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RaySmuckles
Oct 14, 2009


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reads more like an ad for anti-missile systems

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evilpicard posted:

loving f35s, how do they work

they don’t

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Real hurthling! posted:

that kind of stuff is great on paper to make uncle sam waste money on catch up but any ground-based robot is toast within a few days of deploying to a real warzone i would imagine.

this thread does have a bit of a blindspot for the modern american perspective on war material

that is, that everything is basically hosed within a couple days on the modern battlefield. durability is basically irrelevant

we laugh cuz the new m5 shoots expensive, barrel destroying bullets, but its already taken into account that those things won't last long. front-line service in a real warzone is absolute destruction

those robots would be hosed. the soldiers would be hosed. everything would be hosed because ordnance is still king and better than ever with drones

that's part of why the US will lose ww3: there's really now foreseeable to "win" it. even non-nuclear the destruction would be absolute

RaySmuckles
Oct 14, 2009


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Frosted Flake posted:

This is the low res version I forget where I scanned it from




this is really cool

RaySmuckles
Oct 14, 2009


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Votskomit posted:

Anyone here know if there were prior times in history that a nation outsourced and gutted its military production to the extent that the USA is doing now?

Is this like a normal thing that empires do sometimes as they come to an end, or is this a somewhat unique way to go out?

not unheard of

one of my favorite stories is the battle of mohacs in Hungary. Hungarian nobles elected their kings. they wanted to pay less for a standing army against the ottomans so they elected a guy who drastically shrank their forces. the ottomans rolled in and killed the king and obliterated their tiny force and conquered huge swathes of territory. rich people do incredibly stupid poo poo to save a couple bucks.

in terms of imperial scale though I don’t have a great example

RaySmuckles
Oct 14, 2009


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i mean, to be fair, the US category is Finance, Real Estate, and Rentals whereas the China graph has that broken up into 3 sections. If you add those three sections together they equal just about the same amount as the US one.

industry still massive though, obvi

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Orange Devil posted:

It's the same admiration as for the Nazis, who were also constrained in their production power, isn't it?

The US apparently hates the way it wins its wars. But then when they lose they blame not being able to have done more of that same thing. It's a very curious thing.

because of the type of socio-economic transformation that fighting a "winning" war requires

centralization, mass production, huge amounts of labor which then requires concessions to said laborers. huge amounts of people involved in the various complex societal pillars that make the war happen: that means we need way more people educated, provided for, incentivized, and when the war is over all of that talent needs somewhere to go and something to do. a mass populace suddenly politically awoken and motivated.

mass industrial war is downright socialist and will push a society away from obviously stupid and self-destructive capitalist ideology.

that's part of why the dream has always been "minimalist, techno-supremacist" wankery. "what if we could win a war on societal scale but without all of that nasty society?"

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Justin Tyme posted:

Idk wtf makes these so expensive because according to Ukrainians the switchblades we sent sucked rear end and were susceptible to jamming, not that these are the same but those were equally overpriced bs (yeah I know it's grift but like I'd love to see a BOM/assembly drawing to see just how egregious it is)

its not that the units cost a lot, its that development costs a lot because it needs investment capitol. that capitol needs to see a return of a certain amount or it will exercise it's rights to the free market and invest elsewhere.

also, obviously grift. you've got to give enough money to the right people to even get any notice at all, even if you have a solidly beneficial product. merit alone won't get anyone poo poo

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