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Mel Mudkiper posted:What makes the movie special isnt that it goes places you dont expect, it's that it goes deeper into where you have already been I'd like this sewn onto a sampler.
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I enjoyed watching this, but it's kind of like if The Shining petered out after the room 237 scene. It needed to be either more emotionally involving or way more bugnuts. One of my biggest issues was how much of the film the characters spent tripping out, which meant it was difficult to connect with them in terms of their actions and decisions.
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Jul 6, 2019 04:18
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I liked a lot of the "village as family" stuff - one of my favorite moments (outside of the Austin Powers line) was the mutual groan, and then the amiable laughter after the bit with the herring, which felt true to a loving group of people.graventy posted:Man, after reading the thread I feel like I gave Christian way too much sympathy during my first viewing. The film loads things a little bit in his favor towards the beginning (though his first line is literally something like "I'm doing resin with the guys" before offering her emotional advice, presumably while stoned), and he's never really made into a villain, which kind of leads to the mixed catharsis at the end. On the one hand, hooray! She has a family and is now rid of her doofus manipulative deadbeat boyfriend. On the other hand, she just killed a guy for being a selfish moron on mushrooms. I like the idea that becoming a part of the commune is basically taking the easy way out, but I wish they'd done a better job of emphasizing their relative positions.
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Jul 6, 2019 16:22
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Which is probably why he lightened up so much when she said she wanted to come. Oh yes, please come, that way I probably won’t be burnt to death!
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Jul 6, 2019 17:47
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I was expecting someone to be cut open and stuffed with flowers while they were still alive, and also low-key hoping that Dani would be sacrificed, at which point she, as a spirit of nature, would wreak apocalyptic havoc on the commune, which wouldn't really fit the movie's themes but would've been fun to watch.
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Jul 7, 2019 02:21
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The horror elements also kind of didn't really do much for me. I liked the cliff scene, which reminded me a lot of the one in Songs from the Second Floor by way of, like, Lars von Trier, but the blood eagle was (besides being done better on Hannibal) just kind of...there? The only other bits I can recall are the guy getting bonked on the head and the face in the bathroom, and I guess the ending, but I wouldn't really call that scary.
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Jul 7, 2019 05:05
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Ape Agitator posted:I took it as scholarly knowledge vs actually seeing it happen. From the night before, he definitely knew what it meant and had that tense "I'm about to watch something horrible on YouTube" hand-on-face but for real. I read his attitude as assuming that they would be doing it in a way that was more like paying homage to the original tradition, rather than literally hurling their elders from a cliff. Too bad they didn't do it the Monty Python way, and chase them with sexy naked people. Olympic Mathlete posted:It's by the artist Mu Pan: http://www.mupan.com/ and is on his website... Oh it's adorable. His garden of earthly delights painting is real good too, maybe Aster's next movie can end with a lion hydra. Or that pooping T-Rex. Magic Hate Ball fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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Jul 8, 2019 17:59
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Uh have you seen the movie? Thet had chasing people with naked people thing down But not off a cliff! Owlofcreamcheese posted:He asks “an actual one” and gets the response “pretty darn actual”. I think it’s just not the sort of thing you can prepare for. I suppose. I thought that segment, and the bit right after, was kind of off-kilter character-wise, but I also felt like I couldn't really get a read on him.
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Jul 8, 2019 18:08
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Midsommar is best enjoyed as a teutonic romcomumentary written by Ruth Prawer Jhabvala, directed by Xavier Dolan, and filtered through the twisted mind of Shari Lewis.
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Jul 9, 2019 01:14
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It’s just like Oleanna!
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Jul 9, 2019 19:38
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Yeah I think a lot of people are taking some things about this movie very literally that aren’t meant to be I mean, there's a lot about the characters and their relationship that's fairly vauge and left up to the audience to decide or assume, so I'm not surprised people feel very differently about their actions, but Aster does seem to be very clearly indicating that her actions and feelings at the end should inspire, at the very least, moral unease. It's functionally the same as the climax of Carrie, except Carrie draws very clear lines about how we should feel, which makes it a more overt tragedy. This is more like that article about dating Aziz Ansari, and you could argue that this film is just as critical towards women about how those kinds of situations are handled, though it's delivered via a plot device that's like one of those doofus twitter thought experiments about a white person saying the n-word to avert nuclear tragedy. What if that?? Huh??
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Jul 10, 2019 16:47
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:not gonna lie you lost me there What we get about their relationship is that Christian's primary thrust in life is to take passive control, and that Dani needs a therapist to properly deal with her PTSD and anxiety. The proper response to a situation like that is to break up, not to literally burn him alive, but the narrative goal of the film is to get her to that point, and there's a lot of odd justifying going on to get there without enough substance. I feel that more detail was needed to properly explore these "grey area" people, as I think, Aster referred to them, because without that detail they're not complex, they're just ciphers, and it puts the audience in the position of doing a lot of guesswork about these people and their motivations. I found it hard to really engage with her decision at the end, because I a: didn't feel one way or another about it and b: it was hard for me to tell what she was making her decision based on. There's this great, almost devil's advocate moral quandry in the beginning regarding responsibility on both sides that's functionally dissolved by the end, and that's frustrating.
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Jul 10, 2019 17:24
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:See I mostly agree with all this but everything from the Carrie comparison on in your previous post is what lost me Carrie is very clear about how we should feel about Carrie, while this film is much more ambiguous (almost to a fault), and it kind of reminds me of the Aziz Ansari thing where the big question became the degree to which he deserved to be publicly shamed for being pushy, entitled, and horny. He's a stonewalling dickbag, but she's deeply codependent (your partner is not your therapist!) - the horror should arise from the painful irony that she's found a "place" that a: requires her to literally murder her way out of her past and b: she functionally takes advantage of, but because so much of the film is vague and ambiguous, it feels more like a clumsy thought experiment than a satisfyingly twisted moral conclusion (again, see also Oleanna, which is more successfully provocative but is also Mamet bending himself into a pretzel to make Anita Hill and Clarence Thomas equally villainous and sypathetic).
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Jul 10, 2019 17:59
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Per the script, re: her smile: it describes her as having surrendered to a “joy known only to the insane”, that she has “lost herself completely and is finally free”, and it’s “horrible and beautiful” as she is now queen and “no longer alone” Also the script is very overt about Christian being emotionally disconnected. His eyes are often described as having “no warmth”.
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Jul 11, 2019 22:33
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I mean, just because it was gnarly doesn’t mean it wasn’t humorous.
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Jul 14, 2019 02:07
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Also the fact that he goes feet first like someone doing a lame high-dive jump is a great image.
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Jul 14, 2019 02:23
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Some people used to say that the anticipation of violence is more effective than the display of violence, and that one's imagination is far greater at conjuring horror than the sight of fake blood everywhere. Those people are, of course, wrong as evidenced by my screening's reaction to a woman's head being bashed open in broad daylight. Jesus Christ, the field of CG and Makeup sure has come a long way. The heads made me so happy, that was some good stuff.
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Jul 15, 2019 17:48
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Snack Bitch posted:So what I am reading, the real horror of Midsommer is Dani’s doctor’s failure to diagnose and treat chronic depression. I mean, basically. In the first couple scenes I was like “wow she really needs more therapy to figure herself out”. If you can’t love yourself, how are you gonna love the death cult you’ve given yourself over to?
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Jul 16, 2019 00:38
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The whole thing with the thesis was so bizarre.
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Jul 16, 2019 13:32
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Midsommar: Who Needs Therapy When You Can Just Get High And Kill Your Boyfriend At IKEA
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Jul 16, 2019 13:55
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a new study bible! posted:I can accept this. Although I personally struggle to think of a horror movie where all the characters are as checked out as they are in this film. That was my biggest issue here in terms of drama and tension - all the stuff that matters happens in the first thirty (forty-five?) minutes, and then the rest of the movie is basically just them milling around.
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Jul 16, 2019 15:40
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This movie should win an honorary Oscar for “weirdest discourse”.
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Jul 16, 2019 16:26
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Elderbean posted:Ari really tapped into something real with Christain, he's such a genuine dirtbag college kid. "Just smoked some resin at Mark's and now we're getting pizza" is a pretty incredible first line.
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Jul 17, 2019 15:45
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Franchescanado posted:That doesn't negate what I said at all. I am talking about the actual way the movie is structured, with both concentrating on comedy and setting up characters in the first half, and then the second building into horror / violence. Hostel doesn't get into the torture or violence until the 2nd half of the film. The first half is them on vacation, loving around with locals, and then their friend going missing. Their friend going missing is the catalyst that pushes it into horror. Before that it's just a sex comedy. Midsommar is also very, very sparse with its horror.
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Jul 18, 2019 18:01
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This movie really should've just been Evening Primrose, but set in an IKEA.
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Jul 19, 2019 03:38
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Brigadoon is way more terrifying.
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Jul 20, 2019 16:40
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Hereditary without the horror is August Osage County, which is also horror.
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Jul 21, 2019 01:02
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K. Waste posted:The movie sucked, though Yes, but the play is incredible.
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Jul 21, 2019 02:04
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I found both this and Hereditary to be more foreboding-funny than scary, particularly with the ironically-jubilant endings and the giddy violence. The moments of horror are almost more like gleeful twists in a soap opera where you’re like “ohhhhh poo poo lmao”. I spent a lot of this movie grinning because it’s just fun to see things like the attestupa or the murder suicide done so fearlessly, and it’s kind of hard for me to imagine someone reeling with terror from those scenes (though, much like comedy, horror is different for everyone).
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Jul 26, 2019 16:56
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I think the black comedy turn at the end of the opening where he’s “trapped” with her does a lot of the damage in that regard.
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I brought up Aziz earlier because Midsommar feels like a biting comment on that situation.
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