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edit: I'm releasing people from their humiliating avatar toxxes. In lieu of that, we are going to now ban 2020 primary chat from this thread. There is a thread for that here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3879821Lightning Knight posted:I thought I put this in the OP originally but clearly I am a fool. MOD NOTE: Please report egregious derails. What constitutes "egregious" will be up to mod discretion. Request Discord details from PPJ, Ard or LK. Stop posting about posting. WELCOME, CHILDREN, TO…. USPOL WINTER! Some of you may not have posted before the hellish event known as the 2016 Presidential election, but in ye olden days, we had monthly USPOL threads, similar to those for Britain and Australia. This thread will not be monthly, but is going to serve as a general politics thread for US. That means that discussion here doesn’t have to be specifically Trump related… and it also means the mods aren’t going to police people for wanting to criticize the Democratic Party. This thread will be refreshed some time in March of 2019, as USPOL Spring. Context for international viewers:  As of last night, the Democratic Party, perpetual goobers and lovers of  , control the House of Representatives, by a fairly wide margin. However, they suffered losses in the Senate, which is a body they are at an increasing disadvantage to ever control again for any length of time. Likewise, Republicans successfully stole themselves a Supreme Court seat and secured a second one via resignation, effectively damning the court to a generation of conservative rule barring Democratic court packing. Donald J. Trump, resident court jester and awful billionaire grifter, remains the president until 2020 at minimum, and Democrats do not have the votes in the Senate to convict even if the House decides to impeach based on investigations they are making. Democrats also gained 6 governorships last night, though they lost a number of key races including Florida and Georgia, and Republicans still control a majority of governorships. This is significant because it gives Democrats more control over 2020 redistricting efforts in those states, and 2010 gerrymandering is how the Republicans have gained much of their control. Against this backdrop, a number of prominent Democratic politicians are gearing up for a bloodbath of a primary in 2020 for who gets to challenge Donald Trump for President. The new Democratic House, likely under longtime leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Cali), must decide what to investigate and what bills to symbolically pass. And there is a new slate of Senate races up for election in 2020. Game on.  BUT LK I DON’T WANNA ARGUE WITH LEFTISTS ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!  Tough. If you don’t want to read the latest argument from like, VitalSigns or whatever about how the Democratic Party is a group of incompetent boobs, then put them on ignore. What a concept! You don’t have to engage if you don’t want to. Crazy, I know. BUT LK, WHY DON’T THE LIBERALS HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH ME? THIS IS DEBATE & DISCUSSION! Because this thread is going to move crazy fast and it’s going to be many simultaneous discussions at once. I’m sure Fulchrum or yronic heroism will be around shortly to engage in the neverending slapfight. I’m gonna loving smack anybody who snidely complains about how “identity politics are ruining the Democratic Party!” though, whether they’re blaming it for Bernie’s primary loss or Kerry losing in 2004 because of the gays or whatever bullshit. You’ve been warned. Star Man posted:Unban Tiny Brontosaurus you loving cowards -------------------------------------------  Please join the Democratic Socialists of America. If you come into this thread to cry about how antifa is the same as the Nazis and silencing free speech makes you the real fascists, I will laugh at you.  ---- BUT LK, I WANT TO DISCUSS SOMETHING SPECIFIC AND IT’LL GET LOST IN THE FOREVER WAR BETWEEN BERNIE STANS AND HILLARY STANS! Good news! We have a number of threads about specific topics which will be moderated more aggressively starting today and kept on topic. They include: The Russia Investigation Thread Right Wing Media Conservative Email Forwards/Facebook Posts The State/Local Politics Thread The 2020 Democratic Primary Thread The SCOTUS Thread The Climate Change Thread Political Cartoons Gun Chat --------- Thread Rules*: Please don't constantly ask what has happened since you last checked the thread. Instead, use this: https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/  Please report awful, bigoted, or bad-faith posters whenever possible.Don't be awful about Barron Trump. He's eleven years old. Every other Trump family member is fair, but let Barron be a kid for just a small bit. In general, just leave people's kids out of it. Don't try to be the tone police. Trump supporters constantly make death threats and vomit hate speech. It's okay to be assholes to them. In fact, it's your patriotic duty. The dog rule may be dead, but dog pictures are always appreciated. Things are not normal. Stop pretending they are. Stop criticizing people for being rightfully afraid, or for taking steps to protect themselves. An individual minority or woman being an awful person who enables Republicans is not an excuse to be a bigoted or sexist piece of poo poo. I thought this went without saying. Do not use ableist slurs. *Enforcement of these or any forum rules subject to mod discretion. 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Spergin Morlock posted:Hello regular D&D politics thread, it's been a while. We need 11 more orders of the Piss Tape is Real beanies or the batch gets cancelled. You know what to do! quote:nice thx. a few orders have been placed today. just fyi there's a regular trucker cap style hat order form as well, details at https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3873506 Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Nov 21, 2018 |
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teen witch posted:Q: Will there be a separate Trump thread? Or are we back to days of yore with one hellthread? This is it.
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Blind Rasputin posted:Is there a way of making it so this thread only contains relevant news posts and not like, pages upon pages of digressions about sandwich preferences and pineapple on pizza? I am not a D&D poster, but I enjoy the way you guys all us this thread to post relevant news.. just sometimes it’s 800 posts of nonsense. We'll probably be smacking people for petty bullshit derails but there's also a number of on-topic threads you could visit, several of which are getting refreshed. No more dentistry chat! 
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evilweasel posted:but WI is close It shouldn't be, though. Wisconsin is the way it is due to voter suppression. I'm still really mad it was as close as it was for Evers, and Bryce should've won. 
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evilweasel posted:Yeah but i don't care why it's close when it comes to 2020: all that's gonna matter is the election results. But here's a question I didn't think of that will be important: which party is now in charge of the electoral apparatus/state supreme court in WI? I'm pretty sure I saw that Republicans kept the legislature. Can that voter suppression be reversed in time for the 2020 elections? I honestly have no idea. My understanding is that the legislature will draw the map but now Evers has veto power. However, the court case banning gerrymandering fizzled out? It is unclear to me.
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evilweasel posted:The gerrymandering case is still going on, but I'm not talking about gerrymandering. I'm talking about on a presidential level, and gerrymandering isn't the reason Walker only barely lost and won't effect how likely Trump is to win the state in 2020. Oh yeah there were court cases surrounding the Voter ID laws and poo poo but I don't know what happened with that. I don't think Evers can unilaterally get rid of those without the legislature though.
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SpaceCadetBob posted:For LK. Your long probe is queued, I wish you and your wife luck in her pregnancy.
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Nov 7, 2018 18:06
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TheMadMilkman posted:With the rampant racism and misogyny present in the US electorate right now, an old white guy is probably the best bet. Which sucks. It’s not like a bunch of women of color won in Republican districts last night. This is such a shitbird take lol.
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Nov 7, 2018 18:52
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SocketWrench posted:Maybe next time don't be such a bitch? I don’t think the gendered slurs are necessary.
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Nov 7, 2018 18:59
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VitalSigns posted:Racist fiscally conservative Democrats going down in flames all over the country (despite economically progressive ballot initiatives passing in those same states) is only disturbing if we fail to learn the lesson this election is trying to teach us. Is the lesson “gently caress Democrats who back Republican social policy” because I’m extremely here for that if so. Like lol Donnelly gently caress you for throwing your Senate seat away to dogwhistle about immigrants.
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Barbara Lee as Speaker into President imo. Edit: Barbara Lee/Nina Turner 2020
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theflyingorc posted:The thing he did sucks but he was dead in the water regardless Wasn’t polling showing him as up/closer before? Even so gently caress that guy lol.
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Nov 7, 2018 20:35
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Koalas Massacre posted:https://twitter.com/THR/status/1060046869936500736 drat he’s a braver man than I to do that poo poo in Israel.
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Bar-bra! Bar-bra! Lee! Lee! For the Speakership! For the Speakership! Barbara Lee/Nina Turner 2020 ground floor starts here
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EwokEntourage posted:this happened in LA lol Oh derp I’m dumb, my bad.
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Deteriorata posted:Old people suck, except for the old people I like. I know. I don’t care. 
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TulliusCicero posted:The Special Boy has a very Special brain Hello, I'm still very behind on this thread, but please don't do this, thanks.
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eke out posted:you're incorrect You should explain why. I don't mean this in that I disagree with you, I am genuinely curious.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:r guyovich tried it once You guys spend so much time posting about posting and complaining that [x discussion] is occurring instead of just not engaging with posters you don't wish to argue with. It's crazy! Shimrra Jamaane posted:Are these the kinds of posts were going to have to get used to seeing now that the good and bad threads were combined? Like this. Stop it.
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luxury handset posted:it only takes one or two people to engage with each other to fog up the thread to where everyone else has to scroll scroll scroll past all the slap fighting, to the point that if it happens frequently enough (i think it will) then there's no point in even reading the thread in trying to skim past all the petty ideological disputes and purity tests You mean as opposed to the usual Trump thread standard where if Trump doesn't post a tweet for a few hours it devolves into a sandwich discussion. The thread is as it is. If y'all keep complaining, I'm going to keep probing you for posting about posting. There is actual news happening today - which includes statements by Nancy Pelosi, likely Democratic Speaker of the House! Discuss that, instead of whining about what thread is what.
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corn in the bible posted:meanwhile here in texas the dsa is winning local primaries and elections lol This is actually a big fuckin' deal and hasn't been highlighted because everyone is too busy  over Beto.
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Groovelord Neato posted:chuck schumer needs to go so loving bad. It's not clear to me who would replace him or how the Senate rules for this work. No point in Bernie doing it if he's gonna run in 2020. I feel like Gillibrand would be better at it if she's not gonna run, she might actually put up a fight as opposed to Chuch "violence on both sides" Schumer. Jaxyon posted:The change to the texas judiciary is huge Yeah it fuckin' owns!
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mcmagic posted:I don't know why we shouldn't think that there is anything that Mueller or house dems can find in terms of crimes of Trump and his regime that will matter in terms of impeachment or in terms of his base votes in 2020. He's for all intents and purposes a dictator right now. mcmagic you don't actually believe this tripe because if you did you wouldn't spend all your free time shitposting here.
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Condiv posted:jobs too. a lot of rural areas have a dearth of jobs. and no, i don't mean jobs retraining programs are the answer, or telling truckers to learn php or something Trucking especially is something I think the Dems need to really aggressively appeal to. Truck drivers are the backbone of the economy, the industry has moved aggressively to destroy labor organization and they benefited massively from deregulation. It's also on the verge of massive fuckery thanks to self-driving vehicles. edit: I'm a tax evader 
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Pollyanna posted:Why aren’t we angrier about what Kemp did? This is voter intimidation! I think this massively understates the level of fuckery in Georgia, he ought to be run out of town on a rail tbqh.
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Telsa Cola posted:Trucking is going to massively tank if we ever get around to actually imposing proper taxes on trucking company to compensate for the hilarious amounts of damage they do to national infrastructure. Also the environment. But truckers do need to be organized.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Is reconstruction 2.0 with some new deal salted into it the path to rural voter victory? I think they need to get around the perception that Democrats are Outsider Others. Ojeda, for example, in WV, had the right kind of tone and authenticity but lost imo because his actual platform wasn't particularly impressive or radical. He talked the talk but didn't walk the walk. Somebody with the platform of AOC but the demeanor of Ojeda would sweep WV.
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Squalid posted:This is really an unpleasant habit I don’t think anyone should indulge in. If you have a problem with what someone had said, you should quote them and be specific. Make these unprovable and broad statements about ill defined groups comes off as variably defensive, condescending, or straw-many. KM's post was not particularly hard to understand and y'all don't need to fishmech about it lmao.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I'm coming up blank on a person, but essentially someone with rural roots, and strong progressive bonafides, and maybe some government experience? See this is all well and good but it doesn't do anything for the state level.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:We need to start a Bernie cloning program ASAP. We could have a fleet of young Bernie's up and running in 20 years if we move quickly. Well this is the one thing that Beto deserves unequivocal praise on, he successfully reinvigorated local political activism in Texas and energized people there. They need to keep that momentum moving forward.
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Hellblazer187 posted:What are the Dem policies specifically that rural voters dont like? I don't think it's the policies that they don't like, it's the candidates. There's too many shitlords like Donnelly or Manchin that are liars and cheats and not enough people like Beto or Gillum that even attempt to connect with people on a human level.
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Paracaidas posted:On the other hand, he trailed Manchin in his district by about 14 pts. Ok maybe WV is actually just bad.
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Over Easy posted:that's warmer but Gillum and Beto could have been better for sure I'm not arguing that Beto and Gillum were the best poo poo ever or anything but they had charisma and empathy in a way that somebody like Manchin couldn't even dream of. I do think that if Gillum specifically had spent every day from when he won the primary talking about Medicare for All he'd be Governor of Florida tho. 
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Z. Autobahn posted:Except Beto and Gillum lost, and Manchin won, so how is this not disproving your argument Manchin won in West Virginia but that's mostly down to machine politics. If you cloned Manchin I do not think he would've won Donnelly or McCaskill's seats.
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Hellblazer187 posted:I thought that was M4A? It wouldn't surprise me if gun control is more popular among the Democratic base than anything else because gun control is supported by people in urban areas who face chronic gun violence and that's the Democratic base.
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Yeah I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with Fulchrum, gun control is a serious issue, we live in a country where school shootings are weekly and gun violence is daily for marginalized people, and gun organizations like the NRA are right-wing propaganda machines. Democrats can't abandon the issue. I wish the Dems would buck up and start going for handgun bans instead letting themselves get trapped into the "assault weapons" argument every time tho.
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Adar posted:this is your depression talking btw, american society isn't collapsing by 2040 I wouldn't be so confident declaring this considering most of the East Coast will be underwater by 2040 my dude.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Framing the issues against handguns is tougher because you have a ton of people who buy into the whole “useful for self defense” angle. It’s easy to convince them that people shouldn’t own a military grade rifle but shouldn’t granny get to keep her little side piece in her purse when she has to walk through the rough neighborhood? While true in a rhetorical sense, handguns are by far the source of most of the actual gun violence in America.
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Ardennes posted:You have a point, but it is going to come at a cost and the question is how you knit together a coalition that isn't just a majority (which the Democrats have) of the population but enough to dismantle the structure the GOP has build (which is very much intact with some losses). That's true, but this isn't some academic thing. Like gun violence is a real, material issue to thousands of Americans every year and disproportionately affects low income people and especially people of color. If anything the excessive focus on mass shootings (i.e. gun violence that affects whiter, more affluent Americans) has obscured this reality (not that there should be mass shootings or that we shouldn't get rid of assault rifles). What I'm saying is gently caress it, repeal the Second Amendment you cowards.
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