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Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008


This. This right here is why our youth are revolting. Because the “adults” are spineless , hypocritical cowards who defend treason and mock 15 year olds on the spectrum.

I was so inspired over the last few weeks I signed up for, and donated to, The Sunrise movement. That said, I attended one of their webinars and mannnnmn I felt old lol.

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Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Boris has a point, we need to all take Greta’s lead.

Over the last year I’ve gotten involved with, joined, donated to..
The Sierra Club
Local affordable housing/YIMBY/Mass Transit Groups
Local DSA Branch
Sunrise Movement

And various local/state candidates doing canvassing, phone banking. Attending climate, housing forums ect

Honestly I feel like a “freelance” leftist because im with so many groups and part of that is my ADHD and autism at play, but it feels good!

If the world is destined to go to poo poo it won’t go without me fighting.

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Rent-A-Cop posted:

Nope.

The country is still run by morally bankrupt fuckwits and nobody is going to do anything about it.

Don’t equate the rest of us activists with the Democrats in congress please.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

sexpig by night posted:

I know it's not news but as usual Trump's UN speech is full fash

He sounds so...tired? I listened to a clip of it and he sounds like he just finished running a loving marathon. Hopefully this means his health is failing. I'm trying to listen to it and he sounds like my 85 year old Accounting 101 professor. I'm falling asleep.

Here is a rough transcript of his speech

Sources...say...sigh...people wait in line for...groceries...sometimes hours at a time...in socialist...vene..zue..la..gargle...burp..

Ironic considering he called Hillary "low energy"


WRT Climate Change and Individual action. Individual action DOES matter. Do what you can. However, do not get mad at the person who decides to eat a T-bone steak after a poo poo day at work, or the family that wants to fly to visit grandma during Thanksgiving. Direct your anger to the corporations and governments that have wrecked our planet. Remember, just 100 companies are responsible for nearly 2/3 of gobal carbon output

https://www.theguardian.com/sustain...-climate-change

Solaris 2.0 fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Sep 24, 2019

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

sexpig by night posted:

lol I had to check out fox and they're 100% on "THIS WAS A POWERFUL, MIGHTY, SPEECH SETTING OUT WHAT TRUMP DOCTRINE IS!" What a bunch of pussies.



lol

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

TulliusCicero posted:

Someone buy her an account :allears:

Dear god no, I'd rather we not wreck their determination to do something.

Anyway teens like her, David Hogg, Emma González, and others loving rule and I am ready to follow their lead.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Donald Trump will never be removed from office by impeachment because Republicans have strapped themselves to him in a suicide pact, but that isn't the point.

By holding Impeachment hearings you are A) holding him accountable and B) Energizing the Democratic base by laying out his crimes

It is absolutely the right thing to do even though Republicans will never vote to remove because they are all bunch of fascists boot-lickers.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

BigBallChunkyTime posted:

Ok, so let's say they actually go forward with impeachment.

How long would it take from the time they announce they're moving forward til the time he's actually, officially impeached?

Nixon's impeachment went on for about six months when he resigned before being formally impeached

Bill Clinton's was apparently done in less than two months lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_process_against_Richard_Nixon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

I'm actually ok with a longer impeachment process if it means non-stop hearings, investigations, ect to really hammer home how corrupt this administration is. Let's Benghazi the gently caress out of this.

*EDIT*
dog tax (is this still a thing)

Solaris 2.0 fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Sep 24, 2019

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

loving christ between this and Boris Johnson getting owned for "Unlawfully suspending Parliament" it's been a hell of a day.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Tormented posted:

Is anything going to come from that? I haven't seen anyone talk about what will happen is Boris getting removed due to it?

The UK thread is probably a better place to ask BUT, from what I can gather as an outside American wholly distracted by our own poo poo-show..

..he's hosed, but he doesn't care as his one and only goal is crashing out of Brexit come 10/31. A bunch of prominent UK politicians are calling for him to resign, and I think there are elections scheduled?

It's all confusing as hell and, unlike us here in the U.S., they only have a month to get their poo poo in order lol.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

evilweasel posted:

no

basically, think of Parliament like the House of Representatives. every district votes, the plurality winner takes the whole seat. it's not proportional representation.

about half of the UK is "leave" and about half is "remain", no need to get more precise than that.

labor is not a remain party. they have substantial amounts of "leave" voters and corbyn will not campaign on a "remain" platform. similarly, the tories were not a "leave" party - they had lots of "remain" voters.

beyond labor, there are some assorted left-wing parties, most notably the Liberal Democrats (formerly a strong third party, but then they sold their soul to join with the tories in a coalition government) who are the only party with a formal "remain" platform. on the right, there's the brexit party, a hard "leave" party. now, you can easily form a coalition when elected: if there's a majority of leftist seats they control parliament even if no one leftist party has a majority.

but that is not the case in the actual election. in a labor v. tories election, the real issue is how many seats that should go "left" or "right" get flipped via the spoiler effect (e.g. 10 conservative votes, 8 labor votes, 4 libdem votes goes to the conservatives despite a "left" majority; or 10 labor, 8 conservatives, 4 brexit). so even if Boris only has a solid 45% of the vote, and the other parties have 55% (numbers picked out of a hat) he has a very good chance of winning, IF he can eliminate the spoiler on his side.

that is what his plan basically has been: he's moved hard towards the brexit party to try to marginalize them and collect all of their votes, while playing on Labor's inability to come out as a hard "remain" party and thereby steal the conservative votes that he places at risk by going hard leave (corbyn being so far left also assists him there, making it easier to hold onto tory remainers). corbyn can't eliminate his spoilers without coming out as a remain party, and he's been more wishy-washy on that than may was.

as a result, boris is favored if he can call an early election, because he may have eliminated his spoiler while corbyn didn't eliminate his. that may change if he's forced past 10/31 and forced to extend.

loving Hell somehow the UK is more of a cluster gently caress than our lovely national government and that is saying something, this day of impeachment.

I hope they get through Brexit OK, I have a few friends in London from my time studying abroad. :smith:

*EDIT*

lol that reporter question "DURRRRRRRR WHAT DOES THIS ACCOMPLISH IF THE SENATE DOESN'T CONVICT??"

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Franks Happy Place posted:

Chris Wallace on Fox News saying "There's some meat on the bones, here."

:wow:

Chris Wallace and Shep are like the only two half-decent reporters left at Fox News. This isn't shocking for him to say.

Still he's absolutely right, but I expect the Hannity/Ingraham/ Tucker trifecta to be in maximum spin mode tonight.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

So when does Congress need to pass another budget bill to prevent another shutdown because Trump is gonna refuse to sign anything out of spite.

November 21st! Just in time for the holidays!

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

I just can’t wrap my mind around the fact that a condensed and curated second hand account that they voluntarily released already looks this bad for Trump.

There is an absolute treasure trove of damning details hiding just beneath the surface of this. The stuff not being included in this one account. The other 7 calls. The international escapades of personal fixer Rudy Giuliani.

A million times this. As another goon posted, I figured this transcript, which was curated specifically to make Trump look as good and innocent as possible would have him discussing mundane congratulations, trade deals, ect and then a casual "oh by the way, if you get a chance sure would be nice if you could investigate this Biden thing" at the very end.

Instead he straight up starts off by making GBS threads on Angela Merkel for no loving reason. Then pivots to demanding the new Ukrainian president investigate HER EMAILS (:psyduck:) shits all over their former prosecutor, then straight up asks in the most mobster way possible "You got a great nation here, it would be good for you to start investigating this Biden thing to, you know, keep that nation great".

Like what the gently caress. If this is the best they could make Trump look then LOL. I cannot image what is in the other calls.

Also who the gently caress knows what he has been asking of other countries, to Kim, to Putin, the Saudis, ect while he has been in office. If we can get transcripts of those conversations as this investigation dives into the rabbit hole? Buckle up everyone, we just took the Red Pill and I feel like there is no end to this bottom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7W2I9FGF9U

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Trump’s base evaporates the moment he is not on the ballot and the GOP knows this.

Pence is an empty suite hack who’s only base are rapidly dwindling evangelicals

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

When does the government run out of money? I know I posted a link earlier that said "November 21st" but can someone confirm?

Also I could easily see Trump shutting the government down to end the impeachment probe. He loving shut down the government over his stupid Wall for a loving month - and he only caved because the ATC/TSA people were walking off the job, shutting down our airports and thus, grinding the economy to a literal halt.

It would be right around the holidays too :(

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

theflyingorc posted:

If anyone cares about which Democrats haven't come out for impeachment, CNN has a list, but it's a few hours old so like 6 of these are no longer on the fence:

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii



Tulsi Gabbard is such an embarrassment goddamn. Like, who the gently caress is her base of support?


ahahahahahahahahaha

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Majorian posted:

People who (rightfully) oppose U.S. interventionism, but then (wrongly) assume that isolationism is possible or desirable in TYOOL 2019.

Then those people can vote for Bernie Sanders and not a Pro-Assad homophobic idiot.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Majorian posted:

Well yeah, didn't you see my gang tag?


Yea sorry wasn't calling you out - just Gabbard supporters. Though I don't think we have any Gabbard supporters in D&D (or if anyone is, they have rightfully not outed themselves)

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

What is he even ranting about? I'm only half listening because I can't stand him, but he sounds like he did at the UN yesterday. Bored, out of breath, and struggling to string sentences together.

Even if he survives this how the gently caress is he going to campaign in 2020?

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Evangelicals are insane.

I have a family member who hates Obama specifically because he “displayed the gay pride flag at the whitehouse” and that means he “hated christians”

Said family member refuses to say whether or not they voted Trump (they did).

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

This...these were the talking points the GOP spent all night trying to come up with to counter this? Greatest Hits conspiracy theories and “whataboutism” from the 2016 playbook?


Lol they are hosed

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

BigBallChunkyTime posted:

Trump is absolutely a guy who thinks if you delete a file off your computer it's gone forever.

Also page 100 bitches

He doesn’t even know how to use a computer, I don’t think he’s ever touched one.

Its why he thinks there is a rich guy in Ukraine with a box that literally has Hillary’s 30,000 emails on it. Its like that scene in Zoolander where ben stiller thinks literal, physical files are “inside the computer?!”

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Mahoning posted:

I don’t think it’s zero. We’re at an insanely low nonzero number, but it is not zero.

Something about the GOP reaction to this scandal so far just doesn’t give me the nothing matters vibe anymore.

I've never seen the GOP so scared, the only time that comes close was the few months of chaos after Obama won re-election in 2012 when the crazies won out, but that was just GOP infighting.

This scandal is different. Normally they are very good at getting a narrative out, and using their enormous RWM apparatus to spin the narrative until it turns to their advantage. However everything I've seen in the last 24-48 hours has just been flailing. Outside of Lindsay Graham being the worlds biggest bootlicker and Nunes being Nunes, it's silence. Even a few of the mode "moderate" ones are cracking a little.

I realize it's the Trump era and who the gently caress knows what will happen, but this feels like uncharted territory where, for the first time, the Democrats have the narrative and the media on their side.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Impeaching Trump and destroying the GOP now is especially important because daddy Putin is ready to completely wreck the 2020 elections

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/09/24/new-cyberwarfare-report-unveils-russias-secret-weapon-against-us-2020-election/

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

The climate and gun strikes prove that the kids are alright :smith:

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Lightning Knight posted:

It’s not like old people are any goddamned help

Well yea the olds have proven themselves to be worthless assholes willing to strip the planet bare and have literal children die/locked up just for that quarterly profit to go up.

I’m siding with the kids.

The olds in my Sierra Club / DSA chapters are cool though. They are old school lefties from the 1960s who can’t believe they still have to keep fighting for the same poo poo they were protesting/fighting for 50 years ago. You can see the exhaustion in their eyes:(

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

TulliusCicero posted:

Lol can you imagine Trump trying to beat up anyone ever? :allears:

He beat his own son and ex-wife.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Hi all,

So another goon brought this up earlier it I wanted to reiterate. The most important thing we can do is call our senators/congress people to keep the pressure up and investigate this to the max.

I live in a very blue state, but still left messages encouraging my reps to keep it up until Trump is (hopefully) removed. If you live in a lovely red state keep calling! Let them know they are cowards. Ditto if you have an idiot blue rep that hasn’t “decided” yet.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Putin 1000000% does not give a gently caress about Trump and just wants the complete destruction of the US political system.

Trump has been a decent asset in furthering that goal tho.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

ryde posted:

Americans are dumb and war did wonders for Bush's approval ratings in the short term, so I fully suspect the R's to rush headlong into military action.

They may try as a literal “Wag the Dog” distraction but no, no one wants a war outside of the craziest of neo-cons. Even CHUDs are mostly against sending actual boots to die.

Trump does seem (surprisingly) self aware that an actual war would be bad for him even if, diplomatically speaking, his administration is doing everything to start one.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Mahoning posted:

And honestly, Trump kinda ran on a populist anti-war platform which honestly probably got him a non-zero number of votes from people who knew Hillary was a war hawk. So there’s at least a portion of his base that is anti-war and “America first!” that would be turned off by him starting a war.

Ancedotal, but I know of several people first hand who voted for Trump and defend it with the "Donald the Dove, Hillary the Hawk" narrative.

There were people on this very forum arguing that narrative as well.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

sean10mm posted:

Primary chat is already "gently caress Biden" 24/7. Could just keep it there since Biden himself is not relevant otherwise? I dunno.

I think this is a good idea, it eliminates the "WHATABOUTISM" aka Republican talking point that will destroy this thread otherwise.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008


I see they're going to to try to buy their way out of this and of course, Whataboutism will be the key play, talking point.

As for Kelly Ann Conway..lol. She needs to gently caress off.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

The Glumslinger posted:

https://twitter.com/natemcdermott/status/1177691244195205121

:lol: This is a great look considering the report that came out of the Senate today

I was wondering if we were going to get a 5pm surprise and holy lol.

Especially since today is also the day we (officially) found out that the entire NRA organization is a Russian asset / front!

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

sexpig by night posted:

so what happened this afternoon I've been busy

More crimes to cover up the other crimes already committed.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008


Just make her Imperator, lord protector of the Earth and all it’s celestial possessions already. She’s a better leader than almost all of the ones in power anyway

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Hey how are things going for Trump’s ol’Buddy MBS

Houthi rebels in Yemen say they have captured a large number of Saudi troops after a major attack near the border between the two countries.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49866677

Oh okay then good thing we’re not like giving them a blank check or anything for this war.

Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008

Alkydere posted:

Aren't the Houthis the ones who took credit for blowing up the SA refinery and the ones we're 99.95% sure actually did it and not Iran like every senile chickenhawk has been crowing because that's who the Saudis and Israelis want us to attack?

If so, hah, serves the Saudis right. My cold, bitter heart loves seeing those assholes get clowned.

Yea, because Saudi Arabia sucks so much poo poo they are getting their asses handed to them by a ragtag rebel group despite near- unlimited military funding and intelligence sharing from the U.S.

But because that’s embarrassing, it must be Iran and only Iran!

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Solaris 2.0
May 14, 2008


So in a month they get their oil production knocked out, lose a portion of their army to the Houthis, and this?

I say, seems this regime isn’t all that stable



Also the GOP strategy for Trump committing treason again (with transcripts!) is official! Triple down on “BUT HER EMAILS” like it’s still 2016

https://twitter.com/jasonleopold/status/1178143151061553152?s=2

Solaris 2.0 fucked around with this message at 11:06 on Sep 29, 2019

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