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Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

If we're doing a podcast I demand a 2 minute segment on chocolate oranges. :colbert:

I'd be up for it if we need more people or if there's a topic within my vague area of knowledge, but I'm not sure what I'd add otherwise. We could do an all jew episode about labour antisemitism! :jewish:

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Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Sanitary Naptime posted:

I’m going to go full Pravda on this segment FYI, Incorrect Thought will not be permitted on the UKMP

So much for the tolerant left!

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

mehall posted:

And miftan, I will absolutely eat a segment of chocolate orange for 2 minutes. Then another minute of me advising how good it was.

Rarity posted:

Legit good idea imo

Just keep your chocolate orange opinions to yourself :colbert:

Look, all I'm saying is that our audience deserves to hear both sides of the argument. It's a matter of free speech! :decorum:

(we must teach the controversy)

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

crispix posted:

You grew up in Israel, didn't you? I for one would have a lot of questions about your thoughts on anti-semitism and "anti-semitism".

I did, though I am not a definitive arbiter of antisemitism by any means. My view point is rare among both foreign and Israeli Jews, probably because so few of them are leftists!
In any case I'm happy to answer any questions you have here as well as on a podcast, especially Israel specific ones. I'm away for the weekend but if you post some stuff on Monday at some point I'll do an effortpost reply.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Guavanaut posted:

https://twitter.com/Namorrodor/status/1157235706730876929

Friendship ended with Yorkshire, now Lancashire is my best friend.

Aw man, I just moved to Yorkshire. Can't believe I have to move again.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...


Hey I don't have access to a computer and can't edit this on my phone. Will you add me? Topics include philosophy (ethics and political specifically), anarchism, antisemitism, Israel/Palestine. Availability is ever day after 4pm and all day weekends. You can fill in the rest ;)

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...


Much appreciated.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

bump_fn posted:

everyone said this about trump in the primary lol

I mean they don't like him, but they'll definitely still vote for him.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Sanitary Naptime posted:

Personally for the ukmp theme song I was thinking we just have god save the queen for a bar or two and then record scratch into the internationale.

Love it.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Kropotkin is a fantastic dude and conquest of bread is a great book. I also recommend in praise of idleness by Bertrand Russel (which is in the op!) for relatively simple language iirc

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Guavanaut posted:

That'd be perfect for throwing at nazis.

Don't give nazis your empathy.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

sebzilla posted:

Are you Jewish?

Regardless, take it to the JLM

Hey, I don't get them either! :thunk:

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...


What's nfb? Neck loving big?

deano posted:

I run a little takeaway doing breakfast and lunches in an industrial estate south scotland, and ofc a section of my customers have some takes so hot I could cook bacon on.
Served a customer yesterday, then they hung around for a while, and his solution to crime and the problems these days with the young ones would be public flogging.
I loving hate people sometimes.

I really wish i had went at him but i just kinda passively aggroed them out by loving off and making lots of noise doing dishes till they got the hint, just Venting, like up thread it was mentioned its hard when noone else seems to be on the same wavelength and least half of who i cater for have lovely opinions, i hate biting my tounge sometimes but times are hard and too many lost customers means i dont eat, just feel a bit poo poo not fighting our corner.

The climate change guy that was like so much for climate change after the mexico hail storm that bailed after i started on him felt good tho.

2 more inches of bloody rain today and the broken drains around here would had me flooded out, totaly typical for august tho.

/edit
51 An area of interest apparently and also:


Don't feel bad about not fighting for the cause when your livelihood is on the line. You can't fight at all if you can't eat!

Miftan fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Aug 6, 2019

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

deano posted:

I know just feels a bit poo poo not trying at least even tho honestly most of them are likely a lost cause so its, take money nod head.

Take their money and give some of it to the poor just to spite them! That'll show 'em!

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

deano posted:

Donate excess stock to food banks.

You're a good egg.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

deano posted:

Also a good egg

:D

That is neither good nor an egg.

(shut up Rarity no it isn't)

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

thespaceinvader posted:

I wonder how many of them will even still be the Labour candidates at the next election...

Depends. Reelection takes ages if there are even any candidates and if a GE is called halfway through the process you run with your current MP.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Klepsie posted:

All right, all right, it's taken over 15 years of Camrath nagging me but drops of water wear away a stone. Here I am. I am his friend who's been having issues with the mental health system. There have been some developments (also a few of Cam's original details are, innocently, a bit inaccurate). If there is interest, I can expand.

I am also advised that I should confess that I don't eat chocolate oranges, or chocolate at all, as part of my gritty smack battle to lose some effing weight. (She says, remembering Camrath's home made fudge guiltily)

Glad to hear about your disdain for chocolate oranges, welcome to the secret socialist club. Feel free to vent or rage into the void or whatever, we're pretty chill as long as you're not secretly an aristocratic landowner or anything.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Rarity posted:

Miftan, you get your filthy chocolate orange-hating hands off of her :mad:

Mwuahahaha

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

I can understand classic music being impressive on a rational level but it actually just bores me to tears so I listen to Streetlight Manifesto and Dead Prez instead.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

fridge corn posted:

What do you understand about classical music being impressive on a rational level?

It takes a lot of effort to compose something that is aesthetically pleasing to a lot of people. It's impressive on a technical level - it's just not for me. :shrug:

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Julio Cruz posted:

not to have a massive go at you but everyone I've met who's ever said that is basing it on an infinitesimally small sample

I'm pretty sure it's basically impossible for anyone who likes some form of music to find the entire output of 500+ years boring

I mean yeah, you listen to 'the canon', find it boring and don't dig much deeper. I feel like that's standard for getting into basically anything unless you have personal recommendations.

Coohoolin posted:

If you are interested, I have a small selection of pieces saved that I've found resonate very well with people who don't think they "get" classical music. I'd be happy to fire off a PM if you're curious.

That sounds cool, but I don't have pms. Can you message me on discord?

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Catzilla posted:

If you have the BBC sounds app, search for a show called ‘How to listen’ which eases novices into classical music, explains the themes and what’s going on. Maybe a good entry point.

I appreciate the advice but it's not something I'm actively looking to get into.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Don't know if this is of any help - relates to Madrid. Probably similar in other locations:

http://www.comunidad.madrid/servicios/salud/buscador-centros-sanitarios


Can confirm from other experiences that British Embassy bears striking resemblance to chocolate teapot.

poo poo do I need one of those? I don't even know what my health insurance bullshit is like in the EU because I'm only technically an EU citizen. I've always gotten NHS stuff for the same price as a British citizen whenever I needed it.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Jose posted:

this got posted in the cspam epstein thread and is a great conspiracy lol

https://www.salon.com/2002/05/07/students/

[quote]In some cases, the Israelis visited locations not known to the public -- areas without street addresses, for example, or DEA offices not identified as such -- leading authorities to suspect that information had been gathered from prior surveillance or perhaps electronically, from credit cards and other sources. One Israeli was discovered holding banking receipts for substantial sums of money, close to $180,000 in withdrawals and deposits over a two-month period. A number of the Israelis resided for a period of time in Hollywood, Fla. -- the small city where Mohammed Atta and three terrorist comrades lived for a time before Sept. 11.

Officials began dealing more aggressively with the "art students." According to one account, some 140 Israeli nationals were detained or arrested between March 2001 and Sept. 11, 2001. According to the INS, the deportations resulted from violations of student visas that forbade the Israelis from working in the United States. (In fact, Salon has established that none of the Israelis were enrolled in the art school most of them claimed to be attending; the other college they claimed to be enrolled in does not exist.) After the Sept. 11 attacks, many more young Israelis -- 60, according to one AP dispatch and other reports -- were detained and deported.[ /quote]

I love this because the actual reason tons of Israelis are deported and denied visas to the US (especially "art students") is because they all go there to work those lovely sales kiosks in malls and earn a ton of money (I know someone who made 100k in 2 years) by aggressively selling 'dead sea salts and mud' to helpless old ladies.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Jose posted:

lol but if you read the article it was definitely way more than that. They doorstepped tons of DEA agents

lol the University of Jerusalem definitely exists it's just called The Hebrew University. Most of it still sounds like the sales thing I know except someone bought a painting and now everyone goes to the same place to try and sell them. Like, I'm willing to believe it's actually a mossad thing piggybacking off the actual salespeople but :shrug:. I'm pretty sure the IDF doesn't send people to do overseas espionage and it said some of them were in the army as if that means anything. It doesn't make any sense other than they are draft dodgers or on vacation (and overseas leave is VERY hard to get). Oh the israelis lived in Fort Lauderdale? I wonder if that place is known for anything else? Like, again, this COULD be mossad, but it sounds super standard from everything I can tell.

e okay I read further it does sound like Israeli intelligence was piggybacking on the art thing which is very funny

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Rarity posted:

Everyone always ignores the Russian winter

The unsung hero of so many wars.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Also fwiw that paradox of tolerance doesn't mean 'shoot them in the head if they're intolerant'. That's your own interpretation and it says a lot about you.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

communism bitch posted:

lol

So my dea dear sister's birthday is tomorrow and has asked that instead of giving her gifts we donate to a fundraiser she is doing. Which is all very nice, but she's raising money for PETA UK. I don't want to be a dickhead to my sister but I also don't want to give money to those wankers. What do?

Say you did, but don't.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Guavanaut posted:

:same:

I have southern fried chicken in the fridge but I've already made a start on doing sausages and jacket potato and homophobic English meatballs.

They're only homophobic if they're not touching.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...


.. Is she saying that Corbyn has been prime minister for 4 years? That's even more wild than saying he's made the life of every jew in Britain miserable.

E nvm I read it wrong. That tweet could use some punctuation.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Guavanaut posted:

And also that it's making a bunch of actual Jewish people feel unsafe just for the performative outrage of a bunch of pricks.

Like if it was "Jeremy Corbyn smokes spice" or "Jeremy Corbyn watches weird hentai" then that'd be one thing, but years of "Corbyn's coming for you! *spooky holocaust noises*" immediately after their veiled antisemitism about Ed is gross as hell.

Especially because it means that actual dangerous antisemites and white supremacists aren't given any media attention as being terrible. It's the boy who cried wolf wrt antisemitism.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

bump_fn posted:



loving hell

I feel your pain, comrade.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Gonzo McFee posted:

tbh I lost any and all ability to take the antisemitism charges seriously when the Windrush scandal broke, Laura Kuenssberg said that the story would probably run out of steam within a week before going right back to talking about antisemitism in the labour party. Untold numbers of people who's lives were destroyed by a racist, vicious immigration policy that actively sought to ignore evidence Vs a story that's mostly about the feeling that Labour is racist among Jews after a media campaign about how Labour is antisemitic, reporting on the effects of their reporting without any acknowledgement that their reporting might have something to do with it.

It's too brazen.

Among conservative Jews.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

OwlFancier posted:

i.e the old noisy ones that own all the jewish papers, same as with the general public lol.

Truly we are all the same.

Read this as old nosy ones which we would have incredibly antisemitic and funny.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Borrovan posted:

I have heard from a friend of a friend that that in Jewish areas of North London it's a common doorstep issue, even in Labour households.

Same friend of a friend complains about getting bullied by Momentum though so it's possible she's just being disingenuous.

I don't know if this is surprising to you, but most British Jews are conservative, in my experience. Very few socialists and basically none that think what Israel is doing is wrong. The 'left wing jews' (with obvious exceptions like jewdas) are middle class liberals who vote Labour over tory at best (again, based off of my experiences with the North London Jewish community).

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-corbyn-jo-swinson-caretaker-prime-minister-lib-dems-latest-a9061936.html

Woops we were just saying it's unlikely not that we won't support him as PM honest guys honest!!!1

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

NotJustANumber99 posted:

I thought it was pretty clear what I was saying from the obvious context of it being concerning immigration, although I wouldn't really say it was my argument. If entry to the UK is a product people are willing to pay for and we're the ones reaping those rewards rather than a private company then in some circumstances I'm not really against it. I can do a car analogy about it if you like?

"it's fine to rob immigrants if I'm the one benefiting" is quite a take.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Bobstar posted:

Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out.

I'm a bit hampered in my quest for non-meat/healthy eating by not being able to do onion or garlic (apart from garlic & chili oil, which I believe doesn't have the compound that makes people's guts react). But it's fun to experiment with ways around it.

Do more peanut stuff. Peanut butter fried rice and stuff like that is delicious and usually pretty easy to make without onions or garlic! Also more Asian dishes like Pad Thai don't rely too heavily on that stuff and could work for you.

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Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...


Education isn't the issue. Once the laws get so complex that you need a middleman to interpret them then the system is too complex. Like, regular off the street people should be able to understand the laws they're meant to obey. Education will help with most of them, but anyone who is expecting people to understand financial and litigation law on their own is dreaming.

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