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Zereth posted:Arduak and Ink Witch are pursuing something. This is the funniest thing too me, Mookie keeps taking the camera away from the actually motivated characters and focusing on this bland bag of wet noodles. Like there is a reason why the whole "Hot blooded hero" is such a well used trope, we aren't part of this world, we feel what the characters feel. So without anyone in the party who is passionate about finding the legacy it becomes impossible to care about it ourselves. Say what you want about the Ink Witch (I love that she still doesn't have a name), she is at least motivated, has a goal beyond mild curiosity, and serious character flaws she needs too grow out of, even if they were unintentional. She would be a far more interesting protagonist, not necessarily a likeable one, but definitely more interesting. Honestly, I love how Mookie bungles even basic storytelling: He has his main character show interest in a thing. A mysterious women with questionable motivations who is tied to said thing shows up to stoke his sense of adventure. Then his quaint little peasant village explodes destroying his ties to his old life. This is a perfectly fine setup for a JRPG, good job. So does he follow this up with them getting to know each other, working together and sharing why they are on this adventure while on a perilous quest to find some Macguffins? Nope! Said women gets beamed out of the story and Snout shrugs and lies down in the dirt like a loving cave troglodyte. And then it keeps up like this with characters just showing up and leaving without any time to get too know them, so it's basically impossible to care about any of this.
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This may come across as an odd thing too fixate on, but holy poo poo I'm so sick and tired of lovely creepy nerds and their obsession with "Lower back pain". And yeah that is a legitimate issue for some women, but they don't care about that because they don't care about women. It's just yet another excuse to do two of their favourite things, sexualize women and poo poo on women for being sexualized. And this is a particularly infuriating example because this woman is literally just minding her own business, she wasn't being rude, she wasn't being flirty, she was just sitting there when our heroes decide to be awful too her for the crime of being what Mookie pictures when he thinks of jock dating cheerleaders. And it speaks volumes of the kind of person Mookie was....is? that it didn't occur to him that this, and other things in this arc make his protagonists look like the worst kind of people.
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There's something that I love about Mookies writing. When it comes to bad writers most of them have at least some decent, or at least workable ideas. The reason their stories end up bad is because putting those ideas out there is the difficult part. Mookie on the other hand, his ideas themselves are just baffling and weird and awful they are. Like just the first chapter alone. Why introduce Snouts' quest by having him randomly stumble upon a page that just happens to contain the name of an author he likes? He has no reason to try and risk his life for the pages themselves beyond idle curiosity, and the story never establishes why he cares so much, so we have no reason to want to see him succeed. Why introduce the Ink Witch only to spend all his time with her searching for the ship, which then just beams her away? Why follow this up with the page finder nonsense? Why not have them search for the pages, or whatever McGuffins, together? Why destroy his house if it doesn't even inconvenience him, let alone give him a reason too go on a journey? Snout and Ink never have so much as a single conversation. He doesn't nurse her back too health. They don't go on an adventure together. And because of all of this they never bond, and the audience has no reason to want to see them together either as friends or as lovers. Why have it so Snout, mister Curious himself never realizes there is a town like a day or two away? Why have him act like simply checking up on the crashed ship is a huge hardship when he has no time limit? Like, this makes him look like an rear end in a top hat, "Well golly the woman I just helped out might be dead but gosh and heckin' darn it, this might make reaching a town I just heard about take five minutes long, phooey!" So you have an adventure that no one has a compelling reason to be on, one of them is an idiot and the other is manipulative. And this is the best chapter so far! It would have been so easy to fix this. Establish Snout feeling ostracized from Mongrel Town due too how they treat him for being deaf, that living by himself has developed keen survival skills and his only real possessions are a collection of books from an author he loves. Have him find a wounded Ink Witch, show how over joyed he is that her ink magic means he can finally have a proper conversation with someone, and have them bond over their mutual love of Deegans books. Have them go on a short adventure to recover some of Inks lost gear, show that between his survival skills and her magic they work well togther. And end it with Ink revealing that she is studying the legacy of Dominic Deegan and ask him to escort her to Mongrel Town since that's where the next piece of the puzzle is. Then you blow up his house! It wouldn't automatically be great, but a decent writer could establish why they are together on this journey. Even a good writer couldn't make any of these ideas work. But he didn't do any of this because he comes up with most of his ideas like two strips before he adds them, Snout didn't know about Mongrel Town because it didn't exist until it first got mentioned. The whole page finder nonsense happened because he only just came up with it, so he flings Ink Witch out of the story to make room for it. Snout never has a reason for this journey because Mookie still hasn't come up with one! Pulsarcat fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Oct 30, 2021 |
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:To be fair, though, Mookie absolutely has regressed dramatically as a writer. Like as bad as Dominic Deegan was, as has been mentioned by myself and others, it was a story. A stupid story poorly told, but it was still a story. This comics is whatever you call the opposite of storytelling. And while Mookie was always making it up as he went along because he's basically doing the 'artistic' equivalent of masturbation and isn't concerned with any audience besides himself, it was very rarely as egregiously obvious in DD as it is now. He is absolutely worse at writing, and I think the biggest issue is that Mookie had zero passion for this story once it left Mongrel Town. Say what you will about DD, but Mookie wrote that story the same way a toddler makes diner, just tossing all of their favourite things onto a plate, then covering it in chocolate. This resulted in a damned mess, but it was a mess he liked making. There's nothing like that in Legacy, the story spends weeks if not months spinning its wheels before finally lurching forward a few inches. And nearly everything that does happen is purely related to the plot, there is virtually no world building, character moments that aren't someone being sad and getting a hug, or someone being angry and getting a stern look, or action. Like, have any of these characters ever just sat down and had a conversation? Because outside of Aurdak I have no idea why any of these characters are here. Snout is curious, but why, what is it about Dominic he finds so interesting? Ink Witch (I still love that's her official name now) is here because the Ink Witches are interested in the legacy, but why her specifically? Aw crap, I forgot vine ladies name, but why is she still tagging along, she got her....soul? back. Zereth posted:Pretty sure that wasn't her ship originally either. It absolutely wasn't or at least the ship had a completely different role, because it wasn't just a ship, because it could act independently and could even communicate. Now it's just the airship the party can summon. Pulsarcat fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Oct 31, 2021 |
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I gotta say this last arc not only shows off Mookies' laziness when comes too art, but also his laziness when it comes too storytelling. This arc is suppose too show how much Snout cares for his friends above the legacy, but it fails for so many reasons. These people feed and clothe him, provide him with shelter, they guide him by the hand through everything and hell, they're even his only ride out of this place. The last time he actually did anything was the very first arc when he retrieved the pages, even the cabin arc was mostly just him getting through effortlessly due too being deaf and then acting like a punching bag. So he brings nothing too the table, he's not strong, brave, skilled or clever. You can barely call him kind or generous, yeah being there for vine clone was nice and all, but the moment people starting paying attention too her he shut down until someone told him he was a good boy. And he's never sacrificed anything for anybody, and he has no personal stake in any of this beyond idle curiosity. He doesn't even try to talk to any of these people beyond stamping his feet every time someone gets mad. So at the end of the day he needs them far more than they need him. And this is what I mean by lazy storytelling, Mookie put zero time and effort into building up to this moment, and yet he shoved it in there on a whim in the middle of someone else's story. I hate using this term, but Snout is the very definition of a Mary Sue, he's an obvious self insert that the story and characters (Both the heroes and villains) warp around in order to hold him up as the best thing ever, and none of it is earned.
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I'm not too sure which is funnier too me. The fact that their Ink Jet went down hard like five minutes away from a city and no one came to investigate. Or the fact that this mystical lake...seer? lives like right next to a major port city. Seriously, where does she live? Does she live in town, does she own an upscale town house and only comes out here when it's time to shoot down a plane and vomit all over their books? Or does she live in a soggy lake cave despite there being a city right nearby, just like Snout does?
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Every orc parent tells their kids to stay away from the weird naked lady that lives on that stretch of the beach "Look, if you absolutely have to go to that beach, don't bring any reading material with you, trust me. Why? Lemme ask, have you ever seen a mother bird feed her babies?"
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I love how these heavy stone buildings are built right on the ground, which may be generic "ground" or even sand I can't tell from the lack of details, a couple of feet from the water. No foundation, nothing too hold back the water not even doors. These people must love having to mop the water out every day, then having to rebuild every time their house collapses.
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Okay, I finally realized what's been bugging me for a while now. Where are they carrying all their things? None of the have any bags, they must have things like money and food, and we know Snout has his diary, ink and brushes. Yet they all dress like they're headed across the street, not dressed for a long distance search which might require some actual walking and searching. I'm not saying they should be decked out like adventurers diving into a massive dungeon, but they should at least have some bags or pouches.
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Moola posted:I felt compelled to actually put something in Mookie's void canvas, I'm not a very good artist though and I got bored half way through It's actually funny that you drew that because I was thinking the same thing, a well established fishing town would have something like a wharf. the houses would be raised up above the water level on a stone foundation so it would not only protect them from the water, but allow them to build heavy buildings such as warehouses and ship yards near the water. It's yet another example of how bored Mookie is with this story, he created the world but has no interest in exploring it or asking questions about it. He doesn't ask "What would a fishing town look like in a fantasy world?" so he just draws stone houses practically on top of the water. He doesn't ask "How would someone who can manipulate ink so well she makes clothes and vehicles out of it carry her things?" so her stuff just vanishes until she needs it. It's why Snout, despite one of his characteristics being curiousity, never askes questions or explores anything. He has no interest in it because his creator has no interest in it. Pulsarcat fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Nov 6, 2021 |
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Dang, I used the wrong word, not the dealie that juts out into the water but the doohicky built along the shoreline. That said, I didn't notice just how drat tall that wharf is until you mentioned it, that's actually hilarious.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Just realized that "You're holding your friends back" would be an absolutely perfect way for seaweed orc to test Snout's resolve, holy poo poo yeah you're right. It also would allow Mookie to actually write some plot that would address (probably) one of the biggest criticisms people make about this poo poo. The other problem is it would require Mookie to realize that Snout actually is holding everyone back and that simply being "nice" isn't exactly a trait worthy of praise, it's the baseline. It would mean realizing that being kind and being nice aren't the same thing since it would require Snout actually go out of his way too help out others. It would mean realizing that being generous and being nice aren't the same thing since it would require Snout to actually sacrifice something more than like five minutes of his time. It would mean realizing that being gentle and being nice aren't the same thing since it would require Snout to show compassion and humility. But most of all, it would mean realizing that Snout is an awful protagonist whose only contribution too the group is occasionally stomping his foot when mom and dad fight. I can't look into Mookies soul or anything, but God drat this comic feels like it's written by someone who listens to his friends complain about their day and then praises himself because he's always there for them. Also I would like to add, it's hilarious that the Seaweed Seer apparently told the others things that hurt them and made them think hard about themselves and what they want. But the only thing she told our hero is that he's the goodest of the goodboys and gave him yet another opportunity to prove how nice he is with no effort required on his part. This entire drat comic has been a string of people giving Snout doting smiles while praising him. Pulsarcat fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Nov 7, 2021 |
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I love that Snout not only hasn't checked up on his friends, but he's spending their money on some hobby he wanted to try on a whim. In any other story this would be an example of the comic relief character messing up. *It's the end of act 2, the car the gang was driving has broken down. Our protagonist, Jim, has received some devestating news, the father he was traveling too meet, the father his mother told him died in the war, had actually walked out on Jim the day he was born. Enter "Big Fun" holding Jim's credit card* "Hey guys, guess who just signed us up for some Lazer Tag! Oh by the way Jim, your credit card is maxed out, you should really be more responsible with your money" It's awesome that Snout is the protagonist and only point of view character.
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Fister Roboto posted:Catching fish *just* for crop fertilizer seems a huge waste of time and energy, doesn't it? Like yeah, fish fertilizer has been a thing for millennia, but usually you eat the fish first and then use the leftover bones and guts as fertilizer. Otherwise you'd want to use manure which is much easier to come by. It's made worse by the fact that the only reason they are orcs to begin with is because they're his favorite D&D race or something. They didn't need to be orcs, it's a fantasy comic, they could have been anything. Like I don't know, a race of bird people that live along the side of a cliff and fish by diving down and snatching fish in their talons. They would have something both culturally and visually different at least. Which would be nice since his orcs are basically just humans with cute monster girl tusks. And honestly that would be fine if his orcs were remotely interesting.
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I honestly can't stop laughing at the fact this large town has a comically over sized wharf, dozens if not hundreds of fishing boats and a massive fishing culture. And all of it, all of it is so they can dump several tons of fish heads into their carrot gardens, and maybe sell what's left over to whatever non Orc settlement is nearby, but also not close enough too the lake to get their own damned fish. This is the kind of well thought out world building that lesser writers wish they could achieve.
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Tesseraction posted:Absolutely howling that "remembered for your kindness" Snout went on a loving jamboree and then eventually remembers to find something to cheer up his depressed companions and picks something poo poo. The best part too me is this isn't exactly what happened, or if this is what Mookie was going for he messed up. Look at the order of the panels, what should be happening is: Snout sees his friends are sad, imagines them being happy fishing together only for them to not respond when he offers to go fishing, showing just how depressed they actually are. What the comic actually shows however is Snout imagining them happily fishing, being caught off guard that they're sad, sheepishly offering to go anyways and acting defeated that they won't. This means that Snout didn't intend to cheer them up with fishing, he actually forgot that they were sad and got the rods for no other reason than he wanted to go fishing. And he still hasn't asked..ummm... Kaianda, what the seer said too her. I also had too look up her name, the story made a big deal out of it and never brought it up again.
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YF-23 posted:We are not at the point yet where mookie completely forgets what happened in the pages prior to this so there's no reason to treat this as stupidly as that. Snout went on a fun stroll for himself, thought fishing sounds cool and will cheer his friends up, and didn't realise their poo poo isn't the kind that gets fixed with childish playtime. Yeah, you're right, I'm getting to eager to find flaws in an already deeply flawed comic.
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It's still amazing that after nearly two and a half years this story still has no stakes, only one of the characters has any motivation that goes deeper than curiosity and the closest thing to an antagonist appeared for like two strips and accomplished nothing but erasing some dorks journal. Speaking of which, I still laugh at the fact that they literally just went home and left Snout laying on the street. I can't remember did they ever explain why they left him?
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The thing about Snout being incompetent is, how can he be anything else? Characters aren't just strong or cunning or intelligent or kind out of the box. They are shown to be these things by using their talents to overcome challenges. And that's kind of a problem, because outside of the first chapter, there are no challenges! Whoa, this Ink Witch seems kind of manipulative, maybe even abusive, better stay on your toes around her Snout! No wait, that was unintentional, she's here to be his mom. It Arudak! I bet he's up to something! No wait, he's fine the whole conflict between him and IW was because of a bad breakup in college or something, it's fine. Look out, it's the antagonists! Evil Ink Witch....and....this guy! And they totally beat down Snout and erased his diary, Snout's in trouble! No wait, they just gently caress off and leave him there, also erasing his diary had literally no consequences. But wait! Snouts companions are missing, I bet they're in trouble! No wait, they also just hosed off and left him there, this is hilarious. Gasp! a spooky cabin full of necro vines, Snout's gonna need all his wit and talent for.... No wait, they can't effect him because he's deaf, so they mostly just wiggle at him. Oh no, Snouts companions, the ones who ditched him, are like a million miles away, and the only way to get too them is to find a hidden portal and bypass its lock. This will require both survival skills and some understanding of symbols, both things Snout has a passion for, you can do it Snout! No wait, Mom and Dad just text him the password and he literally just walks in one direction until he trips over it. Oh Dear, vine lady is all messed up, in like her soul and stuff, this will require our heroes to go on one hell of a quest to heal her! No wait, some sunflower dork just shows up and fixes it.....whew..... Snout needs a special book and....he left his library card, somewhere? Look, I'll be honest with all of you, I barely read that arc, it was super boring. But it got resolved because the library has a policy that protagonists get whatever they want, which is the most Mookie thing ever. I don't understand why he's even writing this, or why I'm reading it. Nighthand posted:Ink witch needs a Long Rest in between casts of the Ink Ship. Wait, this, this is why I'm reading this!
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We can deny it all we want, but deep in all of our hearts we knew this moment was coming from the very beginning. It's too late to run, begging won't save us, there's nothing left to do but face the coming storm with courage and dignity. And if we don't make it through this, well, it's been both an honour and a privilege too shitpost along side the finest goons I have ever known.
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It took me a couple minutes too get it, but when I did I actually laughed out loud. This however made me sad again.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:That sounds the most likely. The first woman to overtly proposition Snout for sex instead of just cuddling being evil? Sounds right for Mookie! I would honestly prefer that the next page be consensual sex between a gross nincompoop and a horrible lake hag than yet other story where all the women are sexualized in some way but the overtly sexual ones are mocked or evil. Especially since Mookies' idea of pure and wholesome is creepy uninvited night time cuddling.
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"Learn the ethnicities of elves" huh? I wonder how much of that lesson is dedicated too racial slurs. Wait a minute, that orc at the bottom right, she looks familiar, oh no. Brace yourselves, storms a' coming!
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Wow, this is even more gross than I thought it would be. It's amazing, Mookie thinks this is sexy, a child like oaf and a nasty lake hag getting ready too have sex in the dirt after being bathed in the water found off the coast of a town with no water treatment. He could have spent a few strips having them talk, like adults, but nope! He just took Snout, someone who went from making faces in a window and playing with his toes, too childishly writing a letter about how much she hurt his friends, and shoved him straight into this. Just gross.
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On top of everything else that's been said, this is like the single most juvenile sex fantasy ever, it's something a literal preteen would write "Our hero runs into this totally hot chick Just roll with it this totally hot chick who's all naked and then she grabs his dick and they totally do it!" Mookie is a dude who has given us weeks of pointless travel montages and scenes of Snout being sad, but no scenes of romance or seduction. Like I dunno, I'm not a romance novelist, but like have her sitting on blanket next to a cozy campfire with a basket of, um, raw vegetables and take it from there. But nope, instead she's sitting naked in the dirt, possibly masturbating, and she just lunges for his dick. Now I'm not saying he should have done that, he shouldn't have done any of this. I'm just saying that even if you strip away all the lovely implications it's still a gross as hell sex scene with all the romance and passion of a truck stop bathroom that hasn't been cleaned in years.
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I just reread the library chapter, and you know what I realized? That it's a damned shame that Mookie never introduced an antagonist whose entire thing is she uses her powers to redact information regarding the legacy. He could have called her the...ummm, Eraser! And when Snout found the name J. Deegan he could have gone looking for books written by J. Deegan only to find that they are being redacted by The Eraser. He could have used this moment to introduce some much needed urgancy too Snouts' quest since now he's in a race against The Eraser for knowledge about the legacy. Hell, he could have even finally introduced some actual stakes to their quest, The Eraser has come up with a way to use the legacy to make herself incredibly powerful. But alas, he didn't so instead Mookie had no choice but have Snout read a bunch of RPG lore entries And then he was forced to not actually show why Snout didn't go looking for books written by J. Deegan, instead mentioning on twitter of all places that Snout asked off screen and the library just didn't have any of those books for some damned reason or another.
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This is Snout we're talking about here, so if the rest of the week is full blown sex he's going live blog that poo poo in his diary. And it's gonna be like one sentence of him just writing various onomatopoeia for grunting, followed by three tear stained pages of apologies.
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So many of the comics issues comes down too the fact that even after all these years Mookie still can't separate himself from his characters. The constant glom...errr, hugging, people being naked all the damned time, and of course the unasked for naked snuggling. These are things Mookie wants, so all of his characters want it too. And the same thing goes for this sex scene. He wants to have sex with an orc lady, Snout is the only perspective this comic follows, so Snout has sex with an orc lady. And that's it, the fact that it doesn't fit in with his characters or this story, or the fact it's really gross for a number of reasons doesn't matter at all. He wants to live vicariously through Snout and he'll trample over his own comic to achieve that.
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SubG posted:The Ink Witch, whose whole thing is doing magic with ink, doesn't like have a spell that can take the ink from one book and find other books written with the same ink. She doesn't, I dunno, cast a spell that makes the ink give up information about the person who wrote a manuscript. Or whatever the gently caress. Hey, you're being totally unfair to Ink Witch the Ink Witch and her magical Ink Witch powers! Remember that time she spoke too Snout through a piece of paper and used it too find other pages? I mean sure, this didn't add anything and if anything robbed the story of a chance to show why Snout and Ink work well together and in fact made her come across as manipulative, but it was a spell that she cast! Or how her dress is actually made out of ink, I mean, that's kind of cool, I guess. She hasn't actually done anything interesting with it, like make a disguise out of it, and at one point she takes it off like a regular dress which makes me wonder if Mookie sometimes forgets it's supposed to be ink, but it's there! Oh, and she can make ink drip readings. Which she used to solve the incredible challenge of "How will our heroes make ten mongrel bucks" and then was never really used again. But you can't expect someone writing a story centered around the worlds most powerful seer to be able to come up with a way to make readings compelling. Oh, and then there's her ink jet. It blew up an idiots house, which makes no sense from what we've seen of it later, which strongly suggest it was never meant to be an Ink spell until much later. And it crashed in a lake, that was exciting, or, it would have been if anyone had been hurt, or if this wasn't where that they wanted to go anyways which means it could have just landed there and nothing would have changed. But, it could have been exciting! So yeah, she probably has dozens of interesting ways to use her magic, and I'm sure we'll see one of these ways any minute now.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Someone in this thread mentioned it before I think but you brought it up again so it's bothering me again. The book by Prento said that visions don't exist anymore for some reason. If people can't see the future anymore then what do ink drop readings actually do? Is it just like TV psychics who just make vague claims that could apply to anyone? Is it just completely made up, like fortune cookies? I think in that specific case it's supposed to be like a fortune teller at a carnival, someone you pay purely for the entertainment value. It's honestly hard for me to tell what the rules of this worlds magic are supposed to be exactly. Like visions may not exist anymore, but can people still use other methods to predict the future in some vague way? It's absolutely incredible how this comic has been updating three times a week for close to two and a half years now and so little about anything has been explained or shown. Nighthand posted:This just convinced me that it was always supposed to be an ink spell, because "ink jet" as a pun relating a printer and a flying machine is exactly the kind of bad pun mookie loves. I dunno, I think if that was intentional someone would have written the words "Ink Jet" in Snouts diary causing Snout to spend the final panel mugging for the camera.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The one thing nobody predicted is that Terracianno would do a porn scene without any hint of an orgasm. Snout just sticks it in, she’s like “wow that was really good”, and they fall asleep. One of his tweets was posted earlier that said there was an additional page on his patreon, so that may be where he stuck the orgasm strip. Which means one of you dorks needs to give him money and then post it. This way I get to performatively tut tut you in public, while privately I'll be glad to have an additional terrible page to mock. It's a win-win situation, for me! Note: Please do not actually do this.
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You know, in a better comic, showing symbols in an innocuous manner, only too reveal later that they are in fact deeply important could actually be really fun. Have something big happen when they show up, moments where the story shifts gears or characters change and grow in a major way, stuff like that. That way your audience is constantly on the lookout for them, and discussing what they mean and predicting what will happen when they show up. But it's been like two years since they were shown, and two of them keep popping up all over the place and nothing has happened. It's like Mookie is desperately foreshadowing some vague plot idea he has, but has no clue how the hell he's going to get too it. Also the challenge symbol is hilarious, the biggest challenge Snout has faced is the time he felt useless, and he overcame this by moping around until someone gave him a pat on the head and called him a good boy. Or his other biggest challenge, where someone called him useless and he overcame this by moping around until someone gave him a pat on the head and called him a good boy. Though I have to say "You will be remembered more for your kindness than your learning" is one of the best stealth burns ever.
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I wonder if the reason Mookie hasn't had Snout have sex with IW or Kaianda is because they're main characters while orc lady isn't. Because the thing is, the character relationships in this comic suck, I have no idea why any of them are together. Almost all the dialogue is exposition, we pretty much never see them interact with each other. So if Snout had sex with one of them, Mookie might actually have to write a relationship of some kind. But with her, he can get his sex scene, throw some symbols in after to act like it had a plot purpose, and then never revisit this character again. Which means he can go back to writing his comfy challenge free group where nothing needs to be resolved beyond someone patting Snout on the head and calling him a good boy, or Snout stomping his feet because mom and dad had a fight.
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I wasn't too sure if I believed that Mookie would go out and read criticism and then alter his comic in response, since he practically melts in the face of the lightest push back. But I can't explain this any other way. Snout up until now has been treated as a child, literally wrote down about how this cuddling stuff rules like he's never done if before and had no response too naked women. But now he's suddenly talking about loving and how this always happens when he's horny, like, I honestly can't think of why Mookie would write this as anything other than a response too people saying that this is creepy because of how child like Snout is.
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Dec 7, 2021 02:16
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MiracleFlare posted:That's how I read it too. And to be fair, if this were any other writer I'd accept why they would want to assert that their character is an adult with full autonomy. irl a lot of disabled adults have to deal with being infantalized and desexualized. Of course Snout being deaf has nothing to do with his abhorrent personality (aside from the time Bad Orc said it made him helpless, which... Snout sort of is, independent of any disability) and I don't believe anyone in this thread was suggesting it did. But I can see why someone might still be comfortable with him being called a child and want to set the record straight. This is something I could understand, like maybe a writer can see that their character is coming across as overly childish and wants to fix that perception. But another writer might have Snout talk to Orc lady about how he's tired of all his friends treating him like a kid, mentioning that he's in his late twenties, early thirties or whatever and then reminding the audience that he's survived on his own for years. And then maybe slide into some flirting and a one night stand. But here Snout just leaps in like an overly eager teenager and then says a swear. Which is just another kind of immature. I'll say one thing though, the comic isn't boring anymore. quote:Y'know, I could maybe buy the idea that Snout knows he makes stupid decisions when horny, and that he's fine with casual hookups but afraid of screwing up his friendships with IW/Kaianda and that's why he's strictly platonic with them. These are pretty common tropes, and Mookie loves tropes. Thing is, there's been almost nothing in the past to suggest Snout is having the kind of internal conflict this would cause! At most he's been uncomfortable with people crawling into his bed, and until now the easy assumption is that he was, understandably, uncomfortable with having his personal space violated. But even the fully consensual snuggling hasn't had any implication that Snout has conflicted feelings about sexuality and intimacy. So again, it feels like a retcon of his past behavior. The thing is, there is an explanation for why he didn't act this way around them. With IW she's never shown any overt attraction to him, instead she sleep snuggles and pats him on the head. And Kaianda is having all sorts of issues and she relies on Snout, so making any sort of sexual advance on her would be gross as hell. But Snout's feelings on the matter are never discussed because he's too busy providing us with recaps and playing with his toes.
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Dec 7, 2021 05:12
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It's amazing, the dream has Snout held down by vines in the water, it would have been so easy to have his friends pull him out. Instead he, lucid dreams?, the vines away and makes it too the surface himself and then dreams a bunch of symbols. So Mookie hastily draws a scene of Snout going "Wow, that dream totally made me remember my friends and how much they help me!" Just amazing. Pulsarcat fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Dec 8, 2021 |
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Pyrotoad posted:What could've also been cool was it being ambiguous if they were helping to pull him out or hold him under, so it would've been left up to him to decide which the vision meant and him choosing to trust his life to his friends would've been a tad more meaningful. That actually would have been much better. It ties into the idea that dreams are meant to be interpreted rather than provide answers. Him choosing to trust his friends even when presented with an ambiguous situation would establish his character far more than the constant recaps and exposition of him writing in his dairy. And it's even consistent with his earlier decisions, such as trusting IW despite her being sketchy and even manipulative. It's literally everything this current storyline isn't. Rotten Red Rod posted:Also lol at Mookie's waffling on weather the bog hag's magic sex caused the lucid dreaming or not. You were more "relaxed" because you hosed? Sure, Ok buddy. Wait hold on, if I remember right Snout had some powerful dreams while sleeping with IW, and it was assumed it was because he was sleeping near her. So it might have been because of the cuddling itself? Like the more powerful the sex he has the more powerful his dream magic? Because if so the implications for future storylines are staggering. Pulsarcat fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Dec 8, 2021 |
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