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Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013



POKEMON SWORD AND POKEMON SHIELD WITH DLC ARE OUT AND ARE PRETTY OKAY YOU SHOULD GET THEM

Welcome to the world of Pokemon! I'm just some guy on the internet, but what is Pokemon? Well, it's a bunch of fun RPGs and also the biggest financially successful franchise of all time. But you're not here for the cool stats, you're here to understand why everyone's talking in bad British accents, you TOSSAH!

For the latest Sword/Shield info, please check the next post as this is a more general introduction to the Pokemon franchise. If you want to know the ins and outs of what you just missed on the 3DS with Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon, then refer to the previous OP.

Discord to discord things in.

Hammerite posted:

Pokémon is a JRPG for the Nintendo 3DS and now the Nintendo Switch. Unlike most RPGs though, in Pokémon your party members are cute (and sometimes not-so-cute) monsters that you caught, tamed, and trained to battle. Each Pokémon can learn a variety of skills (called moves) and has a special ability (a special rule or power which allows it to bend or break the normal rules of the game in some way). Different Pokémon species also have different strengths and weaknesses (some are physically stronger than others, for example, and some are faster or bulkier) and different elemental types (sending out a Fire-type Pokémon against a Water-type opponent is typically a no-no, for reasons anybody can probably understand).

The objective of the game is to travel from town to town, defeating other trainers in battle, collecting a variety of Pokémon and earning Gym Badges before eventually defeating the best trainers in the land: the Elite Four and the Champion. But once you've done that, there's so much more you can do! Pokémon is nothing if not social, and this has become only more true over time as players have gained more ways to connect to one another, world-wide. You can trade with other players and try to put together a complete collection of Pokémon (sure to take you a while, given that there are more than 700 in existence, many of them with multiple different forms to keep track of). Or you can try to be the very best, like no-one ever was, and destroy all-comers in PvP battles. Or you can just potter around watering berries in your garden. Or you can hang out, chat, and make and/or share artwork. There are many facets to Pokémon, and each of them has its devotees.

:siren: Help I haven't played Pokemon for a million, billion years and there's apparently 900 of these drat things what game do I play first?????? :siren:

As always, the most recent game is the best introduction into the series, which would be Sword and Shield for the Nintendo Switch. The Expansion Pass adds in new Pokemon, old Pokemon, new forms and new Gigatimax forms so it's recommended you get them, especially if you're gonna do a lot of online play, but they aren't completely necessary. If you don't have a Switch, then jump right into Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon, they're the best 3DS games and the best way to get stuck in. If you're happy after that, then go for XY, then ORAS, then SM, then all the DS games, basically just play whichever one you fancy. Pokemon is a fantastic entry series for RPGs and you can just try any you fancy, but know that they will play differently and get a bit worse the further you go back.

What Pokemon do I catch? Is my starter any good? Do I need to worry about IVs or EVs or whaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

The single player story of any Pokemon game isn't going to be very difficult. You could beat the entire game just using your starter, but it is a lot of fun to field a full team of six of the coolest creatures you find. Very few Pokemon are completely unusable in the main game (they're usually gimmicks and/or have low stats), so if you like the look of something, use it! If it doesn't work out, use something else, but try not to make a habit of that, as you'll fall behind the low level curve if you keep rotating things out.

If you want to go into competitive, then Sword and Shield's Expansion Pass metagame is the busiest, since while Let's Go has some interesting mechanics, it's merely an intriguing metagame to dive into without too much depth. Regardless, it always requires a fair amount of research to keep on top of everything, so it's a real investment. But it's a lot of fun and it's really surprising how deep the battle system is. If that doesn't float your boat, then feel free to explore the region, catch all the Pokemon and try out new features. Battling is only scratching the surface of all the many, many, MANY things you can do in the series and it's up to you to find your niche.

Man these games are way too easy, not like back in my day!

While there are some difficulty spikes, usually in the form of boss battles, or rare random trainers, Pokemon is overall a very easy series that allows you to create your own difficulty. Are you sweeping the Ice Gym with your level 50 Mega Blaziken? Well, maybe that's why you're having an easy time. Later games give you many more options in both attacking moves and Pokemon availability, so you will be stronger overall than you might be in Gen 2, for example, where a lot of Pokemon had only moves of their own type and Normal moves. How times have changed.

If you're playing Sword and Shield then unfortunately you can't turn off the Exp. Share, and with experience from catches and a plethora of Exp Candies from raids and the like, it's very difficult to stay within the game's curve, but it means you're able to do pretty much whatever you want, and grinding for postgame online battles is super, super easy! The first expansion, Isle of Armor, adds an extra exp modifier on top with the Exp. Charm, so don't go there at the start of the game if you want some semblance of challenge. For Gen 6 and 7, turning off the Exp. Share might be an option, or you could leave it on and constantly rotate team members. There's a lot of freedom in how to construct your team and the Pokemon you can use, so if you're complaining that the games are too easy, then do something about it! Or maybe single player Pokemon just isn't for you and you would do better with stupidly hard/edgy romhacks, or going into the competitive side.

What were the most recent introductions to the series? (Gen 7)

The big newest addition is the Fairy type, bringing the number up to 18. As such, a number of old Pokemon and moves changed typing to give Fairy some variety and to shake up the competitive scene. Overall, it's pretty strong, but a cool addition to a fairly stale type chart, as well as Steel losing its resistances to Dark and Ghost.

Z-Moves are the hot new thing that will probably be in the new games, always hard to tell. Once per battle, if you have a Pokemon hold a type Z-Crystal, you can unleash a powerful move of the same type, based on the original move used. You can also do this for status moves and others also to have a wide range of useful stat buffs and side effects. Usually you'll use them to just nuke something very scary.

The Alolan games shook up the formula somewhat with the Island Trial, featuring large Totem Pokemon that serve as more interesting boss battles than the standard Gym Leaders. Sword/Shield are returning to the usual Gym Badge format, so it's something Pokemon might try again later on.

Alolan Pokemon are regional variants that shake up some original Pokemon, such as giving Exeggutor a long neck and making it part Dragon type, or Raichu surfing on its tail and becoming part Psychic type. While these are only limited to Gen 1 Pokemon (because of course they are) they are the ones that need the most help, honestly.

Pokemon Refresh lets you interact with your Pokemon on the touch screen and give them cakes and belly rubs and brushing and ahhhhhh it's so cute. You can also access the Festival Plaza and interact with players all around the world, open up shops that do a bunch of cool things and participate in minigames to boost your Festival ranking. All of this stuff was done better with the Player Search System in Gen 6, but you should get used to that.

Customization lets you change your outfit in certain Boutiques in Alola city's Pokemon Centers, to really make your character unique. You can even change your hair style, hair colour, skin colour, eye colour and even REMOVE THE HAT! This is a super big deal btw.

For Gen 8 introductions, please check the next post which goes over each of the new features.

How do I get my Pokemon from generation to generation?

Transfer chart by Aristide

While there's no way to get Pokemon between Gen 2 and Gen 3 due to incompatible data structures, you are free to trade Gen 1 Pokemon between Gen 1 and 2 no problem using the Time Capsule, so long as they don't have any Gen 2 exclusive moves. You can move Pokemon from Gen 3 all the way up to Gen 7 using different transfer methods, but it must be done one generation at a time.

Gen 3 to Gen 4 requires a DS with a GBA slot. Simply insert your Gen 3 game into the slot and use the Pal Park in a Gen 4's postgame to transfer them up, six at a time, once per day (or unlimited times a day if using HeartGold and SoulSilver). It is a one way transfer, like with the rest of the methods and requires you to go around and catch your new Pokemon in a large natural area.

Going from Gen 4 to Gen 5 requires two DS systems (3DS is fine also) and uses the DS Download Play. Again, you can transfer six Pokemon at once using a bow and arrow minigame with a time limit. It kinda sucks. You can also use the Relocator to transfer up special event Pokemon from Gen 4 to unlock special events in Black and White, such as the shiny Legendary Beasts and Celebi, though there's no way to obtain these now, especially the Lock Capsule to obtain TM95 Snarl, as that was never released.

Gen 5 to Gen 6 is the easiest method, but requires Pokemon Bank, an online storage system that's around $5 a year and lets you store 3000 Pokemon in ~the cloud~, as well as the Poke Transporter, both of which can be found in the Eshop. You can transfer the entirety of Box 1 of your Gen 5 game into Pokemon Bank to then use in your Gen 6 game.

On January 25th 2017, Pokemon Bank was updated for Gen 7 compatibility, allowing you to not only bring Pokemon from Gen 6 forward (thought without items), you can also transfer Pokemon from VC Gen 1, though glitch Mews and Missingno. are not allowed. Backwards compatibility is not possible, though you can still keep a living dex for both generations, you just can't take any new Pokemon out into older games. Pokemon transferred from Gen 1 will have at least 3 max IVs, their HA and a small Gameboy symbol.

On November 20th 2017, Bank was updated again to allow transfer of Pokemon from VC Gold and Silver (and later Crystal), allowing every generation of Pokemon to finally link up to Gen 7. Like with Gen 1, those transferred will have at least 3 max IVs, their HA and a small Gameboy symbol. You can even transfer a shiny Celebi from VC Crystal, now that the GS Ball event is finally available to those outside of Japan. Happy days.

Pokemon Home is the main way to get mons from Gen 7 to Gen 8, as well as an overall hub for some Pokemon that aren't in the Galar games. You can connect Bank, Let's Go, Go, SM and USUM, but it's all one way. There's also a fair few moves that aren't in Gen 8 and you'll be encouraged to delete them, so keep those in Home if you want to keep them. It's a bit of a wonky system, but it looks like the main transfer hub for a long while to come, so you should probably grab it. Currently there is no way to move Pokemon from HOME and BDSP or Legends, but it is confirmed it'll be available before SV's launch.

Are the anime/manga/side games any good?

Give them a go and see how you like them. The latest anime forgoes the usual formula and has Ash and Gou, uh, GO around the world doing all sorts. There isn't a massive endgoal for this series, so it's a fun romp week to week but otherwise it's a little unfocused. Still, you'll see old characters and Pokemon and remember that this drat show is over 20 years old. As always with the anime, don't expect anything all that impressive or crazy out there. Meanwhile, the Pokemon Special manga has many different arcs to read and different protagonists to follow, making it pretty excellent overall. There's a million other manga, but it's up to if you want to indulge in the more obscure aspects of the franchise.

Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is the best of the side series, so jump in with the most recent one, Pokemon Red and Blue DX, a Switch remake of the GBA/DS originals. The Pokemon Ranger series are also quite good, as is the Pokemon Colosseum series for the Gamecube. There's also Pokemon Conquest if you like your strategy Samurai Warriors. The various Free to Play games range from mediocre to terrible, so if you want to try out Masters, Unite or GO, then feel free to. As with most mobile games, greed and powercreep have taken over so they are actively bad to play, but they also have their unique Pokemon gameplay, so do whatever. Go especially can be quite useful in transferring over rare and shiny Pokemon to HOME, and technically features more Pokemon in it than the main series does, since it now has all 8 generations of Pokemon. Pokemon GO does have its own thread.

Which is the best Pokemon?

The one you like the most. It is also someone else's worst Pokemon. There are no winners when it comes to Pokemon opinions.

This OP is terrible and I don't know what any of this poo poo means!

That's the idea, best to dive right into the thread discussion and have a good time! Our resident Pokemon Masters will happily answer your questions and queries on any aspect of this nearly 30 year old franchise. Talk about the anime, push your opinions while dismissing others, argue about which is the worst Pokemon and how the new designs are totally NOT Pokemon. Best to keep all this poo poo contained here then to spread it to the rest of the forum. You loving nerds!!!

Real handy links

Official sites: Official Pokemon website, Pokemon's official Scarlet and Violet website, Pokemon's official Legends: Arceus website, Pokemon's official Sword and Shield website, Pokemon's official Let's Go Pikachu and Let's Go Eevee website, Official Pokemon Youtube channel

General reference sites: Serebii, Bulbapedia, Marriland, Legendary Pokémon, Psypokes, Veekun, Pokebeach.

Sites focused on battling discussion: Nugget Bridge (VGC Doubles focused), Smogon (6 vs 6 Singles focused).

The Pokémon Global Link, Current type chart (Gen 6+), Type chart for Gens 2-5, Type chart for Gen 1

Other Pokémon-related threads on SA (which may or may not be active)

The trading thread
The Goonleague thread (Currently archived! Please start a new one!)
Thread for the Pokémon Trading Card Game Online
Thread for Pokemon GO
Thread for Pokemon MastersEX
Thread for Pokemon Unite
The previous megathread
All the other previous megathreads (Thanks OhFunny!)

If you have a burning need for these threads, either resurrect them if they're dead or quiet, or go to the Pokegoons Discord where you'll have more luck.

Hype level?


https://twitter.com/PunishedHag/status/1100761629937954816 https://twitter.com/JillKatze/status/1133543308121165826 https://twitter.com/inkieheart/status/1136266157726429185

Crosspeice fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Mar 23, 2022

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Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013



The Eighth Generation is here! Due to releasing these games pretty much every year and these traditional 2D sprite game developers keep switching 3D systems ever 2 years, these games are pretty rushed and not that great! As far as it goes for a Pokemon game... it's a Pokemon game, that's its biggest positive and its largest negative, please don't expect anything new or out there, especially when it comes to main story content, you're setting yourself up for disappointment. What these games do have is two expansions that greatly expand the postgame content and while don't fix the issues in the main game, are great fun themselves.

These games give you so much variety in Pokemon and team building options that it is kinda like an open world game in its quality of life features and freedom to do kinda whatever the heck you want. Of course you're railroaded into the story so you know what you're doing, but after a cast of colourful characters and not so great villains, you can go crazy in exploring cool Wild Areas, raiding with friends, catching loads of legendary Pokemon and crafting the greatest online team the world has ever seen, probably. In those aspects, these games are fantastic, but if you don't have the Expansion Pass, then yeah it's pretty lame overall.

:siren: What the flip is new??? :siren:

Starters!

Choose between the Grass chimp Grookey, the Fire jackrabbit Scorbunny, or the Water chameleon Sobble! There is no right or wrong choice, so go with your heart.

New Pokemon!

The base games offer a wild variety of 81 new Pokemon! Isle of Armor adds in 3 new Pokemon (Kubfu, Urshifu and Zarude, along with a host of GMax forms), while Crown Tundra adds in another 5 (Regieleki, Regidrago, Glastrier, Spectrier and Calyrex). Add in all the various forms and you easily have over 1000 Pokemon to choose from! Is what I would say in previous gens, but SWSH has made some Pokemon unavailable, but only 664 Pokemon out of the total 898 are available to use in these games. You can store all Pokemon in Home, so they can be used in future games, but right now they're sitting out of this one.

Galarian Pokemon!

Like Alolan Pokemon we've got regional forms to mix up old Pokemon that desperately need something to keep up. Thankfully, there's more variety compared to the solely Gen 1 Alolans, especially because these Galarian forms can evolve into completely new Pokemon. From the KISS inspired Obstagoon from Galarian Linoone, to the heartbreaking Cursola from Galarian Corsola, and the creepy Runerigus from Galarian Yamask, this is something the feature desperately needed. The Expansion Pass adds a few new Galarian forms, but no new evolutions. Crown Tundra also introduced Galarian Legendaries!

The Galar Region!

Pronounced Ga-lar, by the way. A British region full of gammons, tories and tax evaders, it's a straight line through some of the best British sights, as well as Wyndon! You start in the rugged grasslands of Scotland and head north to the frozen wastes of southern England. The Expansion Pass adds in the summery Isle of Armor to the east, not based on Ireland cause no one knows what that place is about, as well as the wintery Crown Tundra just south of your starting location.

Wild Areas!

These vast expanses host many different Pokemon that vary depending on location and weather, and feature Pokemon Dens that host all kinds of raids to get even more Pokemon! Seriously you can get like 200 mons before reaching the first gym. Both the Isle of Armor and Crown Tundra are remote Wild Areas featuring, you guessed it, even more Pokemon and raids. The latter also has a billion legendary Pokemon in Dynamax Adventures.

Gym Challenge!

We're back to the standard Gym system that is basically like football, soccer to weirdos, that are just as popular and take place in massive arenas. As you face against the 8 Gym Leaders, you'll contend with Dynamax Pokemon, a new mechanic available at Power Spots, so every place there's an important fights. These Pokemon become massive and have double HP, with all their moves turning into powerful Max Moves. It only lasts for 3 turns and you can only do it once per battle, so make it count! Some Pokemon have Gigantamax Forms, which change the Pokemon's look and change a specific type into a unique move to the Pokemon. You can find GMax eligible Pokemon from raids or from feeding them Max Soup in the Isle of Armor.

Max Raid Battles!

Like those lovely Raid battles in Pokemon Go, you can fight a giant Dynamax Pokemon with up to 4 other people and try to catch it. Some Pokemon can only be found in this way and it's a good way to get shinies, version exclusives and lots and lots of rare items.

Camping!

It's like Pokemon Amie, but you can't really interact with your Pokemon. You can play with your whole team at once, feed them curry and give them Affection, which breaks whatever difficulty this game had into dust.

Rotom Phone!

Ah gently caress it's back, here to be your Pokedex again, as well as your Town Map and general interface. There's also Rotomi at Pokemon Centers, which is the PC and lets your customize your League Card and send Pokemon in PokeJobs, which let you gains EVs, items and experience passively.

Y-Comm!

Your online mode that's still not as good as the PSS from Gen 6, find impossible trades, get random crap from Surprise Trades, battle and participate in online ranking, and join current raids. Make sure to update your Wild Area News to get event themed raids.



To make it so the base game isn't empty and horribly rushed, the usual third version is instead changed to expansion passes. This comes out cheaper than buying a third game that has everything the base game should've been to begin with, but it does mean the mediocre base game doesn't get improved that much. It's definitely worth grabbing both, it's a lot of content and is a much better method of third versions going forward. You know, so long as they keep releasing these drat things every 5 minutes and make them horribly rushed to then need DLC to fix them.

Isle of Armor!

A new island on the east coast of Galar! This is a cool little Wild Area featuring all kinds of older Pokemon not in the base game, as well as a couple of new ones. You'll be joining a Dojo under the tutelage of former Champion Mustard , butting heads with Avery/Klara, version depending, training a cute legendary bear, Kubfu, and finding a million Diglett, or what feels like it. There's a bunch of new moves, returning items such as Apricorns, and plenty of GMax Pokemon to obtain with Max Soup, definitely a great pickup.

Crown Tundra!

An untamed wilderness to the far south This Wild Area is chock full of mysteries and Legendary Pokemon. Dive down into Dynamax Adventures to find easy shinies and a buttload of past Legendary Pokemon, piece together clues with former Steel Gym Leader Peony to find Calyrex, the new Regis, the Galarian birds and Ultra Beasts, as well as tracking down the Swords of Justice! Of course there's plenty of Pokemon to find, and you might enjoy some postgame battles in the Galarian Star Tournament or Restricted Sparring.

You could definitely say Pokemon is on a downward slope, but that doesn't make these games bad, just a little... undercooked. Now onto the next three games they released within a 12 month period, boy I sure hope none of them are also underdeveloped and feel empty and mediocre!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjCwUk06ZSk

OUT NOW AND DEFINITELY A DP HD TEXTURE PACK

Sinnoh confirmed! Following on from making the older, badder games less old and less bad, comes the Nintendo DS Diamond and Pearl remakes. While pretty fine games initially, DP are slow, befuddling messes that are definitely rough games to go back to, having a sometimes tedious region to traverse, a very small, limited Pokedex and a laughably slow battle system. Thankfully third versions fix most problems and Platinum is a great game to play, even if it doesn't fix all the issues. Well, that's what remakes are for, right?

Well the main issue with all remakes is they tend to stick pretty drat closely to their original counterparts, sometimes too closely and due to these being made by ILCA and not taking any real risks, these games are very, very similar to before. Wait, who's ILCA? They're a support studio that developed Pokemon Home but also contributed to such games as Dragon Quest XI, Nier: Automata, Yakuza 0 and a Domino's Pizza app featuring Hatsune Miku. Yes, seriously. This does mean if you've played DP before, you're not gonna get much out of these games, but the fact they're in HD and much faster than the originals means it could be worth it. However the many issues you might find in the game were fixed or tweaked in Platinum, none of which is passed over. Oh well.

:siren: What the flip is new??? :siren:

Nothing.

Eh, okay, obviously it brings a load of QOL stuff from later games in, Fairy type, wide variety of moves and buttery smooth combat, but there are a few new things. The first is the Grand Underground, which has the similar digging and base building from before, but also has a good amount of Pokemon to catch that are completely separate to the Sinnoh Dex. Some are from the Plat expansion, but others are brand new to the main story.

While ILCA stuck very closely to the original blueprint, they were allowed to go all out for movesets, held items and team synergy, making opponents much tougher than before. Or, well, it would've if the Exp Share wasn't a Key Item and also couldn't be turned off in any capacity, making most of the game incredibly easy until there's a sudden difficulty spike in the Pokemon League and the Elite Four start to kick your poo poo in. Indeed, with Gym Leader rematches, hosts of Legendaries to catch and a brand new Master Tier in the Battle Tower, the postgame is actually widely different to before, it's just a monumental slog to get to that point as the actual campaign is brain dead easy, even moreso than usual.

Still, if you want a comfy region, a chibi time, or maybe a very easy game for your little ballspawn to get started with, then you could definitely do worse. But you could do way better.

But wait, what else is Game Freak working on aside from Gen 9 and maybe another Let's Go game, and also the planning stages of Gen 10? Well strap in, cause things are about to get wild.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRsbFmM37T4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERAhGia6azE

OUT NOW AND REALLY HARD TO PUT DOWN

So while playing in SWSH's Wild Area, have you wanted to play Breath of the Wild Pokemon? Well here you go, you ungrateful shits! Pokemon Legends: Arceus is a feudal Japan inspired open world catch-a-thon where you travel around the 1800s Sinnoh region on the quest to complete the first Pokedex. It plays more like Monster Hunter Pokemon really, as you go out to obtain resources, craft items and catch lots of Pokemon. Lots and lots and lots of Pokemon. You can even battle them if you want, but it's easier to just hide in the grass and huck balls at 50 Wurmple to gain lots of cash and exp. It's quite the departure from the main formula, which is why I included the longer overview video, but it's some bold steps in the right direction and definitely an optimistic look to the future of the franchise.

:siren: What the flip is new??? :siren:

It's isekai baby, as you're sent back in time by God to catch all of God's creations so you can then meet God. Must be a long weekend for God... but this opens up some crazy story and gameplay potential as you explore the older Sinnoh region, called Hisui, and climb the ranks as a Galaxy Team member as you survey, catch, battle and die to all sorts of wacky, wonderful and dangerous Pokemon.

Oh yeah, you can die in this game, well, kinda, you can take a lot of damage if you're not good at dodge rolling and can drop a lot of items or have to restart a difficult boss fight. Fall damage, drowning, getting zapped and burned and hexed and all sorts as you travel different zones, catch Pokemon or bigger Alpha Pokemon and uncover the mysteries of Noble Pokemon and work out why they're so drat mad. Also battle some trainers on occasion, or fulfil requests to help the locals no longer be afraid of these terrifying elemental kaijus, or wonder who the hell this specific character is the ancestor of. Oh, it's Cynthia. Twice.

While the game is pretty ugly and the areas can be a bit empty, it's addicting as all hell and as you complete various tasks on the Pokemon you find, defeating them with certain types, using their different moves, or even feeding them, it's almost endless the kinds of things you can do out in the field. Be sure to catch often, use the Agile/Strong style moves to manipulate turn order, lean all in on Speed, it's now the god stat, and wonder how the hell a level 15 Bidoof can 2HKO your level 50 Garchomp. It's a very focused single player experience, but you can still trade Pokemon and return items back to those who blacked out, and since it's a new, bold and vibrant experience, everyone is having a wild time figuring everything out.

You might think the series is growing stale as it hits 20 loving 6 and the constant games that seem to be coming out aren't exactly wowing fans, even if they're doing real sale numbers, it's good to see that the developers are willing to try something new, to make an interesting game that while not always sticking the landing, makes me very excited for the future. Especially when they let us bring these new Hisuian Pokemon into other games, update Home already ye bastards!

Crosspeice fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Mar 23, 2022

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAmueMsFR1o

YET ANOTHER POKEMON GAME OUT WORLDWIDE LATE 2022

So it wasn't enough that we had DP remakes and LA within 7 weeks of each other, but now at the end of this year, we'll have Generation 9. It brings the open world experience of Legends to the modern times in a region based off Spain and looks to be an interesting attempt at shaking up the main formula. Again. Will you die to the first level 90 Duraludon you see or will you be able to walk all over the easy content because they had to account the fact you could do gyms 2-7 in any order. Who knows, all we can guarantee is it'll be relatively unfinished and have little to no postgame, get excited!

Crosspeice fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Mar 23, 2022

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

Well, I've added them to the OP, should make for some interesting reading later.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

Only the Totem Pokemon introduced in USUM, so Togedemaru, Ribombee, Araquanid and Alolan Marowak can't be put in Bank since you also can't trade them back to SM, where they didn't exist. All other Totem Pokemon are tradeable and thus bankable.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

It's been a while since I've seen such an obvious banme. Thus the Gen 8 starter wars claim their first victim.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

They now have Giovanni's full backing, since he also saw how strong Pikachu was at the end of the BW anime. They also keep taking credit for dismantling the region's evil team, so he specifically sends them to new regions so they can quash whatever evil plot is going there so Team Rocket can be the dominant force.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

Mr. Nemo posted:

In conclusion: Kids today have it too easy and the game I played when I was 10-13 is the best one.

That would've been Platinum and HGSS for me, so yeah, checks out.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

You guys wanted leaks?

As soon as we see the UI design for battles, we'll know if it's fake or not. But hey, with the video to go alongside it, this is nice and convincing, just how I like my leaks.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

It was revealed in an interview around the release of HGSS:

Shigeki Morimoto posted:

To start, the first type was decided to be Flying-type since Lugia have wings. At the time Psychic-type was the symbol of powerful Pokemon. As we wanted Lugia to give the impression of being a powerful Pokemon, we settled on Psychic-type for the second type, instead of Water-type.

In short, the reason why Lugia is not a Water-type despite being underwater, is due to its Flying-type-like appearance, and Psychic-type being the symbol of a powerful Pokemon.

Legendary duos represent opposite concepts, for example Groudon and Kyogre represent land and water, while Dialga and Palkia represent time and space. In the case of Ho-oh and Lugia, although they do not have a direct connection in the story, we imagine that they represent the sun and the moon, day and night, yin and yang (positive and negative), bottom of the sea and the sky, above and below.

Ho-oh and Lugia were born in the world of Pokemon Gold and Silver, for the new feature, time system, gave us day and night cycle. Thus, they represent the sun and the moon, day and night.

They definitely lean into Lugia being a Flying type, with Aeroblast, whereas Ho-oh has Sacred Fire.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

We've been through the Lusamine and Ultra Necrozma arc, so it looks like he'll be participating in the Alola League, or sabotaging it, since he's furious Kukui has set it up.

Crosspeice
Aug 9, 2013

Pidgeotto had fights?!

The experiment to make the Rocket trio more menacing in BW was interesting, but ultimately sucked their personality, got rocked due to the earthquake that cancelled a couple of big episodes and it didn't matter if they were more competent since they lost anyway, usually in ways they always did, so it didn't really matter, you just had them appear in seven episodes beforehand to "setup" whatever thing they were doing. XY and SM were much better at balancing the trio.

They even had some fun in DP, Jessie got all 5 of her contest ribbons pretty legit, especially when she got her 4th, it was a completely separate plot to what Ash was doing and she won pretty handily. And then the 3rd contest had her too ill to participate, so James entered disguised as her and actually beat Dawn. That's the fun stuff I love seeing from them.

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Aug 9, 2013

The only Pokemon that now don't have their HAs are Heatran's Flame Body and the four Tapus' Telepathy. I can understand why these are the last ones left.

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Aug 9, 2013

I picked up some Super Balls!

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Aug 9, 2013

Woo isn't this riveting.

I do like them leaving the names in since it's fun to learn various names, but it's just fansubs doing it for the heck of it, or they don't like the English names. I would say watch the dub to alleviate this, but no one should watch the dub.

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Aug 9, 2013

Who's your favourite character?

Wrong answer, it's Barry.

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Aug 9, 2013

It is, however, a happy Solarbeam dino in Colosseum, where it's a pro pick due to general double strategies.

But yeah, I've used Chikorita in both Gen 2 and 4, wasn't too amazing, not gonna lie.

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Aug 9, 2013

Ms Adequate posted:

I hope S&S pulls a gen I and has your rival loving murder you after you've barely scraped through an exceedingly long and tough cave

You're thinking of Gen 3, where Wally challenges you at the end of Victory Road.

Like the only time Blue ever battles you at the end of an area is, like, Silph Co and S.S Anne, but most of those areas are optional and have convenient healing points nearby, so it's debatable.

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Aug 9, 2013

Johnny Joestar posted:

i don't know if i've posted about it before, but i like gen 2 a whole lot especially due to team rocket mostly just fumbling around and doing weird bullshit to make ends meet or try and get giovanni's attention to get him to come back. it gives it a more relaxed feeling so you, the player, can just sort of focus on the ambience.

I like the concept a hell of a lot better than the execution. It just means you're spending a good chunk of the late game fighting pathetic Rocket Grunts in both the Mahogany Hideout and Radio Tower and it really drags the game to a crawl. Not to mention they're pretty weak overall, only getting a slight level bump when you reach the Executives. Like Gen 2 is a really nice basic version of the Pokemon series we love, but it doesn't half make the game a snoozefest.

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Aug 9, 2013

Dias posted:

All sheep Pokemon know Attract.

You're thinking of the Welsh, mate.

But don't worry about it, we Scots aren't so weak and feeble like you Americans to get offended over an accent we take the piss out of all the time.

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Aug 9, 2013

Yeah cloning 5 at a time is much faster and easier than exp grinding. I feel like getting a living dex in Gen 1 and 2 is pretty rough due to the annoying PC making it hard to check stuff, but godspeed.

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Aug 9, 2013

Aw drat they've got the CONFIDENTIAL stamp, they must be real!

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Aug 9, 2013

It's a very puzzling thing. They did fix Kanto in the remakes, but they didn't really fix Johto. It does make the game harder, but not really in a fun way.

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Aug 9, 2013

The last movies always tie into the next related gen, Movie 2 with Lugia, Movie 5 with Latis, Movies 8 and 9 with Lucario and Manaphy (Gen 4 was a long wait), Movie 13 with Zoroark, Movie 16 with Mega Mewtwo Y, Movie 19 with Magearna...

Since we're out of Mythical Pokemon bar Melmetal (which the regular anime is going towards), they gotta show off something new to promote the new games.

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Aug 9, 2013

Banette went from Shadow Ball to Shadow Claw...

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Aug 9, 2013

Calem/Serena are the Protagonist, except you keep beating them, crushing their dreams and stealing their Mega Ring.

How could you.

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Aug 9, 2013

Natural Gift.

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Aug 9, 2013

It's the Pokemon thread, so talk about Pokemon, I don't care.

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Aug 9, 2013

A lot of the difficulty is put in the lategame, where levels are usually 5 higher than regular and there's a bunch of items and new mons. Easy mode is just the regular game, but everything is lower levelled. And that's it. But because the early game of the hard mode is only slightly higher levelled, your Pokemon get a much bigger boost early and make the rest of the game much easier.

I'm actually perfectly fine trainers having less Pokemon in later games, because Emerald has over 500 regular trainer battles and a good chunk of them have around 3-4 Pokemon and are boring as hell. More trainers with 1 Pokemon please, I don't have time to waste on all these garbage NPCs. Also less Pokemon means less experience, thus making the trainers that purposefully have 4+ Pokemon an actual challenge.

However, rivals and important trainers only having like 3-4 Pokemon until postgame where they suddenly obtain 2 extra Pokemon is pretty bullshit. Gen 5 started a dangerous precedent.

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Aug 9, 2013

Silver2195 posted:

And Ash finally beats that Battle Frontier, thanks to Pikachu...defeating a full-health Regice with a single Volt Tackle. Sure. The rest of the Brandon fight was really good, though.

Two more episodes left before Diamond and Pearl. Apparently DP is widely considered the peak of the anime, although I'm a bit skeptical as it's 191 episodes; can the anime writers really fill that many episodes for one region without resorting to Johto levels of formulaic character-of-the-day material?

Yes. And no. The anime is long, but I feel the characters, Pokemon and overarching continuity make it better than it could be. Add in some HGSS tie ins and it works well enough. But Sinnoh's Battle Frontier, and indeed the entire island it's on, don't feature at all, which I feel is a bit weird. Like they pissed around in a garbage Kanto for Hoenn's, guess they didn't feel like repeating themselves too soon or whatever.

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Aug 9, 2013

Where No Togepi Has Gone Before is batshit insane and I love it so. It's also the episode where Pikachu is confirmed male, so it's very important to the overall story.

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Aug 9, 2013

Finally, something new to put into the OP. Gonna be a shame when Liz makes it to the release.

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Aug 9, 2013

Here's a brand new event, pay $9.99 for a Gacharena pass for a chance of recruiting Cynthia with a shiny Garchomp! Mega stone sold separately.

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Aug 9, 2013

Oyster posted:

Catching the beasts in 2nd gen is going to be my undoing. Caught Suicune right off the bat after releasing them, but now I have a living dex of everything available in Gold (haven't traded for Silver exclusives yet) and I have yet to even encounter Entei or Raikou. Warg. Like, does Max Repel or the Bike reduce chance of encountering them? I wouldn't think so, but also Moon Balls catch things that evolve via Burn Heal, maybe they do. The only thing in my party is a level 29 Noctowl.

The Repel trick works just fine for them, so since the levels of Johto Pokemon are so low, you should be fine. The only problem is they both know Roar, and Fast Balls don't work on them due to a glitch, so clone the Master Balls to save a headache.

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Aug 9, 2013

This thread always goes a little bit crazy before news drops.

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Aug 9, 2013

All the new info has been added to the OP, very excited with what we've gotten so far!

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Aug 9, 2013

In this case he seems to be talking about the out of battle animations, which are usually quite complex, despite most players never actually seeing any of them. Makes me wonder why they really bother, like what would you prefer, another round of Pokemon Amie, or the 400 left out Pokemon?

They've really struggled with the advent of 3D and their best method seems to be railroading you into seeing all of the effort, otherwise what's the point?

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Aug 9, 2013

A fair few gyms don't even reset when you leave and come back and later on you should have a bunch of healing items anyway.

It actually makes no difference for the tougher gyms, since usually the Gym offers a one-way system back to the start and having to do the puzzle again even if you never left, so you'd heal up just before the final fight anyway. Since we've only seen the one puzzle that at least loops back on itself a couple times, we don't know how useful this will actually be. Or even if it was just for the demo, or will only apply to earlier Gyms.

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Aug 9, 2013

oddium posted:

ironman endurance running through victory road or a forest or something is appealing but i don’t see why the end of route x has to be harder than the beginning just because your pokémon are tired. if anything the current system discourages exploration and battles which is a negative in a pokémon game, to me

Honestly, I've never really found that to be the case. With a rotating team of like 5-6 mons with alright moves and some stocked up healing items, you can go pretty drat far in a single venture. And usually the game accommodates you by having various healing places at midway points or whatnot. You'd be surprised by how far you can push your team, I can't really think of a time I had to retreat and heal up.

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Aug 9, 2013

Gen 1 is a least more interesting to play than Gen 2 since it has a bunch of weird stuff. But so many Pokemon have depressingly awful movesets and the AI is completely braindead. Also there's like 20 trainers in every route and it is a real slog sometimes. Still, for what it offered at the time, it's amazing it works as well as it does.

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