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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

Mind_Taker posted:

Which states that are currently gerrymandered to a laughable degree in the R direction are likely to be redrawn to a fair (or D-favorable) map in 2020 due to pickups in governorships/state houses last night?

Michigan and Wisconsin would be the big 2

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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

Push El Burrito posted:

We live in a world where you can see the end of Governor Scott Walker and that's beautiful.

Also RIP Trump thread, you had good animal pics.

https://twitter.com/MaraGay/status/1060137101914750977


if anyone cares to remember, they had previously said "Scott Walker is a National Disgrace" when he was running for president, and "Still a disgrace, but no longer national" when he dropped out

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

WampaLord posted:

SOME OF US LIVE IN FLORIDA and really don't like being told "Be happy!" after what happened last night.

i'm sorry you can't vape indoors anymore

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

Ginette Reno posted:

So isn't 2020 a pretty lovely map for the Senate too? If I'm not mistaken vulnerable Republican senators = Cordy Gardner(Col), Susan Collins (Maine), and Thom Tillis (North Carolina).

But the Dems also have like 3-4 (at least) vulnerable Senators in coin flip states.

I guess if there's a massive blue wave and the Dems keep building momentum maybe there could be some unexpected gains but if it didn't happen last night I'm struggling to see how it could happen in 2020 unless some Obama-like hope and change savant emerges.

2020 is going to be the reverse of this year, where 11 D seats are up for grabs as opposed to 22 Republican seats

the weakest and really only vulnerable Dem seat is Doug Jones

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

Oxxidation posted:

people keep saying this but they it's not really true, they didn't immediately get their vote back

they need to pay the associated legal fees or whatever first, and even if they can afford it you can bet that the state's going to use the associated bureaucracy to stonewall as many of them as possible

is there a source on this, it's not in the text of the amendment itself.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
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-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

evilweasel posted:

So I'm going to start playing with a 2020 electoral map.

Start with the default map of the 2016 election: https://www.270towin.com/. Donald Trump won by 306-232. This is the baseline: to beat Trump you need to flip states he won, while losing none he lost (unless you flip a lot more that he won).

Based on last night's elections, there's two big ones that should be doable: PA and MI. That gets you a nearly tied race, 270-268: https://www.270towin.com/maps/K1OXn

Now, you can tie the race by flipping ME-02. That gets you 269-269, and the House votes. However based on how the House votes (each state delegation gets one vote, not each rep) I believe Trump wins the tie. So we can ignore this and assume that any map that doesn't give the Dem 270 votes means Trump wins.

So that means that Dems need to flip one of the following, arranged based on how likely they are:

Most likely: Wisconsin, North Carolina. Both have elected Democratic governors, but barely, but went for Trump. WI elected a Democratic governor this year; I need to add up the NC House votes to see who "won" election day 2018. If Dems didn't win it, that's not great. If they did, that's pretty good. I am not saying either of these are likely - I am nowhere near confident Democrats can pull it off in either state. But these are the two best targets I see.

Less likely: Arizona, Iowa, Florida. Democrats fell short in each of these states, but it's possible that they could pull it off in 2020. But if they couldn't do it this year, that's really worrying. Arizona may continue to trend blue, and the impression I got was the Senate candidate for Democrats wasn't the best and was less Trumpy than usual for Republicans, so there's some hope. Iowa is getting crushed by tariffs, but it's still a rural state which means it's a trumpian hellhole, and they just elected a Republican governor. Florida just voted for two terrible people; sure, they enfranchised felons so the electorate will change a little, but Republicans have two years to try to "fix" that.

I guess someone will mention these: Georgia, I guess? Abrams put up a strong showing but lost, and I don't see how you win Georgia without winning other states first so that it's just trying to run up the score. I don't see any others.

Iowa threw out most of their Republican CD sans King, so you might be understating the chances

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
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-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

haveblue posted:

Even if you downgrade it to "a path to regaining your vote opened up where there was no path before" that's a pretty big win.

there was a path before, but it was like running the 1904 Olympic marathon

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

go off path drunk and take a nap in someone's rose garden?

or get chased by rabid dogs, collapse with severe dust inhalation to the point of asphyxiation, or win because some dude started eating rat poison


while the white guy gets in a car and drives to the stadium instead

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
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Take up shelter in the base of my spine
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Nap Ghost
In case anyone is wondering about the 1904 marathon and the monster running them, take a look at this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4AhABManTw

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
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Take up shelter in the base of my spine
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-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

eke out posted:

https://twitter.com/rachelweinerwp/status/1060266854571225089

lol can't wait to see what this ethics waiver looks like

well it turns out publicly musing about strangling an independent organization might not make you fit to 9versee it so you have to recuse...

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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Nap Ghost

brockan posted:

Apparently it's looking like all those tweets about Rosenstein also resigning are coming from a source called OANN. They're claiming it's expected to come in 48 hours.

FWIW, they appear to be a right wing paid news network.

OANN is pretty much Laura Loomer and Jack Probosic iirc

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
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Nap Ghost

corn in the bible posted:

They go up again in 2 years, right? It's safe to say a fair number of those judges won't get past one term. Maybe some will, though

they're 4 or 6 year terms

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
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corn in the bible posted:

I thought some local judge seats were 2 year terms. That fuckin owns then

It might be 2 at the lower levels, but the state spots if any won would be higher

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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corn in the bible posted:

we're mostly talking county judges here ie harris

County courts are 4 years

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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Nap Ghost

the difference is only about 15,000 so that could definitely move if its 650k outstanding

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

The problem is that Dems have failed to help rural voters who now have sky-high suicide rates and lovely economic fortunes. On top of all that, a shitload of their rural hospitals closed in the last decade.

Rural voters will vote for people that help them.

https://twitter.com/unabanned/status/1060288892040024065

They vote for people who lie to them and never have any intention of helping them.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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Paradoxish posted:

That's actually really sad. I visited Cleveland earlier this year and it was a (shockingly) super nice city.

They're not Detroit.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
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Nap Ghost

Ague Proof posted:



Look at that dip so early in the count. Everything bad that happened came first.

that dip was pretty much Braun winning in Indiana


gently caress Indiana nazis

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
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Nap Ghost

Spacebump posted:

Hard to say "with just about everyone in the voting public" when he didn't get more votes than Hillary though. I like Bernie but to get out of the primary you need more votes.

he did do that, just in a lot of the smaller contests where even if he was blowing out the caucses with the 70-30 margin he needed, he just couldn't rely on them to make up the votes

meanwhile in the first major voting day of the election, Clinton managed to take a run of like 65-70% of the vote in a bunch of open primaries and got herself a 200 pledged delegate cushion that just kept inflating for the rest of the primaries

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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Nap Ghost

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Replace the election with these old rich motherfuckers doing Battle Royale and the last one left gets spared the guillotine and made god-king*

*for an hour, then they meet Uncle Slicey

can we replace the guillotine with New Jack

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
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Take up shelter in the base of my spine
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Nap Ghost

mcmagic posted:

So Florida Dems cost themselves a Senate seat because their ballot design was overly complex unreadable?

less overly complex and possibly more just poorly laid out

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
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Nap Ghost

Deified Data posted:

Besides being a huge congregation of chuds, does anyone actually know what's going on here?

Surely not a school-related activity, which tells me this is more of a chud hangout than a reason to jump to the conclusion that kids are getting more racist.

the photographer apparently thought it would be a great picture for the male junior class to sieg heil on a spur of the moment thing, according to the account by the guy in the upper right who is not really happy about this situation

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
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Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

GreyjoyBastard posted:

they mentioned rico, time to @ popehat about this

edit: https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1062108235358887937

you cant spell corsi without rico

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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nine-gear crow posted:

Someone said on MSNBC on Friday that a Whitaker was going to replace a Scaramucci as a measurement of brief time.

scaramucci got canned before he even officially started

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
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Nap Ghost

Kimsemus posted:

not at all. I'm not a fan of what Jim Acosta has to say to POTUS but I defend his right to say it.



Kimsemus posted:

counterpoint: just for sake of argument, CNN can just send anyone not jim acosta.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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Raskolnikov38 posted:

its still idiotic to make any part of the process easier with the keystone klan in office

the only thing close to this is that they put in some fast track or special consideration if you get 290 sponsors on a bill or for an amendment if you can get 20 Democrats and 20 Republicans to sign off on it

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Nov 14, 2018

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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Yinlock posted:

bipartisanship is always code for "willing to cave", also she's willing to change the rules to let republicans run around her easier

https://twitter.com/mikedebonis/status/1062810957276160002

the package is meaningless fluff if you would bother to read it

https://gottheimer.house.gov/uploadedfiles/break_the_gridlock_packet.pdf

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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Nap Ghost

VitalSigns posted:

jesus h christ dude what the gently caress

While I'm amused that you just turned on a dime from "the US didn't interfere with Honduran politics" to "okay they supported a military coup but Honduras deserved it", the fact that you're defending arming a murderous dictatorship that has destroyed the country because the previous president tried to change the constitution in his favor is frankly ghastly and shocking.

Intervening in Honduras would have been cutting the financial aid that the US was giving them

It's really a hosed up situation because on one hand the president who got exiled was trying to rewrite the Constitution to get rid of term limits (which cant actually be done without dissolving the constitution, the Honduran constitution explicitly lists the term limits and says that they are never able to be changed even if there was a constitutional amendment)

On the other hand the military should have probably not exiled the guy and just instead seized and destroyed the ballots that were printed like they were directed to by the court.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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VitalSigns posted:

A president trying to extraconstitutionally change term limits doesn't justify arming a military dictatorship you numpty.

The US could have just declared it a coup as it is legally obligated to do by its own statutes and cut off all military aid. And even if the US decided to overthrow the dictatorship and reestablish democracy that's not at all equivalent to meddling in an existing democracy's elections to put a favorable government in power.

The military was ordered to arrest him by the Honduran supreme court for his dictator shenanigans.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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Nap Ghost

That's implying he has thoughts.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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Spiritus Nox posted:

Has he ever actually done so in a position where his individual vote mattered?

no

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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VanSandman posted:

I think you miss the main problem - that instead of addressing the substantive issues that drive people towards fascism (economic insecurity, blaming some 'other' for domestic problems, a refusal to address racial tensions and inequalities), Hillary wants to use fascist means to avoid real domestic change because she is rich, all her friends are rich, they already think they are paying their fair share, and she has long since forgotten what it means to be poor and struggling to get by.

There is nothing good left there. Only a rich out of touch old idiot, marginally less evil than Trump.


quote:

We need to break the stranglehold on economic and political power held by a small
group of powerful interests and billionaire families, reduce inequality, and produce
both more economic growth and more economic fairness.
And there are bold, creative proposals worth exploring, like putting a price on
carbon pollution and using the money to fund clean energy and to send dividends
back to working families. That would lower emissions and raise incomes at the
same time – not to mention weaken petro-dictators like Putin.
Or taxing net worth instead of annual income, which would reduce inequality and
provide the resources needed to make major new investments in infrastructure and
education.
We should explore how to make a universal basic income work in a way that
preserves dignity and a sense of purpose.
And we need to reform corporate governance and break up monopolies and
oligopolies. Now the list goes on. Because making our democracies deliver also
requires making government more ethical, transparent, and responsive.


same speech

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
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the actual Oxford speech is pretty clinical and textbook in advocating to raise up human rights, but the textbook nature of it is pretty much the flaw because it attempts to touch in dealing with the the invasion of the other that scares the nazis and how to handle it

the major mistake Clinton is making is an attempt to deal with how to deal with the nazis in language that isnt just "gently caress off nazi" because engaging with them means they're already winning

also by trying to not play the soundbite game as everyone in this country is really stupid and has no attention span


edit:

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Hillary is really, really good at making terrible sound bites that render the otherwise reasonable content of the rest of the speech completely irrelevant to the intended audience.

yeah

goethe.cx posted:

that's great, but her argument re immigration is fundamentally a capitulation to racists. i'm more sympathetic to hillary than a lot of people in D&D but the right-wing nativists aren't going to go away if more immigration restrictions are enacted, and it's ridiculous that she seems to think they will. even when she says good things, she just has no credibility in regard to them

agreed, though this speech is threading the needle of trying to ensure civil rights for the disenfranchised and trying to kneecap the nativists and quite frankly it's basically mutually exclusive and she'd have been better off not talking about it as opposed to the economic messaging

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Nov 24, 2018

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
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Lightning Knight posted:

Nope.

I eagerly await the follow up angry email to that probation tho.

probate people who call them chuds too

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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what exactly do you think chud means

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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Lightning Knight posted:

I seem to vaguely recall that it means "a small fat penis" but perhaps I am misremembering.

There's no need to play games, if it means something really offensive then just let me know or PM me or whatever.

That's a chub.

Theres a movie called C.H.U.D. where there is a mutant race of subhuman cannibal creatures.

It's not really playing a game, because I wanted to know of you knew where that slang came from because its otherwise fairly obvious why I brought it up in a discussion on probating someone for dehumanizing people.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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The Glumslinger posted:

Man, it's almost like this thread is completely incapable of discussing the actual events in us politics and would rather constantly rehash the same arguments constantly

Like, I feel like we probably shouldn't just be moving on from all of the poo poo going on at the Mexican border for another round of the same old poo poo

or the fact that Ukraine and Russia are probably about to go to war

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

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Lightning Knight posted:

It's a Sunday afternoon and there doesn't appear to be any more news other than "they fired tear gas at a civilian crowd." What more should we say? "That's quite terrible, and extremely on brand for the Trump Administration."

https://twitter.com/samriegel/status/1066820402586935296

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
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Ardennes posted:

There are actually other threads for that though.

everyone knows that it's going to be germane to this thread in a matter of hours

trump can't help himself

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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
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Feldegast42 posted:

I don't know about that though -- she keeps popping up in the news cycle for stuff she has been saying, is fairly wealthy herself, and while she has lost establishment pull there are still a lot of diehards loyal to the Clinton camp. She won't win the primary but I can see her trying again to sate her own ego.

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1055199009130889216?s=19

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