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Bobby Deluxe posted:Oh wow. I cannot imagine anything dumber than a person who supports complete financial deregulation, especially if they are not Branson rich - seems like unless you are in a position to turbofuck others with your riches, you're going to get turbofucked yourself. actually op once the markets are truly free everything will finally just work out
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Rarity posted:https://twitter.com/MadeleinaKay/status/1155087564879081473 this entire song is about hating someone the grift is powerful indeed
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Ratjaculation posted:I look forward to no-one learning from this dam incident, that our infrastructure is almost completely unsuitable for our changing climate. moar sandbags like in the war and DREDGE ARE RIVERS!!!
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Azza Bamboo posted:I get the feeling I've done something bad I don't fully understand. I'm willing to trust your judgment on this because you're much more informed on feminism etc than I am. On a practical level, what do I need to do now to put this wrong right? it's just a bit skeevy to sexualise her as a way of mocking her - the right does it a lot, whenever some woman speaks out about something, a common thing they do is photoshop her performing sex acts or being violated, as a way to humiliate women and assert dominance over them. When AOC was visiting those camps, there was a huge social media group for border guards that got exposed, and that kind of stuff was being posted in there (as well as, like, calls for a guard to assault her and they'd crowdfund a reward) I know you were going for more of a silly joke, but it's still not the kind of thing you want to do because it's still objectifying her, y'know? I'd go with lengthening the awkward awkward pauses (especially if you can find frames that link perfectly so you can't see the jump) or just "I've been in Beijing, opening new pork markets! *applause* THAT IS A DISGRACE" e- I've been in Yorkshire! THAT IS A DISGRACE shoutout to owlfancier
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Azza Bamboo posted:Feels to me like there's a whole world of complicated poo poo in the women zone and I hit a synapse to all that nasty oppressive stuff somewhere. I don't get exactly where this connects with that or how it invokes it, and usually when people try to explain the conversation goes over my head very quickly so I'm willing to say the wizards ITT know better and just not make sexual references I guess as a safe route. (this ended up longer than it was supposed to be AGAIN sorry) it's more that women have always been treated as second class, treated as sex objects and decoration and not taken seriously compared to men. Gender roles are a thing, and the role women are expected to fit into is look pretty and pander to male desires and look after the kids and the house, and if they don't then they'll face social consequences feminism has been about breaking down these walls and enabling women (and men) to be treated as individuals instead of being narrowly defined by gender. Men and women shouldn't be treated differently, and nobody should be punished for not conforming to some expectations about what they're supposed to be like. More and more you're seeing women in positions of authority without having to justify themselves but there's still pushback against that, there's still people trying to reinforce gender roles and drag women back down, and reducing them to sex objects is part of that. It's really embedded in society, which is why a lot of people don't really realise it or why it's a problem. When Blair's victory included a bunch of new women MPs, they got referred to as "Blair's Babes" - it's patronising and disrespectful, putting them into a particular box, where they're singled out for being women (MP is a "man's job") and objectified (keeping them in their place). It's comforting to people who don't like to see the world they understand (men are like this, women are like this) changing and having their own views challenged - so undermining that progress women have made and objectifying them is a way of pushing back and reasserting that hierarchy. And it still happens now in the media, although a lot less thankfully that's just general background, I hope it makes sense! That's basically the drive behind people using sexualisation of women as a way of reducing their worth and dismissing them, "putting them in their place", and obviously this goes to some very dark places. The way to resist that is to reject those gender roles, to not objectify women or judge them on their attractiveness, and to not use those things when criticising or mocking women. And that requires being honest with yourself, because we all grew up in a society that taught us to do those things, it requires some amount of deprogramming and we're all gonna screw up sometimes. But with the right attitude (which it sounds like you have) you'll learn and improve and help to make society better at this stuff! don't feel like it's over your head or "women's stuff" though, it's about people treating each other right and that's an important thing to work on, y'know?
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Yeah hope they see you soon duder I did hear if you stand up and say "pickled onion is the best monster munch" you'll get the express VIP treatment but I can't confirm this rumour
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Guavanaut posted:Vaguely related, but whenever a homophobic politician or religious figure gets caught on the DL, the mockery of it takes a weird tone, because while a lot of people will be mocking them for their hypocrisy, a lot of other people will be just mocking them for getting caught doing icky gay stuff, and sometimes out of context it's hard to know where one begins and one ends (unless they're outright throwing slurs around). yeah I was gonna say something about how sexualisation only happens to women and not their male peers, but that's not actually true - it's just that with men it usually takes the form of calling them gay. Which I guess makes sense in the gender roles hierarchy - women get reminded of their place, men get accused of failing to meet the standard and become a target for punishment I guess it's just down to how you mock them, maybe sometimes there's no way to make it humorous without people assuming you're saying "the hypocrisy of this guy when he is also gay which makes him just as bad"
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Azza Bamboo posted:For example I asked another thread for the most basic book they know that gives a breakdown of trans issues. I bought it and within ten pages I'm already at "this is a lot of big words for one sentence. What does this even mean?" This is a book that was described as "trans 101" and it may as well be a doctoral thesis when viewed through my eyes. I don't ask for things to be explained to me any more for two reasons. 1. It's not fair to burden the people who know this stuff or even who live this stuff with having to dumb it down for dipshits. 2. I don't feel like I have much hope of absorbing the theory of these issues anyway. It's why my approach is "what do I do?" not "what's the theory behind this?" No definitely ask! And this is generally a good thread for people explaining stuff, they'll usually try their best  I mean I got a bit wordy but the basics of this stuff aren't hard, it's just that there's some useful language to fall back on. Like "objectification" means treating someone not as a person, but like an object to be used (the passive target of an action if you know yr grammar) - so typically when people talk about objectifying women it's about basically reducing them to something to be leered at, focusing on their sexuality or attractiveness instead of their character or skills, that kind of thing There can be a bunch of academic language too (especially with "newer" theory around gender - partly out of necessity because our language is pretty limited for some of these concepts) but you don't need to know it - the ideas aren't that complicated, the hard part is incorporating it into your understanding of the world, y'know? Suddenly you have a lot more to think about, things become more complicated, you have habits to fall out of, all that stuff. If an explanation you're reading doesn't click with you, you just need to find one that does (this goes for anything) - and talking to people and asking questions can help a lot, because you can find a way to get those ideas across. Nobody owes you an explanation, but a lot of people will be happy to talk about it if you're cool! Guavanaut posted:Thinking about it, that's probably the best guide to what type of mockery it is; where the emphasis lies. yeah, I just worry about that nuance getting lost, especially around people who are way into the prejudice thing weirdly I think twitter's helping people learn to be incredibly pithy and unambiguous. 140 characters to be funny and clearly call people out? some very powerful people forged in the tweet fires
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feedmegin posted:Being dark skinned is seen as being more desirable pretty much nowhere tbh but yes the other thing is a thing, brown paper bag test etc; I've heard of US universities where there's one sorority for the lightskinned women and another for the darker skinned. To white Americans, ofc, black is black. yeah there was a documentary about this a few years back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXG38QxXY-s turns out people internalise racism and social hierarchies! and of course the beauty industry lightening skin tones and pushing things like straight hair as desirable a lot of women couldn't get foundation that matched their skin tone until Rihanna launched a line that actually aimed to match every shade
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Long but worth a read. Survey of different countries' media views on the UK following the brexit fiasco. some good takes in here, but it's always bewildering just how many people are still taken in by the Posh Britain image DesperateDan posted:When some spiders have enough food they don't care about proximity good bug hotel
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kemikalkadet posted:Indian politics are similar to the wests in a lot of ways. we gotta adopt this aesthetic
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Pilchenstein posted:I think he gave up on Wipe because he knew he'd get loving crucified for doing centrist takes. Remember 2016 wipe when he pined for the days when people would say "meh" instead of being angry about politics? but but his whole thing is pretending to be angry in every situation! it's bad though!
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CGI Stardust posted:tbf by staying out of politics and the public eye, by and large he's avoided doing the standard old comedian thing of turning into a vocal anti-Labour transphobe. Unless he is, of course, and I missed it. he does some really good funny/insightful stuff, it's just sometimes he falls back on going "yeah you loving cock" at the TV over and over or pretending to bully an intern awkwardly for half a minute and it's like, mate he's had Richard Osman or whatever on before though so he's def melt-adjacent ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:I haven't had a lock on twitter for a while it's good op
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WhatEvil posted:Here's a good bit worth watching. I like that there's people on the right side of things doing this stuff, because we need more left wing voices and perspectives basically everywhere. But I always feel like the comedy feels forced in a lot of it, to the point where it dilutes the message, and instead of biting satire you get a comfortable laugh track and people making funny faces American shows like John Oliver's and Samantha Bee's are a lot better at this - they do some really good forensic breakdowns of issues with some real "oh poo poo" takes, but they're still beholden to the clowning for laughs thing. I remember seeing John doing one about US prisons and how heavily the system impacts black people, and you could feel the resentment at having to stop every couple minutes to go "NO BRANDON! NO! NO BRANDON, STAY IN THE CAR!" or whatever next to a photoshop
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Pilchenstein posted:Yeah, I'm not gonna slate them because they're clearly on the right side of that issue but it's just someone telling me things I already know while doing the occasional poo poo aside. It reminds me of that Stewart Lee line: "Was it funny? No but I agreed the gently caress out of it". yeah totally, and it almost feels apologetic like this is legit good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pz3syET3DY better journalism than you'd get on the actual news, most of the jokes are like "haha I'm actually highlighting a bad thing that isn't really funny", and even though the audience is trying to get in on some chuckles in the beginning at completely inappropriate times, he just ignores it instead of stopping for the attention. Then he goes on about Cheerios but I guess that's just where we are, but we could do with more of this kind of uncompromisingly scathing stuff Comrade Fakename posted:Brooker’s sister-in-law is the fairly decent (and also my) Labour MP Rupa Huq, so that’s probably why he hasn’t talked publicly about Corbyn and so on. ohhhh she's related to Konnie? That's cool I had a moment where I hoped Konnie had become a raging socialist but her twitter feed is mostly about her new kids' book, lots of anti-racist retweets though so that's cool
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Ms Adequate posted:If you think I'm not going to use nepotism to gain a position as Star Admiral then you better think again But what game roms did you upload for the Asgardian people?? oh god my phone capitalised that :itshappening:
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Ratjaculation posted:See this is what I mean, the thread needs a common enemy, Pissflaps 2, I'm still willing to do it if Diet Crack decides its not for them. What kind of tree would you replace Jeremy Corbyn with? any kind of tree just name one e- don't be fooled this is NOT a tree 
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Ratjaculation posted:English oak. Old, wise and provides an ecosystem for more invertebrates, birds, epiphytic plants, mammals, etc than any other tree. Providing support for the many, not the few. This is a good answer test FAILED
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Gonzo McFee posted:It's antisemitic to claim that the antisemitism in Labour has been overblown for political ends. it's cool how the news is signal boosting this idea that even the anti-racist left hates jews, just to give antisemitism that mainstream flavour Eleanor did pretty good in addressing that without letting them pull her off topic into BUT LABOUR
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Zalakwe posted:Sorry it seems I haven't communicated clearly as straw men are springing up everywhere. The issue is that they're powerful, and their power lies in their ability to produce fossil fuels and the world's dependence on them. So sure we need their power - but it's not in their interests to give it up, especially not to the extent where it brings about their own demise. So their "help" typically comes with a lot of caveats, including compromise around stuff that would hurt their business model That's what you have to watch out for - things that basically allow them to keep on as they are, that delay important changes or weaken restrictions, as well as stuff like greenwashing that hides all of this from the public perception. policy being tailored to pander to them (partly because people making policy are often connected to or at least lobbied by these companies, they just need the public cover to do it). If they're not making a net-positive contribution to the effort, and you're not willing to nationalise them to command their resources or at least impose serious regulation and controls, then it might be necessary to shut them out entirely
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Private Speech posted:From that perspective I feel like if you are going to invade Ireland you should do it before Brexit, imo. Wait - is that why Boris decided to fire half the upper levels of service ASAP? My god, it all makes sense. until the pound crashes and the rest of the world buys up all our incredibly cheap turnips you can't export our rocks though! The shipping is prohibitively expensive! *gnaws local stone wall*
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Hey the market is rational after all! not sure about the invisible hand though the comments are great "what makes you think I'm a right-libertarian"
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OwlFancier posted:I would be quite surprised if lake district slate is not exported. Ooooh look at mr fancy pants here with his delicate rock wafers! After brexit there'll be none of that! We'll be eating right at the quarry wall like we did in the war!!!
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Tanith posted:
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forkboy84 posted:The Big Short is on the iPlayer and it's still a really surprisingly entertaining for a film about number go up and then suddenly number go all the way down. it's conjuring up unlimited bets on other people's investments and calling them "synthetic derivatives" op which is what John McD was saying Javid was actively involved in creating at Deutsche Bank...
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Yeah, the key thing there is the credit default swaps - it's not like a normal CDO where, in the end, you're holding actual real debt like a mortgage someone took out. These are made up of insurance policies taken out on that debt - a bet on whether it will pay out for the owner, or default and lose them money Like the big drive at first was to loan as much as possible to as many people as possible, just to generate that raw debt to package up into bonds and CDOs you could sell - that's why there was so much predatory lending. But what if... you just packaged up bets on existing debt? In-play betting on a global financial scale, on credit, just literally trillions of dollars why not
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^ if you can find a very smart financial institution, sure! How's your rolodex looking?Tarnop posted:So it's an amplification of the behaviour of the underlying debt. I sure hope no economic shocks occur. Do the no-deal forecasts take these into account, or is it just one of these financial instruments that are going to give wildly different valuations depending on who you ask? Yeah it's leveraging to hell - the winners win big, the losers lose big, to the point where they can't actually pay up and the winners have these toxic assets that won't pay out... unless... what if governments bail these institutions out, so they can afford to pay up! AIG was the insurer selling a lot of the credit swaps, taking the other side of those bets. Guess what happened to them Plus the CDOs they were betting on were already a joke - the tranches are about risk/reward, as debtors default the lower rated tranches lose money first until they're wiped out (they get a higher rate for taking that risk). The upper tranches are safe until the defaults creep up and wipe out the lower ones, so those are sold as A rated safe investments. So of course what they did is take a load of those Z-rated risky tranches and package them up in a new stack, and rate the top ones as A+ safe, even though they're all the first ones to get wiped out in the derivatives they're coming from they're all bad this is gonna fall over immediately good thing the underlying debt isn't all based on a single overheated market where people have been mass-sold debt they can't afford and they're all gonna default at the same time waaaait a minute This is all about the 2008 crash though, I have no idea what they're up to now, probably keeping their noses clean I'm sure!!
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wassup to the newbieWhatEvil posted:their D&D podcast The Adventure Zone is really great, and also involves their dad Clint McElroy who used to be a radio personality in West Virginia. um excuse me he's still playing the hits!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPaiJms5_ec forkboy84 posted:The entire app is horrible. TikTok is Vine for people without any ideas. https://twitter.com/jbillinson/status/1155610305063456768
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Why aren't y'all just using the met office yourselves, I bet Jeremy does! Also cheers ronya, that looks interesting for later
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forkboy84 posted:Feel I should take this time to say that everyone who watches wrestling should consider getting into Dragon Gate because it's cool and has the most entertaining music selection (I don't even enjoy J-pop but this does it for me) and also the wrestling is great which is also a bonus does it have that wrassler jpop lady because she seems cool
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forkboy84 posted:That sounds more like a Tokyo Joshi Pro thing? I don't really watch much joshi (Japanese women's wrestling) because there's only so many hours in the day & so many £ to spend on wrestling subscription services. oh I've no idea lol, she popped up on the youtubes because I watched some interview with people who escaped north korea. she's cool and likes a kebab (no sauce though) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJN1Bzapb0E body positivity is cool and good is that guy in the mask actually gonna do any wrestling?? the fact he's not is making me feel tense
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forkboy84 posted:I checked and I was right, she has wrestled in Tokyo Joshi Pro, making me an idiot savant when it comes to wrestling. looks like we have your mastermind specialist subject! I mean if it's not gonna be communist thinkers so you can watch John Humphrys bug out
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ThomasPaine posted:He's not great at communicating this point, which is bad in an elected official I agree, and that's an issue, but it's unpleasant to watch a lot of very well intentioned left-wing people attack him based on an implicit premise that ultimately undermines their own political goals. Given the context where he's embroiled (unfairly or not) in accusations of not taking antisemitism seriously and Labour "giving too much ground" on the issue, it's a bad look to rock up and start going "hey what about that idpol we need to start talking about class instead" If he's not good at communicating the point he wants to make, he should probably not do it - especially not in soundbite form on twitter, it's not helping him or anyone else right now, y'know? Doesn't mean it's not an argument people should be making, but it's not surprising that his attempts aren't going down well
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https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1160198083852087299 I guess  wasn't available (that would be a good coin though)
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Ratjaculation posted:made this so you remoaners can understand why coins are essential to makin britian grate again Ben noooo wonder if tipping point has made it onto the international circuit or if it's just too british to export e- lol of course australia is interested
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