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Danann posted:The new XM5 rifle apparently weighs 5kg fully loaded and is supposed to replace the in service m16/m4 rifles while being incompatible with the current service round (5.56mm). Someone at SIG won a contract for the history books dang. 5kg is heavier than the mass of a mosin according to wiki. MBRs are back bb also, ive read through this whole thread and noone has pointed out that the US & allied militaries have the most decisive weapon - the javelin. its all over commies, go back to quacking in your cope cage!!! its unfortunate they cost more than the tanks tho
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quote:SAAMI, the organization that standardizes cartridges, recommends that no cartridge goes above 65,000 PSI — even big boys like .338 Lapua Magnum only run about 60k. its f22 - the rifle
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Wheeee posted:the rounds currently cost $4 a piece as well i tried to find this number with a brief search, that is hilarious. forget the f22, this feels more like a navy fuckup: https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a23738/uss-zumwalt-ammo-too-expensive/ peaceniks in the defense industry making war too expensive to bother fighting
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i have to assume the goal is to build some prototypes, make a small production run, and then get the whole thing killed while it was still profitable before anyone really needs it for something like WW3, shortly.
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Griz posted:you can mail order the new fancy ammo for $1.50/round (5.56 is 45 cents) factor of 3 in pricing seems reasonable compared to a more ubiquitous round. thats still plenty to pick away at the budget i just found out about their replacement rifle efforts tonight, and this is hilarious. maybe it doesn't look as silly from the militaries point of view? maybe they'll force 6.8 to be as common as 223/556 moving forward. id be willing to guess they'll start finding all the fun corner failure cases with their insane case pressures when they start ramping up volumes and trying to drive costs down 
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future infantry folks gonna have a real gun show going on after packing around XM5s all day every dayWheeee posted:why drop it when you can award a multi-million dollar contract to revise it slightly and shave off half a pound can't work on those broceps if you got a little girly rifle
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*rifle explodes an account of case pressures at ~hand grenade levels in a receiver manufactured by the lowest bidder* whoops, no arms
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i like the idea the killer feature of the t-80 bvm is how fast it can drive backwards 
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thread title is wrong. one green beret socom all american super soldier is going to beat back the asiatic hordes single-handily by dualwielding two suppressed XM5s edit: ok, so not specifically single-handedly, because dual-wielding, but you know
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i assume if a contractor is compensated in a fixed % per round, they will be incentivised to answer ridiculous procurement requirements with the most expensive solution
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Real hurthling! posted:osprey down. 5 killed in southwest.  one bird full of marines at a time o7
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Danann posted:https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1534770264164147202 the best thing about the 3d printing is its easy to do onshore manufacturing. build a factory floor, stock with 3d printers and technicians, and you have a domestic supply of manufactured suppressors. i assume the printers are made in china lol
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i think usb c would be better if it wasn't a common physical connector with competing protocols(?), each supporting some mystery subset of features. president xi, my people yearn for freedom. please force a consolidation of the usb4 spec
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who cares we'll just print some money and order some from china
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finally, a reliable m4-patterned rifle
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a quick googling shows a t80 and t90 to be in the very rough $3M range fancy pants t14 is closer to $4M im sure its 4-6 times better lmao
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lol at the thought of the bloating us mic out mass producing chinese arms manufacturing for cheaper
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Frosted Flake posted:The funniest thing about Strykers as weapons carriers is that strykers were the first time i saw a cope cage lmao 
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Best Friends posted:the us press and osint dorks all doing the soy face on Russian “cope cages” made me feel like I was going insane. every other wheeled vehicle in Iraq had that going on fifteen years ago. generation kill had a good dramatization of light infantry outrunning support and they got super lucky the iraqi lines were folding in front of them for the most part. assuming its even remotely close to the book (did not read) and the book was close to reality, the early russian experience in ukraine also didn't feel all that distinct from the US experience in iraq but everyone's losing their goddamn minds. i haven't watched GK for many years but these poor SOBs dismounted from their tigrs had a similar vibe imho https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1497824591569252352
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1 year doing real war on a single 2500km front, and NATO is getting real tired world's most expensive paper tiger
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Frosted Flake posted:They were no-poo poo oriented around a war that lasted 3 weeks or until the end of the world, whichever came first until 1991, and then it was just expeditionary wars to fine tune the End of History, so you can't blame them for not realizing land wars require munitions. would you rather make 1 dollar/shell and make a billion shells, or 1 billion dollars/plane and make one plane? plus, people may actually expect the shells to work
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idk how the gently caress anyone thinks a real deal actual war with china is going to work. its going to be funny when the west loses access to asian manufacturing capacity while simultaneously having to retool our domestic industry for military production. the people in charge think they can just buy whatever whenever at any quantity and have no conceptual understanding that everything has to be manufactured. manufacturing requires supply chains, and those supply chains require long term nurturing and development. if you don't assume extreme incompetence they are either bluffing and aren't planning for a proper conflict to happen, or they expect it to go nuclear so fast who gives a gently caress. im worried its the latter lmao
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Smythe posted:maybe it is possible that chinese capitalists will happily continue making weapons and ammo for the united states and we'll do the same for them or whatever even in wars against one another. the concept of a nation state is long gone baby. its a corporate world and we're just along for the ride. maybe idk ah the "lets just hope the john birch society was right actually" approach
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ive been enjoying this former soviet chud named Martyanov that posts rants on youtube under the name smoothiex12. he likes to promote analytical approaches to topics and is kind of an rear end in a top hat about things i also hate he claims (reasonably) that industrial warfare is a stochastic process and can be modeled and understood mathematically. when he shows his soviet war manuals they look suspiciously like one of my engineering textooks - i can't read the russian text and wouldn't have noticed the difference honestly his general thesis are the people in charge in the west are actors and lawyers and other folks with an innumerate education. i can't stop seeing this pattern too - they can (barely) wrap their heads around systems, but not systems in motion/with time as a function. its like watching someone planning out a chess game in their head but forgetting that in-between their movements, the opponent also moves their pieces changing the board over time blinken has a degree in social studies, nuland has a degree in russian lit. i wonder if any of them have contemplated the difference between sending N tanks once, and sending N tanks/month. we are intensely unprepared for what is coming 
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Frosted Flake posted:
Real hurthling! posted:the wests leaders arent actually in charge of anything except public relations its not that people who understand don't exist, its that the entire system has been reengineered over the last 70 years to remove them from authority for ~reasons~ vyelkin posted:I think another part of the problem is that Western leaders have completely internalized contemporary economics. One thing you see repeatedly in articles questioning why Russia hasn't collapsed under the weight of massive sanctions from "larger" economies is comparisons based in GDP numbers, like "Russia's economy is smaller than Italy's". The warped valuations of different forms of labour and capital in modern technologized and financialized economies mean that even if the people in charge understand systems, they're understanding them from a perspective that legitimately thinks a Silicon Valley techbro produces 20x the economic value of a Russian tank factory worker, because the techbro makes US$200k a year and the tank factory worker makes the equivalent of US$5k a year. But when it comes to fighting a war, building tanks is much more valuable to the physical economy and its warmaking potential than figuring out how to make a chatbot not say the n-word or programming an app that tells you where the nearest public toilet is. Trying to assess countries' real economic power and potential to wage industrialized warfare based on absolute GDP numbers is obviously ludicrous, but that's how we've trained a generation of politicians and decision-makers to think so that's how they understand the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Emerson_Humanitarian_Trust quote:The Bill Emerson Humanitarian Trust (BEHT) is a strategic grain reserve of commodities and cash held in trust to supplement food aid made available under P.L. 480 programs. The Trust can hold up to 4 million metric tons of wheat, corn, sorghum, and rice. The authorizing statute also authorizes the Trust to hold cash in lieu of commodities. quote:In 2008, as global food prices spiked, the remaining commodities (about 915,000 metric tons) were sold. Since then, the trust is solely a cash reserve, invested in low-risk, short-term securities or instruments.[2] The trust allows the U.S. Agency for International Development’s (USAID) Office of Food for Peace (FFP) to respond to food crises in other countries and release and use funds for famine relief in cases where other resources are not available.[2] Since it no longer holds commodities, it can respond to local food crises outside the US, but not to a global one that affects the USA itself. The trust is still active as of 2017. 
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Zeroisanumber posted:This kinda works but when you apply it to industrial warfare you can easily miss the forest for the trees. Back during WWII there was an entire anylitics division that plotted out poo poo like production and efficient use of bombs, it's where McNamara got his start in government. i disagree about the forest for the trees, i think martyanov's argument is a bit different (and im probably not doing it justice). the us media is loving the wonder weapon angle or stories of minor victories here and there, and that is all bullshit in the long run with industrial war. individual stories of heroism like the ghost of kiev or powerful western weapons like himars don't matter - rates of production matter. you can boil it down to which side is producing the most amount of steel, warm bodies, etc - basic input goods define everything downstream. production rates and consumption rates turn into a system of differential equations which can then be used to determine likely outcomes, messaging doesn't matter in predicting outcomes or best next moves with this process. Bar Ran Dun posted:it’s not a lack or ignorance of systems, it’s a knowledge of how to gently caress with modeling to get it to tell you what you want to hear so you get to do what you wanted to do. The model rather than telling you about reality becomes a piece of evidence to support a preconceived thesis (and the thesis came from the economics you think in). i don't disagree with what you're saying, but i feel like were posting past each other. youre describing a mechanism by which the narrative is formed - what happens when reality refuses to cooperate? you can keep forming "team b"s to tell you what you want to hear, but ISW narratives won't storm trenches
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video: non-literal boatload of tanks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj6nozFKwL0
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Bar Ran Dun posted:right the Chinese definitely get this. also, foreign policy mag is trash. 
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Cao Ni Ma posted:https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/22/asia/us-navy-chief-china-pla-advantages-intl-hnk-ml/index.html worrying about the means of production sounds like commie poo poo. this is america, we'll just cut a check when we need a new boat like civilized people
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Palladium posted:ahahaha russia is the one running out of ammo, as i a smart, modern, efficient military has enough munitions on hand for two good salvos. anymore than that is unnecessary redundancy the nice man from mckinsey told me so
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Thoguh posted:It’s probably the minimum number required to keep the production line open for another year and that’s the only purpose of the contract. failsons doing the literal bare minimum and wondering why the poor kids lap them by putting in effort smdh
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Wheeee posted:following the surprisingly successful battlefield performance of american conscripts during the late 20’s, due in large part to excess adipose tissue fouling the ballistics of shrapnel and small rifle rounds leading to increased survival rates among wounded fighters, militaries around the globe began to adopt a cheeseburger-based diet for their soldiers if you uparmor those floating seats from wall-e and equip them with a TOW missile, the average american could be a formidable force on the modern battlefield
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Weka posted:How is Ukraine not a full on proxy war? once china admits to sending russia deadly weapons MPL50 shovels it will be more clear its a usa vs prc proxy war
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