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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

HIJK posted:

e: the biggest take away for me is that Vic should have been told he has a severe problem with regards to respecting the boundaries of his fans and that he should have gotten help for it before it went too far. Who knows, maybe its hard for a VA to say "no" when you have a bunch of teenagers who themselves don't understand boundaries yet asking for your hugs and physical affection and then it snowballed from there.
jesus christ, dude

dude was molesting kids well before he was a VA. and even if he wasn't you're literally saying 'it's hard for a VA to say 'no' when you have a bunch of teenagers...'

Dude literally raped kids. Somehow, hundreds if not thousands of other VAs manage to be around kids who want hugs without raping them.

Endorph fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Sep 7, 2019

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Dawgstar posted:

https://twitter.com/SharonFGrigsby/status/1170118818598981633

It's almost like it's not so much a court case at all and instead an excuse to bilk GoFundMe money from idiots who think they're owning the libs.
And by that logic, him not talking to a reporter to give his side of the story would make sense. It makes Vic seem more unfairly maligned and attacked from all sides.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

He's a complete nobody even in America. Besides his legacy roles like Ed and Broly the last role of literally any significance he had was Rohan in JoJo's, and before that you have to go back to him being Rin in Free. For the past decade he's had a semi-important voice role every like, 3-4 years. The most significant ongoing role he had at the time of this all going down was Qrow in RWBY, which isn't even an anime.

He's one of the bigger name dub VAs and he has a fan following but he has barely any cultural significance outside of people that both watch anime and care enough to look up who the VAs are. Casual anime fans have never heard of the guy, and frankly a lot of younger people probably haven't either, even if they actually watch a decent amount of anime.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

khy posted:

I honestly didn't know who he was until this thread right here. But then, I don't really watch dubs at all.

My impression of him when I first saw this thread and read about him on io9 was 'creepy-rear end predator'. My impression of him now is 'creepy-rear end predator with an unimaginably lovely lawyer'.
If you were an anime fan in the mid 2000s who engaged with western fandom much at all he really was big, but outside of that one specific moment in time hes a total nobody.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

doing that after a court case has to be illegal

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

ZenMasterBullshit posted:

Yeah I hadn't....seen him talk before and holy poo poo how did people not know this guy was a creeper?
because men and people in power were willfully ignorant and because he exploited how utterly loathed western female anime fans felt in the mid-2000s by throwing them a bone and doing stuff to make them feel involved, and talking to them like they were people (so he could gently caress them, mind)

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

I. M. Gei posted:

Anyone who posts death threats at innocent sexual assault/rape victims forfeits their right not to be outed and made fun of on the internet.
when you make fun of a lovely person for their appearance you're hurting good people who have the same flaws in their appearance. like if some shithead is balding at 22 and you dunk on him for it yeah it feels good for a second but imagine how it feels for dudes who are also balding at 22 and are really self-conscious and hurt by it but don't hate women.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Alan Smithee posted:

I mean yeah but when a Chud looks like a Chud it’s like *chefs kiss*
that is society telling you that those who look unattractive have less human value and worth even though a lot of the people who actually finance these political ideologies in a super meaningful way are attractive young people of money

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

yeah i feel bad for some of these kids because they clearly have turbodepression and got suckered into stupid internet bullshit. not that it makes it okay or anything but its hard for me to get much joy out of a 16 year old with 5 followers having a mental breakdown on twitter because hes been suckered into putting his self-worth into some culture war that nobody in the real world gives a poo poo about.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Waffleman_ posted:

Sometimes there's this one series of videos about Chrischan that pop into my recs for some reason and it's like at least a 12 part documentary with each video being an hour long and it's like

get a fuckin' life

you're honestly the more pathetic one at this point
its funny that some mostly harmless weirdo posting his goofy sonic fancomic online led people to spend the next 15 years obsessing over him lol

like its onet hing to go 'lol' and its another to read his blog and go 'lol' its another to set up a chain of falseflag operations in order to try and gaslight him into developing further mental disorders for the crime of




being mildly weird to a gamestop employee once?

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

ive been kicked in the head by a donkey and think arguing over whether or not a severely mentally ill person whos been harassed by the internet for over a decade is or isnt trans is a good use of my time

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Keltar posted:

Awww, so mad like the vic stans.

I think 'someones gender identity isnt a public debate' and 'this rapist shouldnt be punished' are slightly different stances. Just a little.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

The one thing vicstans are right about is that tons of other people aided Vic in his bullshit for years, including people that are trying to act like they're on the right side of this now.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

the greatest and most accurate yakuza story of all time is the story where two american wrestlers were in japan for a show, they were talking to some yakuza at a bar, one of the yakuza goes 'we're hardcore... if you fail the family, they take a bit of your fingers...' and holds up his hosed up hand with like two fingers missing and a chunk out of his middle finger, and one of the wrestlers replies 'wow, you must be a real fuckup, huh.'

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Yeah. As I've mentioned before, everyone knew Vic was a creep for years. Check out this (now deleted, so this is from the wayback machine) ANN article about Vic.

quote:

Convention guests who are creepy towards their fans need to be reported to the convention. But that's their business, not yours. You don't know why they act the way that they do, and you can't know if the stories you've heard have been puffed up or elaborated. There are undoubtedly whole dimensions to these people you have not considered. It is not your responsibility to play moral police, and you don't have the information needed to be fair about it anyway.

quote:

And what would happen, should that campaign succeed, and said voice actor gets drummed out of the industry? They sure as hell aren't going to have a magical moment and say, "you know, I was wrong. I learned something today." Nobody does that after being attacked. They get angry. They dig in their heels. Suddenly, they're victims, and standing up to the bullies is their "cause." They might not actually attack you back, or start a feud, but it'd be a chip on their shoulder that follows them around for years. Things don't get better, they get worse.

quote:

. But a good amount of "activism" these days, particularly on the internet, isn't about supporting the good guys. It's about finding the bad guys and vilifying them, destroying their careers/personal lives/reputations/legal standing until there's nothing left.

poo poo like this is why it took so long to kick this guy. People were handwringing like crazy at the thought of someone facing consequences for literally anythig.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

honestly i kind of believe that video in the sense of vic probably got hyped up and talked into it by the two dumbass lawyers and regretted it almost immediately.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

but he still deserves all of this sooo

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Ursine Catastrophe posted:

Not all star trek fans are pedos, but all pedos are star trek fans

quote:

The one longstanding attachment Kirk has is to Mr. Spock. In fact, their bond is so intense that there’s an abundance of gay porn written about the two. (Oddly enough, it’s frequently written by heterosexual women.)

Oddly enough.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Alan Smithee posted:

Uncancel vic

But only give him yaoi and boys love roles

haha yeah itd be hilarious to punish this dude by making him voice disgusting gay anime.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

yeah i feel like you might be a tad overinvested in this

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Why do i care about this gamefaqs thread

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

boku no pico is not, in fact, the world's first shotacon

anyway its creepy and bad but also so are 99% of hentai ovas ever produced and the hyperfocus on boku no pico definitely has a lot of inherent homophobia. note this is not saying it isnt bad please do not twist it like that. its just weird people get so hyped up on joking about it when there's plenty of stuff thats the same thing but straight

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

funko pop definitely announces new figures on monitors on top of trash cans, and not on their official twitter

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Yeah basically

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Waffleman_ posted:

What if that fan made it for Vic as a gift and he immediately turned around to sell it

this is absolutely what happened

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

Not that I could post without permission. I know the victim (only by their real name) and I'm pretty sure they don't want me to just drop it.
uhhh if they told you not to talk about it then dont talk about it dude

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Read After Burning posted:

I am making a jerk-off motion so furiously, the energy could probably power a small city.

'TSWG says that entertainment should be entertaining first and foremost, and no one wants to hear far left identity politics shoehorned into any product,' she says, while making her entire identity about the politics of entertainment

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

yeah if there's one point the vic stans have its that the industry has plenty of guys like vic, vic just pissed off the wrong people at the wrong time and thats why he got booted, not because what he did was uniquely terrible or that they were somehow unaware of it before it became a big public to-do

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

technically speaking 'ephebophile' includes 18 and 19 year olds so there is that distinction, but, somehow the people who are very insistent about that distinction arent the guys who are just into college girls.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

personally i open 100 video tabs of every episode of both the original fma and brotherhood, dubbed, and play them simultaneously in the english dub, in order to maximize the vic mignogna energy emanating into my house. his sin becomes my sin, his flesh becomes my flesh. we are of one mind.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

personally would not describe a rapist only facing consequences because he mildly annoyed a major corporation as 'so good'

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Skwirl posted:

I wouldn't be shocked to be wrong about this, but I didn't think anyone had accused him of rape "just" sexual assault and harassment.
ive definitely heard stories of him getting 18-19 year old girls drunk and then dragging them up to his hotel room, but that was word of mouth back when i was active in the con scene so i dont have any hard proof for you

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

Honestly in retrospect its kind of damning how long Vic was able to get away with this poo poo as an anime va considering how quickly he got chaos dunked for this poo poo in every other job he’s had
he got called out for it very quickly (see it being known even before he was cast as ed as mentioned earlier in the thread) but if theres any community that loving hates women and wont listen to them at all, its western anime fandom, especially 2003-2016 anime fandom. you could see the downplaying start almost as soon as he was called out for it. 'lol theyre just mad he doesnt like yaoi' was a big one.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

the audience was always diverse in my experience, women were all over the place and always liked anime in the west, and black dudes always loved dbz, etc, they were just constantly, constantly downplayed and belittled in pretty much any space, mainstream or otherwise. it was kind of a filtering system where only the weirdest, least socially conscious women could be open and passionate, which of course led to stuff like yaoi paddles. not to absolve people of yaoi paddle crimes but you get what i mean.

read: i watched the utterly terrible tokyopop 'america's greatest otaku' reality show and for some reason they had a guy rap about how much he hates fangirls and how naruto and sasuke arent gay. and then hiroshi nagahama, director of mushishi, decided that a guy who cosplays as super mario 24/7 should go to japan. and then it cut to the super mario cosplayer hitting on a butler at a butler cafe. credits.

Endorph fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Sep 22, 2022

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

I recall somewhere on these forums like 8-10 years ago someone was saying something along the lines of “Vic is not a homophobe you’re just assuming he is because he’s a devout Christian”
that was a super common line back then. anime news network ran like multiple defense force articles with that exact logic whenever he got called out. of course they deleted all of them when he finally got tossed out.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

the red bard thing completely killed her career, she hasnt uploaded a single video since then and her entire twitter account is just getting into fights with random 200 follower right wingers now. there's really no point acting like she's some massive influence on youtube. she made a couple 1 million views videos and also has a bunch of sub-100k videos, and then her account died. she has 200kish subs which really isnt much on youtube.

i get thinking shes a dick for leaping into the vinny thing but also she isnt some insidious force you need to make a thread entirely about just because she got linked, while also assuming everyone else has been stewing on this drama for over a year as well.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

i hate all three of those guys

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

ninjewtsu posted:

perhaps an "anime youtuber drama" containment thread should be created
lets not and say we did

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

using the molestation of children as ammo in a dumb sub vs dubs debate, even jokingly, is stupid as poo poo. knock it off.

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

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