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Coasterphreak posted:This guy got my point. The solution is not being a paid enforcer for the rich who are set on gentrifying the community out of existence if you want to be a member of the community, buddy. Hope that helps.
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# ¿ Jul 29, 2019 04:56 |
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# ¿ May 11, 2024 09:17 |
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Melthir posted:They literally do though, as a volunteer fire fighter I've seen them over and over no matter what town I've been stationed in. Dudes take the extra time to listen and talk. Dont run around in a brodozer. Its generally the guys in the mid 30s or younger. Just because they don't support your bullshit fantasy doesn't mean they are not out there and common enough. That's the thing. A good person who becomes a cop lasts as a 'good cop' precisely until they realize that they cannot stop the bad cops from abusing their power. At that point they either stop being a cop, or stop being good and start being complicit in the coverups.
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# ¿ Aug 1, 2019 09:55 |
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Melthir posted:Bullshit, thats a loving strawman from hell. You are not responsible for someone else's actions. You are responsible for you. If someone else does something hosed up pass it up the chain. If they choose not to act that's on them. If it's bad enough contact the IG or IA. You do the best you can do every day. I've been doing this gig 16 years now and yeah the assholes get to be a pain but if you don't make a change but can prevent poo poo from getting worse then your doing your community a favor if some idealist gently caress like me wasn't filling this gig they'd likely put some Gomer Pyle gently caress in my spot. Every single day you can make a difference is just whether you going to let this poo poo grind you down or not. It's pretty provable. https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-08/nu-poe080119.php?fbclid=IwAR3Drm71gkwbU0mgBIvabquuzdFcryaAxOWZ_DB84Ae6KNiE3wjIkkMGTZc I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings to have it pointed out, but the systemic rot is real.
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# ¿ Aug 2, 2019 21:04 |
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mlmp08 posted:Honestly, shootings like this one are a good argument for why, despite the poo poo we give them, cops are necessary. The other issue is that the cops seem to be strongly inclined to assist said right wing domestic terrorist organizations in any circumstance that isn't about an active shooter. Check out Portland PD coordinating with the Proud Boys for a recent egregious example.
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# ¿ Aug 5, 2019 03:25 |
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bulletsponge13 posted:Don't pretend like he is the only example post-Columbine. No duty to protect, along with 'I ain't dying in no ghetto' breeds cowardice. Don't forget the contempt for 'civilians'. Training cops like infantrymen breeds cops treating those they interact with like hostile populations in an occupied country: The story of policing since 9/11.
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# ¿ Aug 5, 2019 20:15 |
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Meanwhile in Saint Louis: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/st-louis-sergeant-there-are-white-supremacists-on-the-police-force/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=71676634quote:"Do you think that there are white supremacists on the police force?" asked CBS News correspondent Jeff Pegues. But I'm sure it's just a few bad apples and not a systemic issue across the country.
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# ¿ Aug 7, 2019 22:35 |
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I mean it gets pretty obvious when stuff like this keeps coming up nearly daily: https://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/2019/08/michigan-police-officer-suspended-after-kkk-memorabilia-found-in-home.html quote:MUSKEGON, MI – A Muskegon police officer has been placed on administrative leave while the city investigates an allegation that his home contains racist memorabilia. Edit: Better article with more details. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Aug 9, 2019 |
# ¿ Aug 9, 2019 03:39 |
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I'm still pretty firmly of the opinion that resolving the biggest issues of policing requires solving the basic problem of how police are trained, funded, and managed. Stop training cops like they're anti-terrorism units. Focus on community policing, teach de-escalation, and develop better training and policy around dealing with the mentally ill. Remove the perverse incentives around tying funding to ticketing. Build an independent federal-level organization under to DoJ to prosecute malfeasance, rather than relying on local prosecutors who risk their career if they push too hard because other police will sabotage cases in revenge.
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# ¿ Aug 10, 2019 05:28 |
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Chichevache posted:I'll look him up. I'm curious to see how he thinks this would work. I know that's how it often worked prior to the advent of modern policing. I still don't see how that doesn't devolve into the elites using the police for their own advantage. As a millenial I'm not feeling predisposed to trusting elders (boomers). That is always going to be an issue until we manage to build a political system the rich can't afford to buy. Since that's not happening any time soon, reform that is presently achievable can focus on making enforcement egalitarian, making punishment focused on reformation rather than punitive measures, and holding those responsible accountable when power is abused.
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2019 04:27 |
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I wanted to bring this here because it illustrates one of the problems we keep talking about : https://twitter.com/ErnieLies/status/1162741430424674305 Note the refusal to even speculate on the existence of responsibility to be assumed, to the point of writing in such a way that it appears that the truck a corrections officer drove into protesters (on video, I note) did so of its own volition.
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2019 10:43 |
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Chichevache posted:I'm not defending the murder of a man, but the job is still to arrest people committing crimes. Part of that job, and one of the most vital parts in fact, is also knowing when and how force is justified. A cop's ego being hurt because they aren't given the deference they expect isn't a justification for use of force, no matter how much they want it to be.
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# ¿ Aug 20, 2019 04:01 |
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Any day now. Yep. After the whole bit where a bunch of right wingers staged an armed occupation of federal property and threatened to shoot the feds a couple years ago, it's definitely 'any day now'. As a reminder, they did over $2 million worth of damages to that wildlife refuge during a six week armed standoff, including trying to destroy native burial grounds, and the worst any of them got was 21 months in jail. The majority got probation only and the leaders were tried and acquitted. quote:By February 11, all of the militants had surrendered or withdrawn from the occupation, with several leaders having been arrested after leaving the site; one of them, Robert LaVoy Finicum, was shot and killed during an attempt to arrest him after he reached toward a handgun concealed in his pocket after he tried to evade a roadblock; Ryan Bundy was wounded. More than two dozen of the militants were charged with federal offenses including conspiracy to obstruct federal officers, firearms violations, theft, and depredation of federal property. By August 2017, a dozen had pleaded guilty, and six of those had been sentenced to 1–2 years probation, some including house arrest. Seven others, including Ammon and Ryan Bundy, were tried and acquitted of all federal charges. Four more had been found guilty and were sentenced months later: Jake Ryan and Duane Ehmer each received 366 days in prison, with Ryan additionally getting three years of supervised probation. Darryl Thorn received 18 months on November 21, 2017. Jason Patrick received 21 months on February 15, 2018.
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# ¿ Aug 20, 2019 11:18 |
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EBB posted:How about departments de-militarize? You don't need IED-resistant vehicles, and the operator chic needs to go away from SWAT units. When I see a cop, the things that stand out most are the big yellow taser and any moto poo poo they have on. I don't want to go talk to somebody loaded for bear, that's scary. Even 20th's century era NYPD uniformed cops look more approachable for directions or help than today's comparable beat outfits. Yep. The ACLU did a report on this a few years ago, and it's only gotten worse. The War on Drugs created justification and the War on Terror opened up budgets and provided an excuse to militarize further. quote:Our analysis shows that the militarization of American policing is evident in the training that police officers receive, which encourages them to adopt a “warrior” mentality and think of the people they are supposed to serve as enemies, as well as in the equipment they use, such as battering rams, flashbang grenades, and APCs. This shift in culture has been buoyed by the U.S. Supreme Court’s weakening of the Fourth Amendment (which protects the right to privacy in one’s home) through a series of decisions that have given the police increased authority to force their way into people’s homes, often in drug cases.
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# ¿ Aug 21, 2019 05:11 |
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Most departments don't seem to be trained that the taser is a less-lethal weapon, not a non-lethal pain compliance device. It is less likely to kill someone than a bullet or a few whacks upside the head with a truncheon, but it definitely isn't safe.
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# ¿ Aug 21, 2019 09:15 |
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I'm just going to keep posting this stuff because screaming into the void keeps me from sticking my head in a woodchipper for another hour. https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1167189416135286785?s=20 quote:Two former New York City police officers who admitted to having sex with an 18-year-old woman who accused them of raping her while she was under arrest and handcuffed in their police van reportedly took a plea deal to avoid jail time, The New York Post reports. Eddie Martins and Richard Hall pleaded guilty in Brooklyn Supreme Court on Thursday to 11 counts of receiving bribes and misdemeanor official misconduct, Martins' lawyer told the newspaper. Under the plea deal, the two men will serve five years of probation but no jail time. According to the lawyer, the victim was not notified of the deal—but her lawyer said his client was outraged when notified by the Post. “They’re getting away with rape,” attorney Michael David said “They raped my client and they’re not getting any jail time?... That’s outrageous."
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# ¿ Aug 30, 2019 02:21 |
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Stravag posted:Yeah. The people who are ok with it seem to not notice how there would be an issue there Same people who I'm sure don't believe duress is a thing.
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# ¿ Aug 30, 2019 04:31 |
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Yep. Sheriffs alone, there are 99 individual departments in my state. That's not counting, say, the eight suburbs/exurbs in one county each with their own department for cities.
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# ¿ Sep 5, 2019 20:49 |
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Interesting video here from a former police trainer about the terrible misapplication of police tactics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmjB7TUroyE
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# ¿ Sep 10, 2019 23:57 |
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https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1174343428563492866 The rare sighting of a court -not- granting immunity to an officer who randomly murders a family pet.
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# ¿ Sep 18, 2019 18:52 |
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Meanwhile in 'the sheer arrogance of these people', here's a clip compilation of a cop repeatedly planting drugs during traffic stops. https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1174572076629483520 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/07/10/former-jackson-county-deputy-zach-wester-arrested-drug-planting-probe/1693260001/ quote:A former Florida deputy was arrested Wednesday morning on numerous charges that he planted street drugs like meth on unsuspecting motorists before hauling them off to jail.
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# ¿ Sep 19, 2019 19:39 |
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They likely legally can't.
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# ¿ Sep 26, 2019 08:00 |
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Wasabi the J posted:So how do we begin to fix this? As I've been posting for literally years: A federal-level org under DoJ whose sole purpose is to prosecute cops. Take it entirely out of the hands of locals, investigate and try all of these cases federally, and preferably on CSPAN so everyone can see the evidence, and see every 'blue wall of silence' motherfucker who's willing to lie on the stand to protect a shitbag.
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# ¿ Oct 2, 2019 03:39 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I was being facetious when I posted the police boat, but seriously - who else is meant to handle enforcement of speed limits and safe boating practices? Usually the DNR here, since that's who licenses boats in the first place, but I live approximately as far from salt water as possible.
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# ¿ Oct 2, 2019 05:53 |
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Man-Fatally-Shot-at-Dallas-Apartment-Complex-562267151.html You know, I hate to be paranoid, but 'dude who just stood to witness on a dirty cop getting put away is assassinated via drive-by, no leads found' is some pretty scarily circumstantial poo poo, and needs to be investigated well above the Dallas PD's level. I would put a fair bit of money on the chances that someone knows something there. It's too convenient. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Oct 6, 2019 |
# ¿ Oct 6, 2019 03:44 |
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joat mon posted:That's a backwards and deeply cynical way to put it. It's a pretty accurate way to put it, given the judge had the foresight to make sure all the t's were crossed and i's were dotted rather than intentionally 'forget' to mention it and provoke a retrial that could get a friendly jury. A more cop friendly judge would have made that 'oversight'.
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# ¿ Oct 7, 2019 09:25 |
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My Spirit Otter posted:ya, well, deathsquad implies its sanctioned by the government and no matter how we feel about the current administration, we can all agree they're far too incompetent to do anything like that. Deathsquad feels wrong because we shouldn't have death squads in the US. It is unfortunately accurate given the likelihood that these people will be sheltered by the police and not face any real effort to investigate this crime and bring them to trial, because they chose a target that the local police already have reason to want to see taken down for daring to take the stand against one of their own.
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# ¿ Oct 8, 2019 04:16 |
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Oh, hey. Here's why he was assassinated. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amber-...0_7b4OpJ3YTvfTE He was going to testify in the civil case against the Dallas PD.
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# ¿ Oct 8, 2019 09:30 |
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https://twitter.com/DallasPD/status/1181633348915142657 Dallas PD laying the groundwork.
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# ¿ Oct 9, 2019 00:10 |
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Victor Vermis posted:I helped you find a home for this article which cites Breaking Bad in its deconstruction of the motivations of people killing each other over illegal substances/money and their actions subsequent to committing a murder. So think about it this way. Can you think of any other person or organization, when public rumor suggests they may have been involved in a crime, gets away with making those sort of open if lightly veiled threats towards their critics during an ongoing investigation?
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# ¿ Oct 11, 2019 13:12 |
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mlmp08 posted:Saying that words from others expressing doubt in the PD’s integrity may cause the police to shed their own integrity reads as a threat. This. That's where the threat is implicit. 'Don't say these things or we may forget our integrity and make you regret it.' 'Jeopardize the integrity of the City of Dallas' is another explicit threat to simply stop doing their job. If you're not aware of what a 'blue flu' looks like, take a minute to read up.
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# ¿ Oct 11, 2019 23:28 |
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Shooting Blanks posted:This is the more important part of the tweet in my opinion. I think the "thinly veiled threat" as it's been called here is just a poor command of the English language. But a declarative statement about innocence/guilt or whether third party comments are factual or not is not only incredibly premature, it's a clear conflict of interest. There is no way for the Chief of DPD to know with absolute certainty whether or not his department was involved - the investigation/judicial process around a murder generally takes weeks at a minimum, more often months unless they have a signed confession. "Move along citizen, nothing to see here" is also an implicit threat. Edit: Remember also this is Texas. Even if the lady was armed to the teeth and carrying an AK at high ready, she'd be perfectly within her legal rights. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Oct 13, 2019 |
# ¿ Oct 13, 2019 09:29 |
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Godholio posted:I suspect that's not how most of them see it. I worry more than it's exactly how many of them see it, and they want to be on the winning side.
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# ¿ Oct 14, 2019 06:34 |
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Good.
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# ¿ Oct 15, 2019 02:59 |
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Chichevache posted:Disarm everyone or you have accountants and cashiers responding to active shooter situations. Keep separate armed units that only respond to things like this. Joe Bob Patrol Officer not being armed stands to reduce unnecessary homicides by at least a thousand a year, which would be a 5-10% reduction in the overall homicide rate.
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# ¿ Oct 17, 2019 23:40 |
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A Bad Poster posted:That number doesn't seem that high to be honest, and adds another tick mark in the column of "take guns away from the cops." When you consider 'got hit by a passing car' (the most common cop death at work) is a line of duty death, yeah. Cops aren't even top 10 for most dangerous jobs in the US. They're 18. Behind garbagemen, roofers, construction workers in general, groundskeepers, farmers, drivers, steelworkers, loggers, and fishermen. quote:18. Police and sheriff's patrol officers
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# ¿ Oct 20, 2019 12:21 |
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It's dumb as gently caress from a firearms perspective. Subway train walls aren't going to stop gunfire at close range, and you've got hundreds of bystanders who will get that bullet instead.
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# ¿ Oct 28, 2019 07:32 |
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https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/oct/30/im-going-to-put-a-bullet-in-your-brain-graphic-vid/quote:The Spokane Police Department on Wednesday released graphic body camera footage of a February incident in which an officer shouted an expletive and threatened to kill a suspect before hoisting a police dog into the cab of a pickup truck to subdue the man. Edit: I was trying to call out the parts, but I have to post the whole article. quote:By Chad Sokol Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Nov 1, 2019 |
# ¿ Nov 1, 2019 00:39 |
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Internet Wizard posted:Cool. What’s your hot take on what GWS is up to these days? We're making soup. Come make soup with us.
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# ¿ Nov 9, 2019 21:53 |
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Grem posted:This is exactly what DHS will argue. Yup, and they'll get away with it because they have effectively zero oversight. Same reason the TSA has a $7billion + budget yet for nearly a decade now has failed more than 75% of their own testing to see if contraband weapons can pass checkpoints.
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# ¿ Nov 29, 2019 11:56 |
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EBB posted:Two suspects hijack a UPS truck, cops murder the UPS driver being held hostage and an innocent bystander FIRING INTO TRAFFIC Not only did the straight up murder that driver, look at the car behind the truck. They had no loving idea what was in their backstop, which is to say they were unloading with handguns and what looks to be an AR into moving traffic, and another bystander died because of it. Chichevache posted:Unless they were shooting indiscriminately as they drove I don't see a reason to engage them. As you said, it looks like the cops opened fire first, which would definitely be bad. But that doesn't necessarily mean the hostage takers hadn't been shooting as they fled (I dont see anything indicating they were, but a helicopter video is hardly the whole story, so I'm not ruling out the possibility based only on the short clip we have). If you bend over backwards any further to justify police firing indiscriminately into a crowded situation with a backdrop of bystanders, which resulted in the deaths of both the hostage and one of said bystanders, you're going to strain something and end up on paid leave with the shooters. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Dec 6, 2019 |
# ¿ Dec 6, 2019 10:53 |