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moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



MtG artist Harold McNeill is probably best known for Invoke Prejudice:



Yikes, is that the Klan?

But he's also done Lightning Blow:

Which looks a little Sig rune-y, but


Uhh...


:godwinning:

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moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.




I would definitely like to read this book, thank you.

I've found much overlap between cold-war anti-Soviet intelligence and eastern front nazi propaganda. A lot of our war-era Soviets "history" has roots in a Berlin propaganda office, that came to the west by way of debriefed nazi officers.

So that helps contextualize how 70 years later, a documentary explicitly emphasizes the brutal rapes committed by the savage red army horde as they burned down the architectural wonderland of Berlin.

(I'm sure rape was part of war, it's always been. But it seemed a particularly jarring choice to only spotlight one side's crimes.)

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Sandy Peterson is an old white man, so his being bad at politics isn't really a surprise. But I don't think he's in the same league as the industry's fascist alt-righters and neo-nazis - if only by virtue of him being able to keep that poo poo out of his games.

American conservatism is on a crazy train towards fascism, and it's built on pillars of racism, authoritarianism, and fearmongering - but it's still (slightly) early to brand every conservative as a fascist.

Liquid Communism posted:

There's also still a fair bit of evidence that he faked the punching, because neither the cops nor the venue it happened at believed him, and GenCon has publicly told him he's not welcome, which they rarely do.



The commerative t-shirt is a good indication that maybe this was an idiotic publicity stunt.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



That's really what's so disappointing about America's slide into this bullshit. The right has an industry dedicated to radicalizing boomers and the poor, and the line between right and alt-right is largely academic to begin with.

I really hope it's more than my optimism talking when I say that I don't think everybody watching cernovich (or pdp, ingham, or any other RWM darling) is a nazi - but they're definitely in the pipeline and subjecting themselves to propaganda.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



$75k is going to be really hard to demonstrate. I don't think he sought medical treatment and he attempted to convince the supposed witnesses that anything happened.

rkajdi posted:

He pushes race realism IIRC, so at best it's a distinction without a difference.

gently caress cernovich. Watching him is a huge red flag, but i'm still willing to distinguish between consuming his media and internalizing it.

I acknowledge that I am likely being naive in this regard.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I always thought it referred to pretending a small shovel was a sword (for reasons lost to antiquity. )

I have no doubt that Chernovich is a nazi and an rear end in a top hat. But while all nazis are assholes, not all assholes are nazis.

It's too goddamn depressing to think that every chud subscribed to him, pewdiepie, Ingram, or whomever have beliefs that line up completely with their preferred demagogue. They're poisoning their souls and planting worms in their brains, but (to me) the fans seem somehow less culpable than the creators / grifters.

Not that the distinction between active participant and passive enabler makes any real difference to the children in cages or the people of Flint, MI.

E: I don't want to be the Lorax who speaks for the chuds, and I really hope I'm not coming across that way.

moths fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Apr 24, 2019

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



The Drow originated in D&D, right?

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I think Gygax would have been raised Mormon back when the church was funny* about black people.

(*terrible)

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I'm currently running Twilight 2k and it's frankly amazing how anti-war it manages to be for an 80s RPG about soldiers.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I get legit disappointed when a rules set doesn't somehow punish the player for fielding a Tiger.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I'd probably roll eyes at pink nazis, but that's entirely because I assume a social contract to (at least attempt) adherence to the era.

I completely respect your reasoning, however. Pink is better than enthusiast.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Something that gets lost in a lot of bodycount discussions is that every death in WWII can be attributed to the Nazis for starting WWII.

Like, they talk about how Dresden was horrible? It was! I guess we can agree that Hitler shouldn't have started a loving war.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Historicals have a huge variety of scales, basing conventions, and rules-sets so you often end up with Germans because you're best bet is to model both sides of a conflict and run it as a club game or con event. (At least that's how my group does it.)

Warhammer-style games like Flames of War or Bolt Action encourage each player to bring their own armies- but unless you coordinate and own multiple forces, you'll just get weird matchups like BEF fighting USMC or Romanians from Stalingrad. (FoW takes some steps to prevent time-travel battles, but BA is more anything goes.)

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I would also like to read up on what's wrong with them. The early jackboots looked wildly uncomfortable, and the kit seems awkwardly placed for movement.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Halloween Jack posted:

Did they have anything that was genuinely good besides the MG42?

Reversable camoflague smocks were pretty clever. I'm sure the dye gave you cancer or something, though.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

Like the general internet attitude to anime as a whole at the time (which still persists to some degree now), wherein an entire medium of art was dismissed as being the worst products in that medium through sheer ignorance.

This had more to do with the perception of anime fans in 2001 than with any sincere anti-Japanese sentiment, though. The worst products were openly lauded online and IRL anime was defined by with weird hardcore porn, barely-not pedophilia, or meeting an awkward otaku crusader-fettishist.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I firmly remember being creeped on in the back of a Suncoast in the early 2000s.

Anime may have been more normalized, but its that guys were still brand ambassadors until the DBZ kids grew up and replaced him.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Cessna posted:

It trivializes war and makes it look like a sport, with a side helping of sexualized young girls for extra creepiness.

I got the impression they're just playing airsoft with tanks as a school sport. Is there any actual war element to the show?

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Everybody draws their lines differently, but that seems deliberately inoffensive to me. Like, less offensive than GI Joe or the A-Team in terms of portraying violence and its consequences.

E: I'm absolutely not saying you're wrong for feeling any way about it - I don't think they intend to portray tank battles as war. (...which makes about as much sense as anything else in anime.)

moths fucked around with this message at 19:53 on May 3, 2019

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Nessus posted:

I think the main issue is that a lot of this stuff gets written as a "corrective" or "what THEY got WRONG" and so forth and nobody sits down and writes, for instance, a non-shithead textbook to sell or distribute freely. Perhaps this wouldn't pay, perhaps it wouldn't be the best way to do it, but that is my own perspective on a lot of history classes.

Unless it's changed since I last heard, textbooks are written to appeal to Texas.

Because Texas buys the whole state's books at once in such a way, they either make or break your publishing house.

If you got Zinn, I have no idea how that slipped through. I'm guessing there was still a crate of "Texas approved" textbooks gathering dust in a basement somewhere.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Doesn't WMH still only have about two named PoC characters?

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Er, I probably should have specified humans.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Their India analogue was cool as hell for the whole paragraph of attention it got.

Chaos was part of their pantheon, so beastmen were treated as regular people.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Bad guys and absolutist authoritarians make good fiction but terrible role models.

As long as you can separate reality from fantasy, it's pretty ok to acknowledge that Darth Vader is cool or the Death Eaters have awesome uniforms.

It's when people start using them as a proxy for broke-brain real ideas that it gets to be a red flag.

E: Metal and Vikings are dope. WW2 is fascinating, and so is WW1. And gently caress fascism and white nationalism right in its chinless face.

moths fucked around with this message at 21:18 on May 10, 2019

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Here's a good thing:



The latest Afrika Korps dice and tokens no longer feature the prominent swastika from the historical DAK emblem.

Everyone has a different tolerance for this. I'm ok with an appropriate swastika on a painted model. There's only a handful of places you'd ever see one accurately anyway.

But dice and accessories? Not at all the place for that. So good move Battlefront.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I can easily see ignoring fans, because I mean, come on. the ratio between legitimate concerns and dumb pedantry must be approaching 1:1,000,000.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Mors Rattus posted:

Things got pretty bad, enough that they literally apologized for a playtest packet, so.

White Wolf apologized, but Paradox didn't get involved until after Chechnya. WW's problems went all the way to the top, and little changed after the playtest packet.

I remember Zak willfully misinterpreted the Dogs With Dice post as accusing everyone involved in V5 of being Nazis, and turned his harassment hose onto the blogger.

...Who I just now realized leveraged his (when-convenient) Jewishness to offer cover to the actual 1488-dropping fash. Every time you examine Zak's behavior, there's something new and worse!

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



My personal metric is "Would this character dress herself this way?" and I feel like that's been a good barometer.

Another thing to watch is pose, as previously mentioned. Privateer suffers some lingerie-armored wercasters, but they're all complete badasses (on paper, if not practice) and project power in their depiction.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



open_sketchbook posted:

if you're a 3rd ed kid, they were The Face of Space Marines as the pivot was completed from their characterization as techfuture soldiermen with a starship troopers vibe to Grim Knight Boys of Future Medieval Times. there's definitely a nostalgia factor there.

This is absolutely true, and they were also featured prominently in Codex Armageddon, along with the Steel Legion, Kult of Speed, and Salamanders.

Ironically, the Black Templars are one of the only unambiguous "good guy" chapters, with actually heroic heroes, a moral compass, and companion for regular humans. As far as I know the list is basically just them, Ultras, Salamanders, and Celestial Lions.

It was also one of the first chapters to depict black people marines in official art, as far as I can tell.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



The curse about living in "interesting times" is really on-point in this regard. A lot of terrible history is fascinating to everyone. Terrible people will gravitate towards certain aspects, but they tend to revere the troublemakers rather than learn from them.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Steel Legion sculpts have been 50% female from day one.
:colbert:

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Deified Data posted:

Perhaps this thread would be better served, and less pigeonholed, with a slight moniker change from fascists in trad games to reactionaries/conservatism in trad games.

I also miss grognards.txt but for some reason we can't have it back.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



The Lancer people got back to me on Twitter, seemed legitimately disappointed with themselves for the oversight and have made the correction. They also indicated that they'd heard from several people today about the issue.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



There was actually a cool twist in AT-43 where the murderous faction bent on destruction turns out to be post-singularity humans. The regular humans do not know this, IIRC.

Wargames tend to invoke monoculture societies because at the end of the day space elves only exist to battle the space orks and the space humans. Which probably explains their appeal to chuds, since once you make the "Ah ha, these aliens are actually based on China" you can publicly racist your heart out under a veneer of deniability.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I haven't played Gloomhaven and don't want to be spoiled - is there a sanitized version of whatever is going on here?

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



atelier morgan posted:

No, it's the current beta.

FWIW, this is the whole point of a beta. You catch mistakes and fix them.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



The idea is that a "ticking time bomb situation" absolves one of moral obligations, allowing you to do the wrong thing because the alternative is impractical or worse.

So Jack Bauer can break your fingers until you tell him where the bomb is, because there isn't time to properly interrogate you (ie: win your trust, examine your story, analyze flaws, etc).

It's also why America's right wing authoritarians have been increasingly catastrophizing their agenda. This is no time to be rational! Saddam has WMD, there's a War on Christmas, FEMA is planning deathcamps st Walmart, abortion is a genocide of babies, MS-13 is Mexican al Qaeda, Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a secret Muslim (who created ISIS), the Deep State has stolen the country from Trump, and now Jews will replace you and whites will be extinct in a decade.

None of that is even slightly true, but it all sets the stage for "tough decisions," ie: eroding other people's rights because of the situation's "urgency." It's all that same time-bomb loophole. People inherently understand that it's bullshit, but it absolves them of responsibility and frees them up to indulge their worst urges because there's "no alternative."

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Torture also has a much thinner buffer from the real world, in that it happens a lot more than anyone thinks.

Magical lighting and cloudkill? Not as much. You still have chemical weapons IRL, but it's nowhere nearly as prevalent.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Starting over-the-top hard then fading to your normal speaking voice is an established film trick. Think of all the times you've seen movie Nazis introduced as speaking German (with subtitles,) but who have full British accents by the end of the film.

Ironically, it works less if you do it subtle. Think Costner in Robin Hood, or Keanu in Dracula.

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moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



It really does wonders for your well-being when you remove someone who is the equivalent of a splinter from your life.

I don't think I even realized that it was an option until my 30s though.

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