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Ginette Reno posted:So isn't 2020 a pretty lovely map for the Senate too? If I'm not mistaken vulnerable Republican senators = Cordy Gardner(Col), Susan Collins (Maine), and Thom Tillis (North Carolina). you just gotta make them vulnerable. with appealing leftist policy
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Nov 7, 2018 16:00
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Old James posted:My biggest issue with last night is how the it appears the lesson learned by Beto, Gillum, and Abrams' loss is that the Dems need to run more centrist candidates. But centrists lost in Indiana, Missouri, and North Dakota yet no talking head breathed a word of that. it's a refrain you'll always hear. if a leftist loses, it's damning evidence that we need to tack to the right. if a centrist loses... well that's been happening for a long time and the excuse is always that they leaned too far left
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Nov 7, 2018 16:02
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Old James posted:Someone in the election results thread was posting that the Florida amendment re-enfranchising felons first the person must repay their court fees. With these fees possibly being in the thousands and the limited employment opportunities for felons, many won't be able to pay to get their vote back. it'd probably just be best to pay off their debts with no strings attached exploded mummy posted:2020 is going to be the reverse of this year, where 11 D seats are up for grabs as opposed to 22 Republican seats hope he gets primaried
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Nov 7, 2018 16:05
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Soothing Vapors posted:But Pelosi didn't immediately smear her forehead in lambs' blood and start raving incoherently about vengeance, therefore Dems Bad you see don't pretend you wouldn't love this
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Nov 7, 2018 16:10
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Bernie would need a minority veep. Gillum or Abrams would be better picks. nina turner would be the best pick fight me
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Nov 7, 2018 20:32
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Lightning Knight posted:Is the lesson “gently caress Democrats who back Republican social policy” because I’m extremely here for that if so. he deserved to lose for that poo poo
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Nov 7, 2018 20:34
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Oxxidation posted:LK was nervously handwringing and groveling to suck zone within two days of being modded, it's tragicomic i can't believe LK is in the pocket of big succ!!
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Nov 7, 2018 22:47
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Why exactly were the threads combined again? The two threads had separate tones and communities and what exactly is supposed to be gained by forcing them together exactly? It's not like D&D has republican or conservative threads. So "light hearted chat about trump thread" and "angry at hilary clinton thread" are about the broadest political spectrum this forum has and both sets of posters are extremely annoyed by the other group and this thread is just going to be infinite complaining forever about that stuff. It's not like having two threads cost extra money or anything. breaking down of echo chambers is the purpose
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Nov 7, 2018 22:49
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Hellblazer187 posted:It's extremely important to some people that we know they don't like Democrats. One of those people became a mod and here we are.  haveblue posted:cacophony chambers are not necessarily an improvement about the only problem i see is this thread moves really really fast
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Nov 7, 2018 22:52
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FuturePastNow posted:What Pelosi says now, in the lame duck period before Dems have any power in the House, is completely irrelevant i mean, she's been saying it for quite a long time before that as well. i don't think she's just gonna turn on a dime and start being good, but we'll see
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Nov 7, 2018 23:05
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Majorian posted:Someone brought this up in the Dems 2020 thread, but Klobuchar's success in MN brings up a few possibilities. Actually targeting policies directly at their needs is a good idea - stuff like expanding broadband access and improving infrastructure. jobs too. a lot of rural areas have a dearth of jobs. and no, i don't mean jobs retraining programs are the answer, or telling truckers to learn php or something
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Nov 7, 2018 23:11
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Push El Burrito posted:They should tell people they'll bring the coal jobs back. nice snark another things dems can do to appeal to rural voters is healthcare. a lot of rural clinics are shutting down, and that's not great when you're being forced to pay for health insurance you can barely use also, dems should stop snuggling up to banks
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Nov 7, 2018 23:18
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Lycus posted:I'm sympathetic to arguments against retraining programs, when the jobs they retrain for require moving, which can be both financially and personally taxing. eaxctly!
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Nov 7, 2018 23:19
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I'm coming up blank on a person, but essentially someone with rural roots, and strong progressive bonafides, and maybe some government experience? bernie would knock it out of the park
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Nov 7, 2018 23:23
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Aurubin posted:Start a string of direct air capture factories making carbon fiber, plastics, chemical feedstocks, etc. You bring manufacturing jobs back to disenfranchised areas because they can be built anywhere, you need drivers to move the finished projects, and solve climate change all at once. Bing bong so simple. this is a pretty good idea plus tying combating climate change with rural jobs makes it harder for the GOP to slash said measures
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Nov 7, 2018 23:25
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Hellblazer187 posted:What are the Dem policies specifically that rural voters dont like? cuddling up to big banks isn't helping them forcing them to have expensive, unusable health insurance while all of the nearby clinics are shutting down is another telling them jobs are just gone and they aren't coming back is another but i would say one of the biggest problems is that dems really don't try and haven't tried to reach rural voters for a good while now. the dem party in my state is a skeletal husk with no resources and is ignored by the national dems. if you're not trying to reach people, you're not going to reach them, and the dems haven't been trying for these areas
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Nov 7, 2018 23:32
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sean10mm posted:It's absolutely legit to bash the Democrats for blowing their economic credibility with people with triangulating third way bullshit, but if you think say rural Tennessee would break blue if only Democrats would push harder for the little guy then just LOL. Socialism only sells in a lot of these places when it's Whites Only. As much as the Democratic record on civil rights is inadequate, a lot of these rural voters want to roll back to Jim Crow tier "keep them in their place" poo poo. if you immediately assume that you can't win these people without appealing to racism, you've trapped yourself into candidates like donnelly. actually pushing hard in red areas would be a much better start than just assuming they're unreachable.
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Nov 7, 2018 23:39
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Lightning Knight posted:Manchin won in West Virginia but that's mostly down to machine politics. If you cloned Manchin I do not think he would've won Donnelly or McCaskill's seats. there's also the fact that manchin is just an out and out republican at this point. it's not a good model to win back red states if your objective is to protect minorities, abortion, or anything else. as i've said, i think more direct messaging and building up trust in red states again would help a lot more.
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Nov 7, 2018 23:43
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sean10mm posted:Nah. I'm all for pushing Good Dems everywhere and not garbagemen, but you have to be realistic that if you're going to stick to your principles then some places will not be winnable in the short term. A depressing amount of rural american voters are not compatible with candidates that believe that black people are human beings. That's just an objective fact. it's not going to be quick wins for very obvious reasons, namely that the dems have left these areas to fester and left them to republicans unchallenged for a good deal of time. we've let our base atrophy in these areas (or even encouraged them to move away!), so we have to build from scratch again as for rural americans being insurmountably racist, i have bad news about the rest of america sean10mm even blue strongholds like chicago have trouble with the concept that black people are human beings
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Nov 7, 2018 23:49
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Adar posted:this is your depression talking btw, american society isn't collapsing by 2040 don't you think we're already starting down that road?
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Nov 7, 2018 23:52
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Lightning Knight posted:This is exactly the problem. If we could just wait out the right we would win by default eventually but we are out of time. Global warming is here. i'm actually surprised the dems are as muted as they are about climate change
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Nov 8, 2018 00:16
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Can populated blue states start incentivizing moving to blood red states? If California give a democrat voter 10K to move to a red state in a red district, it could move some needles. It sounds really dumb, but this self sorting that the democrats have done is a huge problem. no individual state is going to incentivize repopulating other states. it's against their own interests. dems making rural states and areas more livable with infrastructure investments and such would help a lot, but that would require the dems to commit to government spending, which they're deathly terrified of
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Nov 8, 2018 00:21
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Lightning Knight posted:If you think this is the future, your version of the Democratic Party is morally bankrupt and a waste of marginalized people's time. We have literal concentration camps for immigrants and Republicans are as we speak trying to kill Roe, social centrism is trash. indeed also: https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1060286024582975491 Condiv fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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Nov 8, 2018 00:25
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captainblastum posted:Nah, effectively a republican and actually a republican are not the same, even if both suck. i'm not sure the distinction is worthwhile when we're talking about a guy who would like to rip away jus soli and voted an unqualified rapist onto the supreme court
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Nov 8, 2018 00:34
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GreyjoyBastard posted:1) either your grammar is poorly chosen or you're being an antagonistic rear end in a top hat why is #2 true?
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Nov 8, 2018 00:43
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean I would argue the counterpoint to your idea is the fact that a number of women of color won in conservative districts and Lee loving Carter deposed the leader of the Republicans in the Virginia legislature. i love lee carter so much 
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Nov 8, 2018 00:46
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haha quote:"He was releasing everybody," said public defender Steven Halpert, who watched the string of surprising releases. "Apparently he was saying that's what the voters wanted." he meltdown'd himself into doing the right thing
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Nov 8, 2018 00:49
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Random Stranger posted:There's a difference between law and order republicans who were lovely and "The party is all! Obey the party!" republicans. The FBI is filled with the former which is why the current republican party is so mad at them: they support the law rather than their team. would you say cops are law and order republicans too?
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Nov 8, 2018 00:53
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Random Stranger posted:Not even remotely. You might notice that there's a difference between people who have to have college degrees in legal fields (the FBI) and high school drop outs who want to play with guns (local law enforcement). ah, so the college degrees turned these republicans into good people?
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Nov 8, 2018 01:04
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what's the obsession with beto? i really don't get it
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Nov 8, 2018 01:12
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Anyone else still really really pissed at Nate and his wild hosed up Live Model that gave us all direct flashbacks to 2016 except with the additional knowledge that if we didn’t take the House it was Game loving Over? i've been pissed at him since 2016!
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Nov 8, 2018 01:14
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Framboise posted:My Trumpkin mom is fussing on facebook about how nothing will be done now that dems control the House and how "Hateful Maxine Waters" just wants "Revenge and destruction", and that this is handing 2020 to Trump on a silver platter. we can only hope they will, but pelosi has not been inspiring confidence in that
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Nov 8, 2018 01:16
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:I know all the episodes of Star Trek, Power Rangers, and the plots and lore of all the Nintendo games how does waluigi factor into the overarching plot of smash bros ultimate? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 8, 2018 01:18
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https://twitter.com/StephenAtHome/status/1060577331759210497 wthf is wrong with you colbert? i thought he was at least a little better than this
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Nov 8, 2018 22:27
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https://twitter.com/erinbiba/status/1060583223187701760 trump's doing a good job on the trade war as you can see
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Nov 9, 2018 02:03
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i hope gillum wins his recount. i'm a bit iffy on him swinging towards the center, but he's not a manchin or donnelly so he's still tolerable
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Nov 9, 2018 02:15
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GreyjoyBastard posted:there's an awful lot of daylight between gillum and manchin yeah that's why i said he's not a manchin Tibalt posted:You understand that Nelson is the Senate candidate right i didn't say anything about nelson: https://www.politicususa.com/2018/11/08/andrew-gillum-unconcedes-as-florida-governor-race-heads-for-recount.html
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Nov 9, 2018 02:22
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Euphoriaphone posted:I think he was giving you grief because you compared a gubernatorial to 2 Senate candidates, and he was assuming you didn't know what position Gillum was running for, rather than you were just comparing him to a few of the worst Dems. well, it was the latter, cause i'm still pissed about donnelly saying he was open to ending jus soli. i know gillum was running for gov of florida
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Arrgytehpirate posted:I’ve seen talk of a Biden/Beto 2020 run. biden's one of the reasons student loans are non-dischargeable, and he's gropey as hell, so I'd hope no-one's excited about a biden run as for beto, i dunno why he would be picked for veep on any ticket yet
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