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Something that was really striking in the finale is the use of dialogue; It was often pretty sparse and almost poetic in how it was deployed, especially in the garage interrogation scene but really throughout the entire episode. It was rarely natural sounding, lots of repetition, simple phrases, and use of silence as we moved through effectively separate vignettes. It made me reflect on how this whole season had such creative direction and went weird and dark. I love how Bill Hader could have easily coasted with a pretty good dark comedy series, but instead he's really stretching and doing bold experimental filmmaking.
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A thing that builds sympathy for Sally (and Barry too, tbh) is the show's view on the cycle of violence and abuse. Both characters (and others in the show) have faced serious harm and trauma that have gotten them to where they are, and they pass that down to others through their own actions, and so on. It doesn't excuse their actions but it seems like a more measured understanding of their place in an unfortunate cycle.
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cheeeeesecake posted:Almost definitely This is Arrested Development, right? "Oh, most definitely"? FireWorksWell posted:Yeah. That thread had some pretty angry derails. There was another one about snow on the tires of parked cars. Specifically it was about the white splashes of dried road salt all over the cars in winter scenes. Some posters presumably from warmer climates had no idea what it was and were theorizing on the possible causes.
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I don't really have a grasp on Sally's character post-timeskip. I feel like her post-skip life, while not exactly illogical for the character, is still a pretty huge shift that happens mostly offscreen. Whereas the other characters I think pretty much arrived at their endgames pre-skip and we're just catching up with how their landing spots developed over time.
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May 23, 2023 20:27
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Von Pluring posted:Chekhov's Coke. He is great in S1 of the HBO Perry Mason show as a fire and brimstone prosecutor, he does some fantastic scenery chewing.
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Owlbear Camus posted:Gentlemen can disagree but I think it's perfectly in keeping with the themes of the show. I view it in a less pessimistic light: I don't think it's that "you can't change", but rather you can't erase or paper over your sins by deciding to "do good" or trade a good deed for a bad. It stays with you and comes home to roost. Would love to hear Bill Hader talk about what he thinks of Catholicism, lol. It's definitely about the cycle of violence and abuse, and how that perpetuates onward. It's a poison that seeps into people and spreads. I dunno if it was intentional but I think it's definitely thematically significant that this all begins with a US soldier murdering a family in the middle east. But not everyone is doomed or trapped. Gene's son seems remarkably well adjusted and forgiving considering what he's dealt with. Albert Nguyen seems alright considering what he went through and what he saw in Barry. It's definitely a fairly bleak story but I don't think it's completely cynical. Tender Bender fucked around with this message at 16:37 on May 25, 2023 |
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May 25, 2023 16:30
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Alan Smithee posted:What about the other two I was gonna say, The Other Two is really loving funny. I missed that it came back a few weeks ago and just binged through the S3 episodes that are out.
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May 25, 2023 16:58
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That DICK! posted:barry, lets break that down, bury. to hide underground, to cause to disappear. sally, sally, to sally forth, a sudden charge from a besieged place against the enemy. \/ 
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May 26, 2023 16:12
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I actually really liked the finale up until the fake movie. Fuchs' speech to Hank doubling as a thinly veiled self-reflection was a great final monologue for Stephen Root, who's stolen pretty much every scene he's in for me throughout the show. I love the Fuchs/Barry dynamic and it ended where I wanted. Great end for Hank, at least as far as this season goes. Need to do a full rewatch to see how I feel about his arc overall. Barry's end was perfect. Incredible use of tension by Hader, keeping us wondering If Barry is going to make the right decision in time before Gene shoots himself. Glad Sally and John are alright, although I would like to know what the gently caress happened. Did she not go to the cops and tell them everything? Or did they just not believe her? Gene's end sucks, yeah he's a scumbag but he doesn't deserve life in prison. The movie was a terrible way to end the episode, it's a fine idea but I was just watching the runtime, first worried and then bummed out when I realized that the fake movie was all we had left before the show ended. No reason for it to take up so much time with how short these episodes are. I guess you get the slowly dawning realization of how hosed the public story had become, but... Eh.
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TIP posted:finale was great, whole season was great Truly impressive how right up until the end they managed to balance laugh out loud moments right in the middle of deadly serious tension, without undercutting the emotional impact. It's amazing.
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I saw someone on Twitter comment that the show started suffering when Hader began directing all of the episodes instead of just some, so his focus skewed more on the directing with less focus on the writing, and I tend to agree. The scene by scene scripting and jokes are still solid, but the overall plotting and themes feel kind of haphazard in the final season. We get almost no interiority into Barry himself this season, the Death Beach and the desert winds are completely abandoned. I get that Hader didn't want people to sympathize with Barry but you can't write your show for the Comments section.
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AlternateAccount posted:Yes, it's SoCiAl CoMmEnTaRy, but done by stupid people. Sorry, just twists me up given that way too many people think that that's approaching reality. "This show doesn't hold up to scrutiny by people who get pedantic over gun types and purchase methods" is a feature, not a bug
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May 29, 2023 20:42
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AmbientParadox posted:The other running thread imo has been the critique of Hollywood. Season 3 had that amazing bit at Banshe about the algorithm deciding what's good and what's not. They also touched on Hollywood revisionism with Joplin ignoring what actually happened in favor of a happier ending. Mask Collector giving an insane Hollywood take on the real events fit right in. It mostly worked for me in Barry and I'm glad it's there, but I can never shake the feeling that these "Hollywood making fun of Hollywood" bits are more funny for the people making them than they are for me watching it.
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May 30, 2023 20:19
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Rewatched the finale, and on reflection I think the time skip was a good idea... Or at least the passage of time was. Especially with Hank's attempt to bury what he did to Cristobal, that's something where I think the passage of time really lets those feelings fester. We need to feel like Hank has spent years trying to block out what he did and reaping the rewards for it, and I don't think it would have felt as effective if he had just killed him like yesterday. I think the mistake was honestly not doing another full season, and having the time skip happen between S4 and S5. Doing it mid-season in a show as short as this meant everything felt super rushed and haphazard. Tender Bender fucked around with this message at 03:04 on May 31, 2023 |
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Stayne Falls posted:Getting some real The Californians vibes from this page Lmao I was thinking this too
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Dick Jones posted:In the revised Jim Moss version of events, Gene somehow got the Chechens to bankroll his acting class and Ryan found out so he had Ryan whacked? Then who ordered Barry to shoot the Chechens in the car? And if Gene's behind it all why would he then go on to date the detective investigating the killings? I think the theory was Gene was mixed up in their drug (?) business. He dated Janice to get the inside scoop on the investigation.
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