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Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009

frgildan posted:

They didn't do it. It was a side effect of compound V. So superheroes that died kind of popped back up with major brain damage from the oxygen deprivation and what not.

That happened with Blarneycock but I thought Lamplighter and the storm parody from the G-men both got shot up with v post mortem to (kinda) bring them back.

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Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009

Zaphod42 posted:

I mean... its gonna be her daughter, right? seems like the obvious answer? doesn't require fancy cloning, she just looks the same as her mom who was an early supe and so her daughter got the V too and is also a racist supe? So the one lady confuses them as being the same because she looks like how her mom did 40 years ago

This episode was pretty good, mostly because there was lots of MM and MM is amazing. The whole "lets go talk to an old superhero" felt very Watchmen though.

I could see them doing clone stuff just because in the comics there's some clone stuff involved with Stormfront. That might be kind of cheesy though. It does seem like they kinda came out with the reveal that she's Liberty a little early in the season, I also feel like theres something else going on. Her comment about changing with the times could just be a red herring.

Beef Stew fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Sep 11, 2020

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009
I wonder how awkward that conversation between Homelander and Doppleganger to set that arrangement up must have gone. I feel a little guilty just asking my friends to help me move.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Yeah, there's no way we're going to get a "Herogasm" in this show.

The creator actually at least wants to something like it for season 3, or at least he did in 2019.

https://www.cbr.com/the-boys-herogasm-season-3/

If it's only going to be a single episode though, sounds like it might be alot more toned down then the comics, where it was like it's own mini-arc spanning multiple issues.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009
MM was always the coolest of the Boys, as proven by him making those goofy rear end over the top glasses look cool as hell. Also, being from Oakland originally, I really appreciate his People's Food Program shirts.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009

Nuebot posted:

I really hope they get more into his backstory because despite a few issues, I always did like the thing with his dad and I would have much rather read a mini series about him than basically any of the mini series we actually got for those comics.

I definitely agree, I hope the show goes more into it. I'd honestly be shocked if they didn't, although it might not be this season. I am kind of glad the comics didn't though, because while he was still interesting (and my favorite member of the team) MM's personal story was such disgusting over the top edgy bullshit in the comics it might be better we didn't get more.

The poo poo with MMs crack addicted ex wife pimping out their twelve year old daughter to star in porn (because she has matured physically incredibly quickly and looks like an adult due to the compound V in her blood stream) struck me as a really gross and transparent attempt to be shocking even when I first read this as a kid. And I was a stupid tween boy with stereotypically bad tween boy taste who thought grimdark and edgy automatically meant mature and adult.

Beef Stew fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Sep 14, 2020

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009

Nuebot posted:

Oh, yeah, literally every other facet of MM's story is god awful, even the stuff involving his mother outside of the flashback where he talks about his dad. But the scene with his dad was mostly good, at least.

Yeah, totally. I feel like theres the skeleton of a good story and alot of really cool ideas and characters in the comic, as the show is proving. Ennis just dumped so much unnecessary rape and grotesque brutality that it's an unpleasant chore to slog through alot of the time.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009
Hahahaha holy gently caress Homelander really is just Dennis with super powers, complete with literal narcissistic auto fellatio. That's both hillarious and terrifying.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009
Yeah lol what exactly is Homelander's lifestyle besides flying all over the world just doing whatever he feels like at any given moment and sadistically torturing whatever human has the misfortune of capturing his attention that particular day? I also don't see what anyone could relate to there.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009
Yeah she was the VP of the entire super hero department and saw her next promotion as being CEO.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009

Phenotype posted:

It's kind of an interesting question, at least in Homelander's case. No one's going to say you can't consent to sex with The Rock because he's bigger and stronger than you, but then we live in a society and there are systems that can theoretically protect you if The Rock tries to threaten you into consent. With Homelander, there is basically no possible way to stop him if he feels like doing something awful. It's like the boat episode of Always Sunny -- sure these girls could say no, but y'know, we're out here at sea, no one's around to help them, things could turn really ugly all of a sudden, so they're not gonna say no because of The Implication.

Homelander basically spends his entire life on a boat, in that sense.


With Homelander specifically there are some insanely hosed up power dynamics. He is a sadistic sociopath that maims and murders on a whim and is utterly broken emotionally when it comes to intimacy. He murdered a guy just for talking to Maeve. I feel like it's totally different with your "average" supe. Who yeah, could theoretically kill their partner about as easily, but because they don't impulsively commit gratuitous acts of violence over the smallest emotional slights, their partners never feel threatened and they have no issues with consent or coercion. Like Annie and Hughie or Maeve and her girlfriend.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009

Phenotype posted:

I don't disagree, but the power dynamics I'm talking about don't have anything to do with the personalities involved. Sure, Starlight or Maeve could murder their partners, but they'd send other supes after them and throw them in No Lunch Supermax or something -- there would be consequences for their actions, so it's not much different than any normal human having to obey the law. But there are no real consequences for pretty much anything Homelander does, because they don't have any way to enforce them. Even if he actually was the friendly All-American hero he's impersonating, there'd still be The Implication, because he can do anything he wants and no one can stop him.

Ahh ok I see what you are saying. That's definitely true as well, there's literally no way he could even be theoretically held accountable for anything he does and everyone knows that.

To change the subject slightly, I wonder if Homelander really does think he's totally untouchable though. Like virtually indestructible, sure, but he seems like a pretty intelligent guy. Definitely moreso then his comics counterpart. I wonder if the thought hasn't crossed his mind that it would be pretty uncharacteristic of Vought, who seem to be very good at covering their asses and seem to have a contingency plan for every disaster, not to have some kind of emergency option in case their most dangerous and valuable investment goes rogue.

I know he's been kept partially in line up until this point because he enjoys the status quo and being a rock star loved by millions, but I wonder if the idea that Vought might have a way to deal with him if he goes too far might not also be somewhere in the back of his mind.

Then again he is a total narcissist that's probably never even experienced physical pain, and he seemed to have no issue attempting to physically intimidate the literal CEO. So probably not.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Now that's a take I haven't seen before.

I'm pretty sure he's right. She's smiling and her exact words are "Now laser my tits" and she's got a burn scar in that exact spot already. It does seem like some kinda hosed up sex thing.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009
Whoever it was that said earlier that the cult Deep is joining is going to go from a joke to a serious threat at some point I think that that's basically confirmed by Stormfront having been part of it. I feel like she's not the type to get sucked in by a scientology type scam, so maybe there's some scary supe supremacy/world domination stuff only the initiated are privy to. I can't see what else would would see her joining up with a group like that. Then again, seems like there's definitely non supe members as well, so who knows.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009
Im really glad the guy that lost his dick to the unnamed ice supe is still around. I don't know why but I find his scenes with the other costume/ make up dude really funny every time.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009

Asgerd posted:

Am I misremembering or was the face-ripping scene taken wholesale from the comics? I think it might have been Kimiko’s original introduction moment?

(I still can’t believe that actor is Glimmer from She-Ra. Maybe it would be more obvious if she ever spoke...)

Yeah its like almost her signature move, she does it in almost every fight she's involved in. I believe the first time you meet her is essentially that scene but more gruesome. Her killing mob guys and faces and body parts getting ripped off and thrown around.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009

radmonger posted:


The other thing is that Compound V was actually developed by Nazi scientists. Which has the unfortunate implication that in the Boys universe, Nazi racial science is demonstrably proven to be correct. Compound V is _vril_, the mystical bio-essence that, in Nazi racial science, made one race superior to another.

Hence it is also an unfortunate implication that the main black character, on receiving a high artificial dose, has adverse health effects. Wheras pure Aryan stock gets extended lifespan, maybe immortality.

So I guess we don't really know exactly the deal with Stormfront is, but from what we saw with Popclaw and A train it seems like if you are already a supe injecting V is more like dosing up with some kind of amphetamine that also amplifies your superpower, but only temporarily. Presumably Popclaw was having side effects as well, she definitely gave off at unhealthy junkie vibe at times and I'm pretty sure that was intentional.

Edit: lol when I say "we don't know what's up with" I mean as to how exactly she got her powers and if she was ever re dosed or something like that. Just to be clear.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009
Yeah the Deep actually seems like an ok guy in the comics funnily enough. He's the only guy on the team not to sexually assault starlight. I actually don't think we ever once see him commit any crimes or hurt anyone.

I guess he kinda helps contribute to the gently caress up that is the 7 trying to stop 9/11, but that's on Vought for sending him, and it's not like he straight up abandons the plane like homelander does.

Beef Stew fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Sep 21, 2020

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009
Holy poo poo that was an awesome episode. Loved the Love Sausage bit, even if it was incredibly gross and silly. Im surprised MM didn't freak out more honestly, considering how OCD he is about hygiene.

Also I wonder how powerful that supe we saw hitch hiking at the end is. Lamplighter seemed terrified of her, and even though stormfront incapacitated her she didn't seem to have any long term injuries. I wonder what effect her powers would have on someone like stormfront or homelander, since they almost certainly wouldn't just vaporize them.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009

Hulk Krogan posted:

It doesn't make much sense for Vought to have successfully given her compound V as an adult though, does it? Homelander was basically grown in a lab, all the other supes were dosed as children, and Stormfront is running an entire secret facility where they're trying to figure out how to give V to adults successfully. None of that really makes any sense if Vought had it figured out from the jump.

So either that's a plot hole or Vought groomed Stormfront from infancy in more ways than one. Yikes.

Well I think they never said that it doesn't work at all on adults. That's how all those terrorists got super powers after all. It's just unreliable and more likely to kill you then give you super powers. She does say she was the first successful test subject, not the first test subject period. I bet there were alot of misfires both before and after her, until they found out it was more consistent when given to babies.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009
Was that it? I remember reading somewhere that his French is so bad in the comics because he's probably not actually French. His backstory is full of crazy poo poo that doesn't make any sense, thinking he's French could just be another delusion.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009
Edgar absolutely believes in a master race as well, it's just determined by money instead of skin color. I bet his end goal is remarkably similar to hers, with the world being ruled by a group of immortal demigods in some form or another.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009

Keltar posted:

"Bad product"

I wish we had gotten that version of Stillwell, Homelander couldn't phase him in the slightest.

For a while I thought that's where they were going with Gus but Homelander already had a scene where he kind of told him to go gently caress himself so probably not.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009
Yeah I can't see this working out well for Vought regardless of how they play this. The super terrorists were a totally different situation, especially when you could convincingly lie to people that you had the best weapons for fighting them. But some of Vought's best, including three members of the seven, were at the scene when this attack occurred and they were completely loving useless. I don't see how you spin that. Your single most powerful hero was there before poo poo even went down and it made no difference, how do you convince the public your guys are going to keep them safe when the whole country watched them fail miserably.

Beef Stew fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Oct 4, 2020

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009
Does Cindy kill one more than guard? Because I don't think we get a close up on the body of the guard that shot her in the back, and just rewatching the scene it definitely looks like there could be blood coming from his torso and not just his head, but it's difficult to tell.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009
Is Dear Becky worth checking out, assuming I could borrow the series from a friend for free? Im kind of tempted to, just to see how he even wrote a sequel. The ending didn't really leave many unanswered questions.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009

Thundercracker posted:

Storefront is not gonna get killed this season if the writers are anywhere competent. Joffrey showed a great villian can carry a series just as much as a great protagonist.

Also everything she has done has worked out pretty well for her this season, so you gotta imagine next season is when her and Homelander will really start to lose it and things will go downhill for them. They've done a good job making you hate Stormfront and I'm really looking forward to seeing her plans for a racist super utopia fall apart.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009

Blaise330 posted:

I like the comics where Huey is severely pissed at Annie for getting raped before she even met him to the point where he can't even stomach looking at her face. She has to track him down to his home country to apologize to him.

Holy poo poo, I always thought Butcher had intentionally taken a portion of the tape out of context and lied to gently caress with Hughie and turn him against Starlight. Which is still terrible and dumb but it's somehow worse that the main character, who is supposed to be a genuinely good guy we identify with and root for, sees his girlfriend get sexually assaulted and immediately defaults to blaming her.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009
I just started Banshee and it loving owns but it's even worse then Thrones with the non stop gratuitous nudity and sex. Anthony Starr still kicks rear end though.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009
I know at this point the comics aren't a great source of canon info, especially for minutia like how a specific supe's powers work, but there's a character with similar powers who essentially manipulates air pressure to explode people. I always thought that certain particularly powerful supes like Maeve or Homelander may just be too durable for her to create enough pressure to explode them. But who knows.

Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009

thebardyspoon posted:

One of my friends really likes the comic series and it's pretty funny seeing his hope that eventually the show will pivot more towards adapting it fully diminish more and more each season. He's not watched Gen V yet but he was convinced it was gonna be adapting the X-Men pastiche (is that the right word for what the Boys did to specific heroes/teams?) where the Prof X equivalent is a nonce and such and it was basically going to be all about that. Similarly he's spent the last 2 seasons of regular Boys expecting the Iron Man equivalent to show up. It's really odd because even in Season 1 things were so different from the comics that it was clearly never gonna be a full adaptation (and I think it is all the better for it, the comic mostly repulsed me).

Your friend has bad opinions lol. As disappointing as this was compared to the main series, it was infinitely better than "What if X-men but rape".

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Beef Stew
Dec 27, 2009
Maybe I'm remember it wrong but I could've sworn that homelander gets killed by Black Noir in the White House after the clone reveal, and that afterwards Butcher shows up and kills Black Noir who is very heavily injured and can't fight back.

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