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Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Has anyone since late 90s/early 2000s Booker T used the missile dropkick consistently? I can't remember the last time I saw a dropkick like his, tonnes of top rope shotgun dropkicks though and standing dropkicks but nothing like Booker T's awesome heatseeker.

# ¿ Sep 19, 2019 08:40

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# ¿ May 13, 2024 15:07

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

MassRafTer posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbbUnTYS7zY

finally got around to watching this and i dont think anyone noticed the run in at the end is an obese man named SCOTT STERLING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F9jXYOH2c0

# ¿ Sep 21, 2019 03:59

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2zP6Vx6yik

https://www.wwe.com/videos/sasha-banks-brings-bayley-s-biggest-fan-to-tears-nxt-takeover-respect-october-7-2015

# ¿ Oct 11, 2019 23:16

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Hellblazer187 posted:

More importantly, where's the lineal custody of Dominic?

Shane McMahon

# ¿ Oct 12, 2019 05:28

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An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

SatoshiMiwa posted:

I still want to think Diesel is worse due to just tanking the entire business for the fed during his run but the Wyatt feud is sure making a good case for Rollins

Rollins is tanking the entire business.

# ¿ Oct 16, 2019 05:45

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

LividLiquid posted:

It'd be Reigns if it weren't Rollins. It'd be Cena if it weren't Reigns, though eventually, Cena figured out ways to succeed in spite of how WWE booked him.

They don't know how to book a top guy and never have. Name the last one who got over because of them instead of in spite of them.

BRAUN

# ¿ Oct 16, 2019 12:24

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LividLiquid posted:

The guy who's booked to never, ever win a big match? That's who you think is more over because of WWE's booking and not in spite of it? Because I'm not seeing it.

This is recentism, with a very liberal definition of recent, BRAUN was the worst Wyatt member easily (Rowan was a better member at the time) and put in the group because they Had Plans For Him like Toman in The Shield. Notoriously he was referred to as the worst ever applicant for the performance centre, including everyone who has been rejected, and his signing was just in line with Big Huge Stiff in a time where being both big and talented is needed. Then he went solo had atrocious matches and was dying a death... and then through sheer booking sudden Braun Strowman who the "fickle fans" had every reason to give up on turned a corner and he became BRAUN. And shockingly he got better as a character and even wrestler when this happened, its a true home grown successfully executed build and push that the fans got behind.

Then they just used him to try and elevate Roman instead because their plan was Roman the Ordained, Lex Luger in a time when the fans believed in Daniel Bryan Hart.

# ¿ Oct 16, 2019 22:18

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Braun is the exception that proves the rule in WWE Big Stiffs. Kozlov, Morgan, Jones, Khali, Corbin, hell the most successful non-Braun is The Ryback and thats The Ryback.

# ¿ Oct 16, 2019 22:53

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Big Show v Batista at the Hammerstein

# ¿ Oct 18, 2019 03:44

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
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Halloween Jack posted:

Wrestlers should always say the name of their finisher, and it should always, always be a pun on their own name.

You just made me lose The Game

The Game in this case is remembering Kizarney existed

# ¿ Oct 22, 2019 15:04

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

big daddy vs marty scurll

# ¿ Oct 31, 2019 05:24

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Gavok posted:

Giant Gonzalez vs. Great Khali.

now youve done it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwGrDn1iDG0

Note: this was in the 1994 G1

# ¿ Oct 31, 2019 05:32

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Jerusalem posted:

Is Inoki to blame for this? Because I feel like this is something Inoki would do.

good news they werent in the tournament proper, but this was on one of the shows

the tournament had some dead set legends

Chono, Choshu, Fujiwara, Mutoh, Fujinami, Hase, Hashimoto, Sasaki and even a young Takayuki Iizuka

# ¿ Oct 31, 2019 05:52

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Why is Hiro Matsuda not in the Observer Hall of Fame?

# ¿ Nov 27, 2019 06:03

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And I'm not afraid to die.

STONE COLD 64 posted:

what makes him hall of fame worthy

as a trainer

# ¿ Nov 27, 2019 06:04

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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Has anyone ever used Nick Cave for walk out music and if not who on this forum can fix this injustice?

# ¿ Feb 6, 2020 08:46

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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Why is Thunderbolt Patterson never really mentioned in Hall of Fame discussions? I'm not saying this as in I know Thunderbolt, I know nothing about him really outside of what I saw on wikipedia, but from just that he seems like someone who got blacklisted for all the right reasons and should be celebrated.

# ¿ Feb 23, 2020 11:40

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Ace crusher became a cutter

I dont know when it took off but poisonrana is now more common than reverse/inverted hurricanrana

And hurricanrana referring to all headscissors is one itself as hurricanrana used to mean a rana into the pin. A release was the frankensteiner.

Sharpshooter took over scorpion hold.

All argentine backbreakers being called The Rack because of Lex Luger.

# ¿ Feb 29, 2020 14:26

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Capn Combustible posted:

According to cage match data Adam Cole only wrestled a total of 11 matches in Japan for NJPW, and they were virtually all ROH crossover stuff or Bullet Club multiman tag stuff. The fact he was positioned as a heavyweight when he's clearly 5'8" probably wouldn't help matters.

I think War Machine did fine in Japan, but NJPW doesn't care about their tag team divisions so the crowds going to only get so invested in an act when they've wrestling the same 2 or 3 teams every show.

Elgin's a huge rear end in a top hat, but Cobb's definitely missing something in New Japan. I don't know if it's fire, or just he wrestles at a slower pace than most of the other heavyweights, but his G1 was a real let down for me; which is a shame because I know he's capable of doing a ton of cool stuff.

Cobb's issue is he sells too loving much and his offense works best when hes an unstoppable beast. He needs to learn from Ishii how to sell. Its why Matanza was better as he didnt have to sell.

Also he cant run and any match thats been built requiring him to run the ropes is a cruel war crime.

# ¿ May 26, 2020 09:54

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
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Alberto del Rio or Tiger ali Singh

# ¿ Jun 15, 2020 20:57

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And I'm not afraid to die.

forkboy84 posted:

Ted did a couple of tours of NOAH where he was in matches with KENTA & Bryan Danielson & Bison Smith & Marufuji & Akiyama & Misawa & Kanemaru & Shiozaki & Morishima. No, he's probably not ever done a **** match that wasn't some sort of multiman affair but he's more just mediocre than awful. He wasn't even the worst guy in Legacy (hello Manu)

Some names at least worth considering that haven't been mentioned are Lacey von Erich (though it's been a long time since I've seen her but my memories are she was doodoo), & Wes Brisco (who someone managed 2 bookings with New Japan during the Bruce Tharpe NWA feud?). And how about Sim Snuka, the worst guy in a tag team with Cliff Compton?

But anyway, it's Erik Watts but Cody Hall has done his best to give him a run for his money.

Its Alberto del Rio or Tiger Ali Singh

# ¿ Jun 15, 2020 22:58

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Randaconda posted:

Nah, Alberto is fine when he gives a poo poo, it's just he rarely does

Alberto is charged with rape amd kidnapping, burned every bridge he ever had, and will go down as having all the success he could possibly want handed to him by winning the genetic lottery and being born into Mexican lucha royalty. Hes a better looking Teddy Hart.

# ¿ Jun 15, 2020 23:42

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Randaconda posted:

Yeah, when I think of Cena, I think of other fantastic wrestlers, like Flair, HBK, Kenta Kobashi, Bryan Danielson and Chris Benoit. Cena totally belongs there.

I'd say Cena is on the tier with guys like Hogan and Savage and Chono (and CM Punk for that matter) - Hall of Famers but will never be in any reasonable greatest of all time conversation.

# ¿ Jun 16, 2020 22:37

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Red posted:

Cena had chemistry with pretty much everyone, and his I Quit match with JBL should be proof enough he can bring it in the ring with anyone.

My gripe (and I think most others') is that he was the same character forever, and there was never a reason to sympathize with him, or think he was going to lose. Instead, most of my favorite things about his career feature him losing or getting destroyed.

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# ¿ Jun 16, 2020 22:48

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Cena issues were being perpetual booked as an underdog despite looking like Matt Damon on steroids alongside extremely patterned matches with the Five Moves of Doom

And while this may seem not important to me it is - his finishers both looked loving horrible. Growing up seeing kneeling firemans carry takeovers by Fit Finlay that a standing one was so devestating made no sense. Then you took into account Death Valley Drivers it Samoan drivers and it was just "the Batista bomb us so much better".

This is my rant to lead into Daniel Bryan should use Cattle Mutilation again.

# ¿ Jun 16, 2020 22:55

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

jesus WEP posted:

imagine complaining about “stops selling” when that’s been a staple of the babyface playbook for a lot longer than any of us has been alive

Theres a right and a wrong way not to comment on Cena here but think about when for example Seth Rollins stops selling. It doesnt come across as a fiery comeback as much as it might not have ever happened. I think their issue was Sting was fighting spirit whereas Cena was "time to make my comeback".

# ¿ Jun 17, 2020 00:29

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

SatoshiMiwa posted:

I think the biggest case for Cena being a really good worker is how bad the WWE main event scene has become since they moved on from Cena cause he's too old

Like everything everybody says was bad about Cena's run is still in the current scene it's just way way worse

Yes but we can point to they put every egg in the Roman Reigns basket without developing foils or rivals of equal footing to Roman because MAKE ROMAN LOOK STRONG.

I think everyone can agree Cena wasnt worthwhile until he got Edge.

# ¿ Jun 17, 2020 00:35

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Maxwell Lord posted:

Cena's career arc is an odd one. In 2011 he can't quite carry someone to a great main event (see Mania 27), but he can rise to the level of an opponent like Punk. I have trouble remembering just when he started to really go to the next level, perhaps around 2014. (The matches he had with Orton weren't great but that was because by that point he'd faced Randy Orton some 10,000 times.)

That's because there no such thing as Big Match Randy, he just never had thing to be the shoulders of the epic champion. Not helped by that he had to be taught his pattern on Triple H main events. I can't name a single main event feud in WWE's 2000s-Now that was Randy Orton as being the other half of the key piece... except Randy Orton himself and I can't even tell you what his big feud was either.

# ¿ Jun 17, 2020 05:27

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

I've asked this before in historical WON awards, especially in runner ups, but I don't think I've had a clear answer how this happened:

ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
1. Daichi Hashimoto (552) 3,018
2. Uhaa Nation (23) 650
3. Takumi "Sho" Soya (24) 509
4. Obariyan (17) 315
5. Archibald Peck (15) 242
6. Fenix (3) 235
7. Dragon Lee (11) 185
8. Tommaso Ciampa (15) 111
9. Mike Dalton (2) 78
10. Dark Dragon 72

How did Daichi Hashimoto of all people crush the award in 2011 over Uhaa Nation, SHO, loving FENIX, Dragon Lee I (now the current Mistico), and Tommaso Ciampa? Like he got 552 votes and second place was 23.

# ¿ Jun 18, 2020 04:09

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

rare Magic card l00k posted:

One person was well known, the others were not.

Yeah but thats the definition of a rookie, and it was such an insane blowout it looks like he had the greatest rookie year ever. The year before it was won by Adam Cole and the year after by Dinastia (who got less votes than second place Mr Touchdown). I can't see any other rookie getting anything close to 500 votes maybe even 400.

# ¿ Jun 18, 2020 04:24

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Big Daddy Yum Yum was Most Improved

# ¿ Jun 20, 2020 07:08

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYBTPO37P4Q

MOST IMPROVED
1. Rusev (181): 1,372
2. Charlotte (152): 1,281
3. Sasha Banks (2): 383
4. Erick Rowan (41): 313
5. Luke Harper (15): 241
6. Bobby Lashley (19): 205
7. Tomoaki Honma (19): 182
8. Cedric Alexander (22): 172
9. Ethan Carter III (19): 154
10. Tomohiro Ishii (18): 137
HONORABLE MENTION: Seth Rollins 127, Kyle O’Reilly 125, T-Hawk 199, Tyler Breeze 114, Daisuke Harada 99, Joe Doering 92, Ricochet 90, Nikki Bella 89, Jay Lethal 78, Hanson 74, Roman Reigns 70, Adam Cole 63

(I thought Charlotte got robbed)

# ¿ Jun 20, 2020 07:15

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Admiral Joeslop posted:

Who's the biggest name that started off as absolute bottom tier garbage but eventually became huge? Someone's gotta have gone from David Flair to any WWE headliner level.

There's always been stories about how much Hogan knew about the business when he started, including one about someone breaking his leg that is almost certainly a lie. I'd love to see his first matches.

If reports are correct Nigel McGuinness was one if the worst wrestlers anyone had ever seen for his first few years. Like below jobber level.

# ¿ Jun 20, 2020 20:42

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Smoking Crow posted:

Is a dusty finish a retcon

i mean The Black Scorpion was seen with Ric Flair several times and then he was Ric Flair

# ¿ Jul 16, 2020 07:28

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Who is Raven murdering here?

# ¿ Jul 17, 2020 10:20

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And anyway I told the truth,
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Maigius posted:

So I learned my dad used to enjoy the AWA in the 70s or so. Can someone tell be more about it, especially during that era? We're especially trying to figure out the Japanese babyface? on that he liked. It's not Tiger Mask and he thinks the guy's name is Kobiyashi.

way off Kobiyashi but it could be Masa Saito

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masa_Saito

# ¿ Jul 18, 2020 00:58

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An eye for an eye
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And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Honestly it could be both.

The number of stop start awful gimmicks meant to feud with The Undertaker could fill a book.

# ¿ Jul 20, 2020 23:33

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An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Googling Hade Hansen lead me to discovering Johnny Ace hired Yoshi Tatsu accidently thinking he was a different NJPW talent. Im trying to find out who it was but my guess is Hiroshi Tanahashi or Milano Collection AT.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2020 00:05

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And anyway I told the truth,
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CopywrightMMXI posted:

It�s incredible how many forgotten characters there were from the 2000s. Just off the top of my head I got:

The Bashams
Gymini
Gunner Scott
The Teachers Pets
Manu
Mordecai
Hade Vansen
The Heart throbs
Kizarny
Luther Reigns
Orlando Jordan
DJ Gabriel

And that�s just a short list. Many of these guys got a lot of tv time too, but had no memorable matches or angles. Was any decade worse in terms of go-nowhere characters?

so i though about it and given two decade is a long time here's my list of WWE bred superstars from 2000-2020 that are Hall of Famers without a doubt:

John Cena

...

thats it.

There are others of course but they are all flawed:

Daniel Bryan made his bones on being the best wrestler in the world long before he got to WWE and had a Hall of Fame career on the indies alone (and WWE tried to sabotage him so hard it became a loving angle)

CM Punk was also indie bred but their true place was WWE and that wa sin spite of them trying to sabotage him as well (and then he self-sabotaged his own Hall of Fame nomination through dumbass MMA)

Samoa Joe's entire Hall of Fame argument is RoH, TNA and indies, ignoring WWE entirely.

AJ Styles was a Hall of Famer before he even got to WWE through TNA and NJPW.

They had twenty years to make stars and they made a grand total of ONE. TNA has a higher batting average than that as two of the guys mentioned are TNA from their Hall of Fame careers.

Being really loose the strongest argument for a second male Hall of Famer from WWE during this entire period is Jon Moxley/Dean Ambrose and again thats in spite of WWE and the only reason hes listed at all is because he loving left. I specified male because Becky Lynch might be the first western female wrestler Hall of Famer since Mildred Burke but even thats up in the air and Asuka might be the best womens wrestler in the west (as in wrestlers who came west and they actually translated) but again thats in spite of WWE.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2020 00:49

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# ¿ May 13, 2024 15:07

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
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To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Red posted:

Eh, you could make cases for Batista, Lesnar, Orton, and eventually Roman and Rollins. Angle probably. Bray, probably, just by virtue of being around forever by the time he retires.

I legit forgot about Lesnar as he's just such a trancendent athlete in every way that I don't even think of him as WWE. He's just Brock.

You can make cases for the others (Batista, Orton, Roman, Rollins) but none of them are particularly strong and if anything are really flawed. Just being a main eventer for a time isn't a Hall of Famer. That Batista is in there at all just shows the power of leaving wrestling has because as an actual wrestler entity his best runs were his very very very short heel runs before he began his sporadic absences.

Angle pre-dates the 2000s.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2020 00:57

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