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Great show. Homelander's body language is perfect, especially during the plane scene. He just looks so disinterested, like he's casually looking around even while Maeve scrambles to do something. The fact that he almost always relies on his laser eyes rather than mixing it up just reinforces it. He's not interested in showing off or testing his powers, so why even move if he doesn't have to? For what it's worth I think Homelander having sex with Butcher's wife will turn out to either be consensual or not actually him. Using the rape of a partner as a cheap motivational tool for the protagonist and way to make the villain more reprehensible has been done to death, and it's pretty misogynistic too. Given how the show is trying to separate itself from the comics I'd be surprised if they went down that route. Honestly the idea that Homelander now views Becka, Butcher, his kid and himself as one big hosed-up family could be really interesting. And what does show Homelander actually have to fear from this Butcher? He has no incriminating leverage like in the comics, and he's not even on Compound V. Why would he see him as a threat? Butcher finding out he had his entire backstory wrong and then getting treated like a brother by his nemesis would certainly be a twist on the comic version.
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Red Oktober posted:“Not you Black Noir. You’re great!” was a brilliant, if chilling, moment. They needed some way of showing she'd just had sex though, otherwise she could've just been talking to Homelander for three hours. My random guess: Vought dosed Becca with Compound V, either to allow her to have sex with Homelander in the first place or after she became pregnant so she could survive the birth. Against the odds she survived and she's now a supe, which is why she couldn't go back to Butcher. Butcher's new motivation becomes destroying Vought and the Compound V because the promise of fame and superpowers is obviously too much temptation for humans to resist.
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Aug 15, 2019 11:17
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Doltos posted:The gill-fingering was weird since it was him being sexually assaulted as revenge porn for him forcing himself on Annie. I'm all for punishing rapists but not with more rape I was just confused why he didn't tell the woman to get the gently caress off him and get out. If it was meant to parallel him and Starlight it did a bad job. Part of me wonders if the plan was for the woman to threaten some kind of false accusation if he didn't go with it, in which case I'm glad they cut it but they probably should have just cut the whole scene. His life falling apart was good enough schadenfreude without heavy-handed role reversal.
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Aug 15, 2019 23:01
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Panfilo posted:He didn't resist because she threatened to say he assaulted her, and in light of what he did to Starlight they would take it at face value and his career would be over. The whole reason he was in Sandusky was to keep him out of the way, they didn't want to deal with more PR disasters. Ah, must have missed that line when I was cringing so hard. It's a shame really, it's uncool of the show to depict woman throwing around false rape accusations after they handled the stuff with Starlight pretty well.
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Aug 16, 2019 18:48
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Maybe it's just me, but I feel like Stormfront being 70+ years old and maybe an actual WWII-era Nazi lessons the impact of her character a bit. There are tons of 30-year-old racists. Making her old feels a bit like it invokes the "product of her time" defence, like someone's racist Grandma that gets cut some slack because 'things were different back then'. Or it could be seen as presenting her kind of racism as something literally from a different era rather than something that's still endemic today. I'd have made her a modern-day white supremacist instead of Captain Nazi from The Past, seems like it would've made her character hit home a bit more. Having said that, the acting continues to be good. Homelander in particular is killing it with the facial expressions.
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Sep 20, 2020 02:03
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Hulk Krogan posted:Yeah, based on that Kripke quote that someone posted earlier about old evil in a new packaging, I think her being an actual Nazi who puts on a new face and tries to win over/recruit the youth with memes and live streams is...actually pretty on point. So far she's not tried to win anybody over to racism/white supremacy though. The meme stuff has just been about building herself up and bashing Vought. Maybe it's gonna come later, but I still think having to apply suspension-of-disbelief over her being from the past diminishes the impact of her ideology. The old-evil/new-face thing makes sense, but it gets a bit cartoony when you're talking about an actual time-shifted Nazi with eagles and SS earrings. She feels out of place, when for most impact a racist character should feel uncomfortably not out of place. My favorite scene though, despite it being a cocktease, is Homelander lasering the crowd. The look of pure joy on his face when he's finally able to cut loose with his powers and shut up his critics, followed immediately by almost childlike terror when he realises he's done something he can never take back. Accretionist posted:Makes her feel bigger to me. Eh, it works with an allegorical semi-hallucinatory character but Stormfront is meant to be a real person. It makes her racism seem borrowed from the past rather than a problem of today. jabby fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Sep 20, 2020 |
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Sep 20, 2020 02:36
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Keltar posted:It suits the times we live in, what happened with Germany and the Nazi's is so very close to what's going on with Trump and what he's been doing for the last several few years. When you know your history and you look at the parallels it really becomes troubling. Mainly because no matter what name you associate with it there is a lot of hate, venom and poison behind those causes that would see people dead and corrupt the very foundations of society itself twisting into something horrible capable of the worse crimes while justifying it. The name may change but the truth of the hatred behind it remains. Nazi. KKK. White Nationalist. It's all the same in the end. Those that cry *country here FIRST* tend to repeat the same words and patterns throughout history. That's kinda my point. She didn't need to actually grow up during WWII to be a racist, and we don't need an actual historical Nazi to spread racism in our current time. It's all happening now, without the need for suspension of disbelief. "People like Stormfront" is exactly it. There are no people like her, because she's a time-travelling 40's Nazi. Make her a common racist and there's plenty of people like her. jabby fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Sep 20, 2020 |
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Sep 20, 2020 02:54
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Bedshaped posted:I want for Antony Starr's muscle suit to also be Homelander's muscle suit. Never made sense why someone who could walk unperturbed through solid steel needs big guns. It'd made perfect sense in-universe. His strength is obviously not based on his muscle size. He can't lift weights or whatever because of his powers, and he's too lazy to want to anyway. He avoids effort to the point where even in his day-job he barely uses his super-strength in favour of just lasering everything in his way. It'd be pretty fitting for him to actually have an ordinary-looking body under a bunch of fake muscles. ptkfvk posted:i really want a "I live in a world of cardboard" moment from HL Durzel posted:On that note it'll be interesting to see the limits of Homelander's power. Obviously his emotional state is his main weakness, but given we know he can attenuate his laser eyes (warming up the milk) I wonder if he's held back up until now, even with Stormfront. Homelander has some serious World of Cardboard going on. Literally the happiest he's looked in the whole show is his fantasy when he cuts loose on the crowd of protesters. He radiates tension constantly because he can never lose control for even a split second or he'll destroy everything he has. Even as a kid (at least in the comics) Vought literally strapped him to a nuclear bomb intended to blow up him and the entire facility if he ever lost his temper. All of which explains why he's so thrilled to have Stormfront who he can knock around without turning into chunky salsa. Although I'm pretty sure he was still holding back, the laser beams he hits her with look a lot less intense than some of his blasts. They looked more like the ones he used to kill Stillwell. So I think Stormfront would still be in a lot of trouble if he were trying to hurt her.
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Sep 20, 2020 17:15
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massive spider posted:The world of cardboard bit doesn't work with HL because the point of it with Superman is that it's supposed to be an expression of his virtue that he holds back despite having all that power. Its exceptional because he's humble so there are so few moments it's acknowledged. Wheras HL is constantly "I live in a world of cardboard lol" Homelander is 100% world of cardboard. He doesn't hold back out of any kind of virtue though, he holds back because he knows cutting loose will destroy everything he has. He desperately wants to take over Vought and toss Edgar out a window, but he can't. He wanted (prior to last episode) cut Stormfront in half for mocking him, but he couldn't. He wants to cut down the people protesting him like the insects they are but he can't. That's his whole character, he desperately wants everyone to love him but nobody does because they're all afraid of him. He has this incredible Godlike power but he can't actually use it against any of his enemies because he'd instantly become a pariah all around the globe. That's why he's so incredibly happy when he's lasering people in his fantasy, and utterly terrified and crushed the second later when he realises what the consequences would be.
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Sep 20, 2020 18:03
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Bioshuffle posted:I was confused about that also. It looked like he was just pushing some stuff with telekinesis and he gets murdered instantly. Is Homelander just going around murdering people who got a copy of Compound V that he was passing around then covering it up as him killing a supe terrorist? It's not a cover-up as such, it's exactly what he planned. Give some scary Middle-Eastern people powers, kill them, receive plaudits. Obviously if they intend to use those powers against America it makes it easier to brand the a super-terrorist, but it's not a requirement. America is the only country allowed to have super-heroes, the guy in the video is a super-terrorist just by virtue of existing and not being American. Obviously any real-life parallels involving America carelessly dispersing weapons in the middle-east, America creating it's own enemies in order to justify foreign and domestic policy, America branding anybody with any power they don't control a terrorist, or America declaring itself the only country allowed to possess certain types of weapon is purely coincidental.
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Sep 20, 2020 18:13
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radmonger posted:One thing that’s either a plot hole or some unexplained word building is how did the media go from ‘someone just anonymously sent us a phial of glowing blue liquid’ to ‘superpowers are caused by Compound V?’ It’s not like they are going to hold back their scoop until they have injected it into babies and see if they developed powers. The way I imagined it Starlight just contacted a journalist, proved that she's actually Starlight, spilled her guts and handed over the V. Then all the journalist needs to do is call Vought and say "here is what I know, I have this tangible proof, my source is very reliable, what say you?" That's when Edgar is offered the options of deny or explain, and Vought chooses to confirm the story rather than risk being trapped by a lie. radmonger posted:The other thing is that Compound V was actually developed by Nazi scientists. Which has the unfortunate implication that in the Boys universe, Nazi racial science is demonstrably proven to be correct. Compound V is _vril_, the mystical bio-essence that, in Nazi racial science, made one race superior to another. The comics go into more detail, but it's basically the difference between someone given the V as an adult or when they're still developing. In the comics any normal human can inject compound V and develop a mild degree of superpowers. Enhanced durability, quicker healing, mild super-strength. Enough to fight an average superhero without getting killed in one blow. Actual "supes" on the other hand get given V as children/babies, and develop various random powers that (assuming they don't kill them) tend to be pretty strong. Homelander is the result of injecting V into a developing fetus, which is why he's the strongest and most powerful hero bar none. jabby fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Sep 20, 2020 |
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Sep 20, 2020 20:06
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sliami posted:billy butcher planned to kill the kid Nah, he was just going to abandon him for Vought to take back. There's no way the kid ends up liking Homelander though. He threw him off a roof and knocked him unconscious.
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Sep 21, 2020 14:57
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BIG HEADLINE posted:He doesn't need to *like* his father to use him as leverage over his mother to get what he wants. We're talking about a teenager here. I dunno, I get more of a mummy's boy vibe than a rebellious teen. He seems more like he'd do anything to protect her rather than try to manipulate her. spacetoaster posted:How far off from the comic have they gone with HL's kid? HL didn't have a kid in the comic, unless you count the super-fetus that Butcher clubbed to death (and that wasn't really his). A lot of HL's personality problems are implied to be from lacking a normal childhood though. The show makes it even more obvious with the whole breastfeeding obsession. So his kid probably does stand a chance at being better adjusted. ^^ Beaten on the comic reference, although I'll point out the baby was actually Black Noir's
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Sep 21, 2020 15:09
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BIG HEADLINE posted:You mean kind of like *Homelander* with Stillwell? I thought Homelander didn't know he had a son? I don't think he 'kept Becca alive' out of any twisted desire to torture her. And despite HL Jr being a child of rape she does want to take care of him, or at least keep him safe/stop him becoming a monster. That's why she turns down the chance to escape with Butcher. Killing herself in front of her son wasn't her idea of "ultimate revenge", it was the only thing she could think of to make sure he didn't end up falling in with his dad. Asgerd posted:I feel like Becca has more leverage than she's being given credit for, at least with Vought, since she's the only person with any control over Ryan - they can't really risk killing her or take her away from him, simply because of the high chance of driving the second most powerful being on the planet into a vengeful rampage (or at least giving him a massive grudge) and the only one who could conceivably stop him is Homelander, who is borderline-uncontrollable at the best of times and completely unreliable as a failsafe. I'd be very surprised if her house isn't rigged with massive amounts of explosive or even a nuke. It's basically the same deal as when they were raising Homelander, just with a thin veneer of normality this time.
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Sep 21, 2020 19:41
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He can control the intensity of his laser eyes, not make the beams stop at some arbitrary point. If he's trying to be precise we've seen him warm milk, melt a gun, etc. The simple explanation for the cockpit is he reacted out of instinct when he saw the pilot get shot, and he's just sloppy at what he does because he's had no training. The lifting the plane thing, he implies he can't actually push against anything when he's flying because there's nothing to push off against, which does kinda make sense. It's not like he can lift the plane with his super-strength, he'd be relying on whatever mysterious force he uses to fly which might only generate enough power to lift his own body. I don't think he intentionally let anybody die. He definitely didn't in the comic, the scene is meant to show that superpowers are impractical for most things and without training the supes just blunder into situations and make them worse.
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Sep 22, 2020 00:42
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Romes128 posted:Having one of your main characters murder a baby isn’t a good look. Butcher literally tried to by detonating the bomb. And he's the protagonist.
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Sep 22, 2020 01:31
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spacetoaster posted:If you guys were Vought. And you knew you had a psychotic ticking time bomb like Homelander. How would you mitigate his threat? Right now it looks like the corporation is just trying to control him using psychological methods, but I wonder what else they might have? What would a real-life corporation in Vought's position have on standby? A) A highly-trained team of heroes, with the best weapons and equipment, waiting for the order (which may never come) to take down Homelander (which they may not be able to do). B) A carefully-worded press statement disavowing Vought Inc. from the disgraceful actions of a former employee, and a note to the US military saying "he's your problem now, love Vought".
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Sep 22, 2020 13:31
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That Italian Guy posted:The sequence from the comic is quite good - and shows how little the Seven (or supes in general) are prepared to deal with a real crisis. It starts with a good opening: Yeah I think show Homelander's motivation is basically the same - he doesn't want anyone to die, he just can't figure out a way to save them. The tone is very different though, the comic shows the Heroes more as well-intentioned but panicky, selfish gently caress-ups while in the show they come across as way more jaded from the start. Although I think in the comics the public knew The Seven were on the plane, while in the TV show they didn't? Which would explain why comic Homelander is desperate enough to try flying at the plane - he thinks his image will be ruined if he lets it crash, whereas TV Homelander knows he can just leave and nobody will know they were there. jabby fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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Sep 22, 2020 13:58
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Bioshuffle posted:I disagree. I'm talking specifically about the plane "rescue", not the comic in general. The comic makes it obvious they're trying to help, whereas some people thought TV Homelander was just too lazy/actually wanted the plane to crash. He's definitely more calculating given he explicitly refuses to save anyone if it might make him look less than perfect. Azhais posted:As if Homelander doesn't sunbathe nude EDIT: Just noticed the speedo tan line, thanks for that. jabby fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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Sep 22, 2020 14:36
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That Italian Guy posted:They took that picture and framed the Deep in the same way in that scene for the series, tanlines and all. Well spotted! I can't get past how bad the art is on Starlight's face though. Good lord.
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Sep 22, 2020 14:50
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Did he kill Blindspot? I thought he 'just' deafened him. Bioshuffle posted:Do you think comic Homelander is fundamentally different from the one in the TV show? It's an interesting question. Comic Homelander had definitely done way worse things at this point in the plot, including what he did to Starlight, but his senseless murders are implied to be triggered by Black Noir gaslighting him. He also didn't actually rape Becky which TV Homelander apparently did. TV Homelander doesn't have anyone trying to drive him insane but he seems at least as messed up. At the point of the plane rescue (before any of the events of the plot), I'd say TV Homelander even comes across worse. Comic Homelander does abandon the passengers, but he doesn't threaten to kill them himself, and he actually seems to be freaking out instead of completely chill about it. He even makes an ill-advised attempt to help the plane instead of brushing it off as impossible. His TV counterpart probably would have bailed the instant his idiotic means of breaking into the plane got a child killed, because it would've hurt his reputation. Elephant Ambush posted:He's reckless and sloppy in certain ways but he is absolutely not an idiot. He's a consummate opportunist. This is probably the biggest difference between them in the plane scene. Comic Homelander is an idiot, which I think makes the whole thing seem slightly less his fault. Whereas TV Homelander absolutely could have saved the plane if he'd just been putting in a tiny bit more effort. jabby fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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Sep 22, 2020 16:59
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:Are you even watching the series at this point? A-Train does have remorse for killing her - he and Hughie have an entire conversation about how yea, he hosed up, but Hughie also basically killed Popclaw, so there is no moral high ground. He didn't have much remorse initially but as his life started to fall apart he did start reflecting on how yes, he does have culpability, and yes, he did gently caress up. Contrast that with Homelander or Stormfront. A-Train isn't a "good" person, but he is not a literal sociopath. A-Train literally killed Popclaw, mainly to save his career and himself. And Hughie was blackmailing Popclaw as part of an investigation into the death of Robin, who A-Train killed while basically drunk-driving. A-Train is responsible for both deaths, he's not morally equivalent to Hughie at all even if you forgive him laughing it up about Robin afterwards. He complains bitterly about even having to see Hughie to apologize, that would've been his chance to show remorse if he felt it. Personally I think The Deep has had the most "humanisation" out of the original Seven. He hasn't murdered anyone, and what he did to Starlight could basically be a real news story about a politician/CEO/anyone in a position of power. He has the whole crushingly low self esteem thing, and now he's joined a cult, has no control over his life whatsoever and constantly gets reminded everyone hates him. He's absolutely not "good at heart" or anything like that, and he's shown zero remorse for what he did, but I think he's had more effort put into explaining why he is how he is than anyone else. He also feels like he's trying to change in a completely narcissistic "I don't actually understand what I did wrong" kind of way. jabby fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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Sep 22, 2020 18:58
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Aphrodite posted:I feel like the most likely outcome is Maeve and whoever takes her side just all get lasered. Speaking of, I really don't know why Maeve has gone to Deep for an ally. All the dude wants is back on the team, and Homelander is a) team leader, b) told him he might get back on the team soon, and c) doesn't care about his sexual assault. Meanwhile Maeve and Starlight quite clearly hate him and probably wouldn't work with him even if he helped them. So what's stopping him shopping her to Homelander in exchange for taking her place?
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Sep 22, 2020 23:34
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ptkfvk posted:i hope they do the thing that some JL writer did (might have been the earth2) where aquaman gets powered up and wrecks poo poo since being able to go so deep would make him incredibly strong and durable. Deep getting various sea creatures horribly killed and then being the only one super bummed out about it will never stop being darkly funny.
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Sep 23, 2020 00:51
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:It's kinda telling that a character like Ashley feels free to bitch at Starlight or A-Train in order to get them to do something, when she knows they are powerful enough to kill her where she stands, and how deferential she is towards Homelander, who she knows will kill her where she stands if she annoys him too much. I wonder how much Ashley knows about what the supes get up to. I mean she'd obviously know A-Train accidentally killed someone, but she wouldn't know he's been threatening Starlight. Or that he killed Popclaw. She might conceivably know that Homelander has murdered people though, and he's the only one to have threatened her directly.
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Sep 23, 2020 12:34
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As Nero Danced posted:e: Another theory I don't expect but it would make things interesting: Doppleganger's body being all Homelander-ified made for good symbolism that he's trying to kill his human side, but I wonder if it's going to come back into play. It would make an interesting turn, even if only for an episode, for Homelander to use the body to fake his death, wear a disguise (maybe a Black Noir suit, so we can see a nod to the comic), and try to be someone else for a little while. It would backfire when he hears how much everyone really hated him. Did anyone else notice when Doppleganger became Homelander he was still a fair bit shorter than the real one? Thought that was a nice nod towards realism despite the universe, he can take someone's appearance but he can't generate mass out of nowhere. Megillah Gorilla posted:The most frightening thing was his mouth. Antony Starr really knows how to mouth act. That was some drat good acting. The sheer open-mouthed joy during the lasering followed immediately by the terrified-child look when he realises what he's done. jabby fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Sep 23, 2020 |
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Sep 23, 2020 14:05
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Another Bill posted:100% Homelander as an undefeatable but fragile public enemy #1 would be incredible television. There's a comic series called Irredeemable that does this (and has a lot of parallels with The Boys). Their superman-expy goes nuts and just terrorises the whole world, like destroying cities on a whim, sinking whole countries into the sea when he thinks one citizen has disrespected him, carving his name across the whole of North America with laser vision, etc. etc. In one of it's better bits, it touches on what it be like to live in that kind of world. Just go about your daily life knowing that while it's unlikely your city will get a visit on any particular day (world's a big place) somewhere there's a vengeful God just murdering by the thousands and all you can do is hear about which place got trashed today on the news. And you and everyone you love might just be obliterated without warning at any time for no reason. It's not really true to The Boys comic, but it would be good TV.
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Sep 23, 2020 15:04
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yook posted:I think in the comics, Homelander is fast enough to fly through people and have it basically look like spontaneous human combustion. So you’d have to find a way to counter him basically being a flying speedster before the idea of throwing him into a fight multiple supes actually able to damage him becomes an option. Otherwise he just flies through everyone before anybody can react. It actually annoys me a bit how HL saved Butcher and the baby from the explosion at the end of season one. If you can move so fast that you can get two people out of a building in between a detonator being pushed and the explosion reaching them, you can basically do anything. Super-speed is huge plot-hole fodder because no matter what happens you question why HL doesn't just fix the situation before anybody else can blink. Bioshuffle posted:We've seen that Homelander's best attack (ie his laser) doesn't affect Stormfront at all. If I had to pick a superhero to bet on, she would be the one. Eh, they gave her some pretty nasty burns and I'm fairly sure that was the low setting. So far we've seen nothing actually damage Homelander.
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Sep 23, 2020 18:23
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PostNouveau posted:Getting the street dropped on him slowed him down enough for an escape. The only thing I can remember even resembling someone damaging him until Stormfront started throwing him around. And of course Homeboy, who I think you're supposed to assume is his eventual equal, shoving him. Knocking him around isn't damaging him though. He's shown he isn't immune to being moved by thrown objects or super-strong individuals, but so far nothing has put a scratch on him. This is similar to Maeve but in contrast to Black Noir/Kimiko/Stormfront who can survive a lot but still show signs of injury. spacetoaster posted:I went back and watched that scene. He laser's her for a pretty long time and it just discolors her skin (and makes a sizzle sound). When he first says "I'll cut you in half" and she insists he zap her anyway he seems pretty reluctant. I think he only turns it on for a split second until she's proven she can take it. This leads me to suspect he wasn't using his full power because he knows he'd get in shitloads of trouble if he just blew a hole right through her. jabby fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Sep 23, 2020 |
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Sep 23, 2020 19:08
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Speaking of him lasering her tits, I did get a laugh imagining how that scene looked as acted, before the CGI was added. Just staring at her tits with maximum intensity.Another Bill posted:And while I'm talking about comic vs tv show: I can't really see it. Butcher gets flattened by Translucent, and none of them have really demonstrated any superhuman abilities. Plus if MM or Butcher had a supply of V why would one of their main goals be getting some to release to the media? Personally I thought having The Boys be superpowered themselves was a bit of a flaw in the comics. You can't take the piss out of superheroes effectively when your gritty protagonists are superheroes. jabby fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Sep 23, 2020 |
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Sep 23, 2020 19:16
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BrotherJayne posted:Yup, he has zero understanding of human psychology, and instead goes off cardiovascular markers that can mean many things. Has anyone successfully lied to Homelander when he goes into his lie detector mode though? I noticed all the stuff Starlight said to him about Hughie and her not being together, him doing dumb poo poo and her wanting to blast his face off was all carefully worded enough to be technically true.
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Sep 23, 2020 19:37
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Elephant Ambush posted:loving masterful Is it just me, or does HL's face when he looks away from the screen suggest perhaps collateral damage bothers him more than he lets on? Maybe not in an actual guilt way, more of an "I am becoming a monster" way?
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Sep 23, 2020 23:04
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The guy's not a super-terrorist, OK? He's a super-villain. God.
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Sep 23, 2020 23:52
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Figuring it's pretty trivial to test for superpower serum, the stuff isn't subtle. I recall it's a bit of a plot point in the comics that a significant percentage of the world's population is dosed with it. Yeah, in the comics compound V gets everywhere, it's portrayed as acting more like some kind of industrial waste/radioactivity than a drug. A lot of weaker supes/horrific deaths are the result of accidentally coming into contact with old, contaminated forms of the stuff (MM, his mother and his brother all being examples). In fact if I remember correctly, Vought can't even make the top-tier stuff anymore (the kind that created The Seven). So they seek out accidentally-created heroes and spooge their third-rate V everywhere to create more.
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Sep 24, 2020 23:05
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Probably my favourite episode so far. Highlights for me: - The smash cut from Homelander staring at the flowers to his obliterated trailer. - Homelander failing to intimidate Stormfront by squeezing her throat. - "You said you don't break easy. I've been thinking about that a lot." I feel like this is as close as he's come to a 'world of cardboard' speech. He's a guy desperate to let loose with everything he's got, and she's (seemingly) the only thing in the world that might pose an actual challenge. - Butcher and Starlight bonding over how Hughie is too good for both of them.
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Z the IVth posted:And even then he was raised in a lab. Even the most privileged and spoiled little emperor has had some human contact. Homelander had zilch. I've mentioned it before, but in the comics Vought literally raised him on top of a nuclear bomb. And made it very clear to him that if he ever had any normal childish outburst, or did anything that made them think they couldn't control him, they'd detonate it and even if he didn't die literally everyone and everything he knew would be vaporised. It's really no surprise he's messed up. Also enjoyed: - "Got to run lines with Black Noir" - The genuine happiness that came to The Deep's face when he tried to talk about fish again before being reminded nobody cares. - I thought Carjack guy reciting the mantra of "This is a stand-your-ground state!" before getting killed was a nice bit of subtle political messaging. jabby fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Sep 26, 2020 |
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IShallRiseAgain posted:I wouldn't exactly call it subtle, also the dude was completely in the right. The best case scenario is that he gets stranded in the middle of nowhere with no car, and there is a non-zero chance he just gets straight up killed. I mean he pulls a gun instead of give up his car, and as a result he does get killed. I guess you could read it that he was "completely in the right" to do so, but the fact that the show writers make him say "this is a stand-your-ground state" before getting one-shotted implies he pulled the gun because politicians told him that's what he should do, and it gets him killed. EDIT: Slightly disappointed Butcher couldn't handle it like he handles a gun pointed at him in the comic (takes the gun, crumples it up in his V-enhanced fist, and says "Glock's a wanker's gun, son". jabby fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Sep 26, 2020 |
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spacetoaster posted:Pretty sure he didn't go grab the gun out of his glovebox until Butcher, blatantly lying about being FBI, shows him his gun. At this point he could make an educated guess that these people are going to murder him on the side of a back country road. I don't think the writers would have put in the line about "stand your ground" if all we were meant to take away is that a poor innocent bloke got killed despite doing everything right. "Stand your ground" is all about not backing down from a confrontation even if you have the means to, and using deadly force instead. It's basically drawing attention to the fact that he could have retreated/given up his Hyundai but he was going to kill Butcher instead. Which I think feeds into why Starlight doesn't necessarily feel much sympathy for the guy later. Of course Butcher almost seemed like he was trying to handle the situation badly with the obvious lies/attitude. Maybe he knew Starlight would step in and wanted to push her into action? Either way it's a really well done scene, whether your take is that it just reinforces how morally dubious our heroes are or if it has some wider message about people thinking violence will solve their problems (and specifically, being told that by politicians/leaders).
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BrotherJayne posted:But he bangs fishery critters too More proof that his power isn't communicating with fish, it's temporarily giving them human intelligence. Intelligence that is based on him, so most of the time just wants to gently caress. That Italian Guy posted:Speaking of HL and to continue his parallel with Dr. Manhattan, both characters get to the "I have nothing in common with regular men" due to their inherent superiority, but while Jon follows it with "I'm moving to Mars/to another galaxy", HL is all about "I'm going to lead a new race and be venerated like a god". And all it takes is a bit of nazi gaslightning. Also it's double ironic cause Dr. Manhattan is way more up there in the "god" tier than HL...and that's the reason he leaves everything behind. Cause at the end of the day, as Starlight says, HL is really a bully more than anything else. Also irony that with HL and Manhattan their detachment from humanity is basically a front. Manhattan ultimately leaves Earth because he ends up feeling things and becomes too involved with people's lives. Homelander thinks he's a God but is really just a goon with frighteningly recognisable views of relationships/criminals/how to get respect. On the church stuff, I think A-train joining the cult 'in name only' is completely believable. All he has is his name and image, it's his only way to make money when he leaves The Seven. If they give that to someone else, he's hosed. Do any of us even know his name beyond calling him "A-Train"? It's his whole identity, similarly to all of the Seven except Starlight. Come to think of it, have we ever seen a Seven member other than Starlight in any clothes apart from their uniform?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Seems very much a Scientology analogue. Celebrities don't get anywhere near the same experience as the rank and file, they get all kinds of perks at the cost of total dependence. The difference between Deep and A-Train is that Deep has very much drunk the Kool-Aid, while A-Train I can see being reluctantly co-opted into doing cult stuff in exchange for money/relevence.
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