq invasion? Clearly, this is the right thread to talk about it because there are no other threads that are discussing the shitshow that has been the Iraq war."
Troll "Russia didn't help but if it did how would it be any different from Allende?"
Mods "Hmm. Good point, let's have a discussion about US imperialism?"
Posters "Or we can have that discussion in any of the other threads about US regional and global imperialism."
Mods "Don't make us issue sixers for stifling free discussion!"

At least our mods are still better than the ones at Reddit or Youtube.

uncop posted:

Is it just me and a coincidence regarding when news have been breaking out or did ICE agents get noticeably worse after that anarchist guy attacked them?

Prester Jane posted:

https://twitter.com/JoeMyGod/status/1192110117107335168?s=19

McGlockenshire posted:

I really don't wanna derail this thread more than needed, but you're seeing only the end result without any of the context.

I was a moderator on a discord with PPJ during those events. Everything described in the bit you're worried about was discussed at great length in moderator chat. I won't speak for anyone else or discuss the contents of the conversations, but I was heavily, heavily in favor of centralized nazi banning. None of this poo poo happened in a vacuum, and PPJ was not the only person acting or making decisions.

I can only assume that this information wasn't included in his post because he didn't want to drag us into the drama. I say this based on his public behavior and statements in that discord after the drama started. I stepped down as moderator there a few months ago.

Given what I know, I find it hard to believe that PPJ is a nazi or that his moderator actions are influenced by any bias against trans people. I'm not saying he didn't have it out for Prester Jane, just that I don't think that bigotry is the driver.

Facebook Aunt posted:

That's your choice, but putting yourself in smaller social circles so you don't have to interact with the wrong sort of people doesn't seem like a great long-term solution either. Self-segregation is ultimately still segregation. Negative peace allows for progress, slow progress but still progress, segregation does not.

Maybe just take a couple months off, let things blow over and settle down before you make an irrevocable decision to burn bridges? Winter is awful, things might look better in the spring. SA is miles more progressive than it was 10 years ago, be a shame to risk a permaban now and lock yourself out of whatever SA becomes tomorrow.

Prester Jane posted:

Every time an insider comes out on this story important the details change- particularly whether or not other people were involved in the spying or how aware other mods were of PPJ's clandestine activities. I appreciate what you are trying to do here McGlockenshire but at this point I just don't believe anything I hear about the PPJ situation anymore because its obvious that most people talking about it are knowingly obfuscating important details.


At this point my continuing participation in this community is starting to become something of a moral question (not the only poster that feels this way) and so my attitude st this point is "I takes my chances and I gets what I gets".


That said, the heart of the ongoing forums culture war imo is the result of an incompatability between two different worldviews resulting from different lived experiences- on one side you have people who have generally lived in relatively stable social environments (and thus prefer a "negative peace" status quo) and on the other side you have those who believe that the status quo must be continuously and constantly reinvented, and that this disruption should be intentionally conducted in pursuit of an agenda.