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Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

wolfs posted:

that said a government job I dream about would be nuclear waste minder

driving an electric golf cart around under New Mexico

paid to make sure atoms decay

but no, we can’t even get yucca mountain as a waste repository going after 20 years of studies and fights about it

you can live this dream today in the occasionally lovely evirons of Hanford Wa. a friend was an accountant there. you do need a giant security clearance though, I guess to make sure you don't steal any of those precious leaking waste drums?

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Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

War and Pieces posted:

How do "extremely online" people fare in the Navy?

junior enlisted military is a giant slice of average American life, which includes extremely online dorks.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Bar Crow posted:

The Navy should have gone with figurative combat ships.

lol

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

$20m dollars per tank for a light tank. And that’s before the inevitable overruns

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Delta-Wye posted:

strykers were the first time i saw a cope cage lmao


the us press and osint dorks all doing the soy face on Russian “cope cages” made me feel like I was going insane. every other wheeled vehicle in Iraq had that going on fifteen years ago.

I guess it fits with everyone acting shocked that a country can just invade another country. Iraq is completely forgotten in all ways

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

cat botherer posted:

The USSR would have invaded Hokkaido within a few weeks (long before the planned US invasion) had Japan not surrendered. Japanese leadership were fascists, so they strongly preferred the US. It was far more about that, considering that the USSR had just finished steamrolling Manchuria in two weeks after shipping their war machine across Siberia. When the bombs dropped, it wasn't that big of a deal because the cities were already smoking ruins.

I’ve heard this a bunch, but did the Soviets have anywhere close to enough pacific naval and transport capacity to invade Japan?

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

how does Top Medic work

(bells)

The United States Advanced Field Medic school is where hand picked army field medics and navy corpsman learn new ways to say “drink water” and “actually I’m totally the equivalent of a real medical professional” while failing to diagnose something obvious like a broken arm or something.

To its students and instructors, it is known simply as

Top Medic

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

a friend of mine was medically retired from the usmc after 1 year cause when he presented with a fairly obvious case of broken wrist, all the corpsmen kept true to their mission and just called him a pussy who might not have drank enough water. my friend at the time was moto enough to just go along with it. so after a year his wrist got all hosed up and they had no choice but to send him to an actual doctor who immediately realized that this guy’s arm would be hosed for life.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Real hurthling! posted:

windowless military vehicles sound like a very silly thing to be killed in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUNUCiPyWC4

people not in the US army are apparently required to wear the US army uniform collar in a stupid and hosed up way

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/AnnQuann/status/1569553873630822403

what's at the vietnam international defense expo

not covid-10

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

lasers are the weapons of the future, and always will be

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011


the military makes hanging out with your friends, working out with your friends and shooting guns with your friends into bad times. making video games lovely is no problem

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Iran is the appointed enemy of our ride or die middle eastern allies. they’ll never know peace with the United States. it’s effectively cuba, and just like Cuba, obamas attempt at opening up to them were out of line with the rest of the US elite and always doomed.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

KomradeX posted:

So now that Ukraine is going to be getting Leopard 2's and and Abhrama, whats going to to be the excuse for why those tanks are invincible once we start seeing them get destroyed?

there’s a wide variety of things that if you let yourself notice (or worse yet say), you’re doing a Russian propaganda and are supporting genocide. what’s a few more

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Fish of hemp posted:

Does modern Russia have that?

Hey since you’re here - given the facts that Russia is militarily incompetent and incapable, that Ukraine has all the super weapons and a million man army, and that Ukraine is killing 7 Russians for every man they lose: how is it that Ukraine hasn’t gotten all the invaders kicked out yet?

I would love to see all these bits of known true facts reconciled with the maps. cause to me it seems very contradictory to gloat about Russia losing while also saying Ukraine is on the brink if it doesn’t get the latest super weapons.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Fish of hemp posted:

Because attacking is hard and right now battles are taking place in areas that Russia has occupied 8 years and has had the time to make defensive positions. I don't what superweapons you are referring to. To me they seem to be fighting with regular weapons that every army uses.

Do you think that well known corruption in the Russian army hasn't had any impact to their capabilities, such as night vision and modern anti armor ammunition?

I think it’s two lovely right wing corrupt countries fighting, OP, with the resulting obvious implications for their armies. armies which do seem capable of killing each other.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

Do you not have to go on your Primary Leadership Course + a trade specific course (Machinegun Team Leader, Gun 2IC, Tank Gunner, Infantry Section 2IC etc.) to be an E-4? That's equivalent to a Master Bombardier, Caporal-chef, Stabskorporal etc. etc. and generally entails leading a combat element in battle, not... referring a friend.

Does it just mean you get a slot on the course, or...?

definitely not no. army specialist is just a private with three more ranks. usmc corporal is expected to begin doing leadership stuff and qualifies to start getting sent to leader courses, but it’s not universal- in most cases you make corporal right before getting out of the usmc, and I know whether intended or not many (most?) corporals don’t get leadership courses beyond what’s basically a book and set of homework. You are expected to do “on the job” leadership training and get mentorship. I believe army corporals it’s similar (army corporals are e-4s like specialists, but have leadership responsibilities)

edit: beaten

Best Friends has issued a correction as of 17:43 on Jan 27, 2023

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Nov 4, 2011

A Bakers Cousin posted:

people always say oh corporals start doing leadership stuff has never actually been in a unit with corporals

imo it depends on how common corporals are in a given mos (every mos has different “cutting score” thresholds to get promoted)

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

skooma512 posted:

I wonder if the drag from the deflated balloon could have functioned as a parachute and allowed more intact payload recovery. Which is to say I wonder why they didn't use the cannon. It's a balloon, you don't need the full muzzle velocity.

You need really big holes if you want it to come down anytime on your own schedule, cause the pressure inside a high altitude balloon is only a very tiny amount smaller than the pressure outside. from what I understand, shooting it with a gun is only slightly different from the effect of not shooting it at all.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

He's gonna run for Congress as a Democrat

I was proud to fire an AIM-9 Sidewinder at a Chinese aircraft.

But there’s one place an AIM-9 Sidewinder shouldn’t be: American schools

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

It’s been said before but I don’t see the US population not becoming unhinged at just the KIA/WIA/MIA from a lost carrier.

I think this is probably true but I have a potential counter argument:

9/11 hit hard because everyone takes flights, most Americans know someone who works in an office, and 100% of people who matter in the power structure work in a high rise

no one who matters knows anyone who has ever served on a carrier

I was thinking just this morning about how even after 20 straight years of war, there is no awareness in media or marketing of how the us army uniform collar is supposed to be worn. I think American society might have finally achieved the dream of military members so removed from society that they’re disposable.

all that said I think the prestige impact of a carrier sinking, regardless of casualties, would make the elite insane. in the inscrutable west, maintaining “face” is paramount

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

Veterans to Farmers determined to expand farming opportunities for women Veterans

oh man we're bringing back Roman soldier-farmers! Cincinnatus ftw!!!

I have a friend who did that program! it seems nice.

he is a househusband with a small plot so in his case it’s really just bringing back peasant agriculture.

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Nov 4, 2011

celadon posted:

Does the US expect China to keep shipping goods once war is declared? I don’t really think we could spool up production before running out of stuff that’s currently being supplied by China. It doesn’t seem either like we have redundant sourcing for all essential items so what’s the plan exactly

ah but have you considered that all our enemies are stupid, and evil, and we’re the best? no? sounds like you love americas enemies op

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Slavvy posted:

Really what everyone needs to develop is an LRM20 mounted on a truck

in the distant future of 3050, long range missiles max out at a ways short of 3km.

incredible reload times and ammo capacity though yeah.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

let’s see it says the engine problem is, huh, “too much entitlement spending” and “the perfidious Chinese, who must be confronted with force if necessary.” wow, this diagnostic is brilliant.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

lol the idea of sabre rattling, out of the blue by the way, China hasn't done anything the public cares about, while our countries are in the state they're in remains hilarious.

Idk, I'm sure they think they can rerun the Ukraine playbook, but I don't see it.

most Americans think China is literally nazi Germany, and saying anything contrary to that marks you as insane and potentially treasonous. one of the things that made me give up on gip was seeing a bunch of posters agree that China wanted to genocide Taiwan. pointing out that it’s largely the same ethnic group on mainland and Taiwan just lead to “oh, you don’t think China genocided Hong Kong? loving tankie.”

it’s not just The Troops (real and self appointed) either. all through the Olympics mainstream American media reminded us that China was doing Hitler stuff. then China was responsible for covid. then, most evilishly, China prevented people from getting covid. and then, irresponsibly and evilly, China let their people catch covid. And all the while we’re getting hyped up stories that range from insane exaggeration to outright fake news about Winnie the Pooh being banned to Peng Shui being kidnapped to a completely real and universal social credit score that strangely no one can describe in detail.

imo the current China derangement in the west is on the level of Saddam Hussein from the 90s-2003.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

What the gently caress? lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMpSQV1-bsA

After all of the poo poo we went through, you would hope maybe the response wouldn't be "okay, but this time, they're telling the truth, it'll take two weeks, and we'll be greeted as liberators".

I signed up to wear the blue beret and hand out dolls to smiling Balkan children, and admittedly, they got me pretty good, but come on.

(taking a knee and speaking slowly to the heckin puppo veteran)

the United States may have made mistakes, but we had good intentions in our hearts. and that was the past. right now, we stand against the authoritarianism of ______

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

I can’t figure it out either, except that the term “genocide” is now almost meaningless in liberal discourse. If a racist was making a point by point explanation of how “white genocide” is happening and pulling out the birth rate charts, I struggle to think how a liberal would refute that by their own definitions. adoption of birth control and women choosing to have fewer children in xinjiang is after all one of the key examples of china’s genocide there.

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Nov 4, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

They had some pretty sharp skirmishes that led to two Soviet doctrinal changes: automatic grenade launchers and issuing sleeping bags to their soldiers.

What the gently caress??

going to go out on a limb here and say it: being in the red army sounds bad

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

I thought the a1 jammed all the time in Vietnam’s mud so the forward assist of the a2 fixed that.

I cannot imagine getting pissy about 3 ‘extra’ pounds. bring back hazing if this is what its lack has wrought.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

does the space force meaningfully deploy? do they have infantry? i guess what i'm getting at is, does the space force become the "safe" military branch?


I am led to believe it’s an office job but under military discipline and uniform standards. which is the stupidest way to run an office.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Just get us those contract where we make extra for unexpected cost overruns, you won’t regret it I swear. it’s so cheap man.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

usmc replacing all the artillery with himars is a great way to satisfy both mba brain (less staffing) and mic brain (more money spent)

re: light and heavy infantry, what’s the definitions? usmc has a lot of machine guns in a platoon and lots of mortars so I’ve figured it was heavy infantry but I don’t really know the meanings

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

lol you mean (gamer voice) Pheonix Raven? uh, yeah, they’re basically SF

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

and in defense news, 4 dead, 3 missing, and 19 wounded in what Pentagon officials are calling a “helicopter oopsie”

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

remember when trump said we should take the oil in Syria and everyone made fun of him, then we did exactly that and continue to do it and no one cared. wild

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

skooma512 posted:

I like how there's boots on the ground in COUNTRY REDACTED and has been for years

Special military operation, not a war. :allears:


donating to the brave freedom fighters opposing the imperialist invasion in the so called “special military operation.” Yeah maybe these units have some complicated history but we stand united. glory to the heroes.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

colonel: I’m afraid the gear is just scrap metal

snake: metal gear??

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

Ant something?



it’s 50ft Ant and he did make up a lot of his stories. my eyes would glaze over once the “salty sea dog tells tall tales” meter filled to maximum on the first paragraph.

I think the vibe of “barely trained layabouts messing with expensive hardware” was accurate and based on his experiences but I would not trust any detail.

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Nov 4, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

I’ve attended conferences on this and posted the book that resulted from them Rethinking Professionalism in Today’s Changing Armed Forces but the short answer is that western militaries suck so bad and pay so little that even if you joined out of love for King and Country, why the gently caress would you stay in if you could do anything else?


also specific to marine officers, these problems compound. the us marine corps has always been the place for true blue believers, fanatics of America’s deserved place atop the world. every year that set of beliefs becomes harder to maintain for a thinking person, regardless of ideology. and another problem - the prestige formerly offered by the usmc has now largely transferred to jsoc. true blue believing fanatics are highly motivated by prestige.

in short the there’s fewer of the kind of guy today that would be a marine officer a couple decades ago, and most of that kind of guy today is trying out for SEALs instead.

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