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Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."



Is it bad that I'm also super happy about her being forthcoming about being on the spectrum? My life experience has been that it's something you hide or play down, her outlook on it is really quite wonderful.

Fritz Coldcockin posted:

Well, I mean, let's say you're one of the people trying to spin this and you don't have brainworms. What do you do? I mean, it's becoming patently obvious that the President of the United States threatened to withhold military aid from Ukraine if they didn't investigate a political opponent of his. Trump has admitted to talking about Biden on the call, and it's already known that he told Mick Mulvaney to put a hold on the $400 mil we were about to send them.

At this point, if your brain isn't swiss cheese and you're spinning this for Trump, your denials will sound ridiculously stupid.

Pretty much. There aren't really any good options anymore.

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Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Boris Galerkin posted:

Something that you, and most people, can do right now is to stop eating meat. That alone is probably the biggest most impactful thing any of us without money or power can do.

Stopping is maybe asking too much though for most people, so the next best thing is to eat less meat.

Heck yes! We may not be responsible for most of humanity's impact on the climate, but we can still do our part to help out every day.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


nine-gear crow posted:

Because yesterday she was physically escorted to the corner of a room in the UN HQ so that Trump could trundle through without seeing or speaking to her, and this morning he started the day by mocking her for being on the autism spectrum. So yeah she kinda deserves to laugh at him getting lined up to be turbofucked.

He mocked her for being on the spectrum? I didn't see that tweet, but that is so exquisitely shameful. I know I shouldn't be surprised or upset at this point, but...

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."



This makes sense if you don't consider that time is a linear phenomenon. In that case, it may actually be possible to have all the information before the investigation.

Fallom posted:

This seems to represent a pretty dramatic shift from their usual spin. Guess the Republicans aren't feeling so confident about this one.

They also don't have a party line to fall back upon, considering how quickly this all happened. The responses we're seeing are all theirs.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


theflyingorc posted:

Nah, I've heard a dozen "why aren't we waiting for information????" Things already. This is the spin lol

Wait, really? Oh, no. Oh, no no no no no, they're doomed.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Dapper_Swindler posted:

https://twitter.com/ccadelago/status/1176693520159170560

jesus christ, he is a literal angry kid that got caught.

What a sad, angry little man.

theflyingorc posted:

It was the first Republican response after Pelosi spoke today on CNN

You'd think that they would have had some better response(s) ready to go, considering how long impeachment had been discussed.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Ham posted:

Dem reps reporting on the complaint have already emphasized that it is detailed, explosive and offers avenues of follow-up/witnesses to be called out. It's interesting he's trying to spin it as no one will follow up on anything!

I think he might have left himself some wiggle room - he only said declassified, not unredacted!

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


empty whippet box posted:

how the gently caress am I supposed to sleep tonight

Comfortably, considering that you aren't staring down the barrel of impeachment.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Shimrra Jamaane posted:

What if he’s Donald Trump?

:aaaaa:

I would recommend that he take a sudden tropical vacation until this all blows over.

Say, in a decade or so.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


VH4Ever posted:

So The Mattering may actually be upon us. My question: what fucks this up? Because this rear end in a top hat should have been impeached a dozen scandals ago at least. What will make this one stick?

It was collusion again against a potential political rival that is far more readily accessible and intelligible than the Russia stuff turned out to be. As for what fucks it up or makes it stick, well... Your guess is as good as mine at this point! It is both a blessing and a curse to live in interesting times.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


mdemone posted:

Don't feel bad for her. That girl has Got poo poo Together. She can handle this and she's got an army of us in front of her.

Has anybody told you that you have quite a way with words? Cause that kinda got me fired up.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


mod sassinator posted:

I was at the climate strike last week and it was truly inspiring to see kids so fired up and active about it. Like this generation is going to be unbelievably good if they're getting forged in the fires of activism before they're even in highschool.

Also the best sign I saw there was a teen who wrote "OK BOOMERS" on her sign lol. The kids are gonna be alright.

We're going to have to work hard just to keep up! It's kind of exciting.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Rigel posted:

I see this a lot, but this is not true either. There might be 30-35 GOP votes in the Senate to throw Trump out if and only if the vote were both secret and if a magic spell were cast preventing anyone from claiming they voted no.

After this private vote Flake talks about, the CHUD horde would angrily demand who voted yes, and every GOP no vote would run screaming to the cameras that they voted no.

https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1177424336774402048

It must be difficult to go through life so fearfully.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


bird cooch posted:

The only Republican defense that they have been able to dredge up in the last 4 days is "what about Joe Biden" and then this thread is full of people saying "what about Joe Biden" without adding anything new or contesting any previously argued or debunked points.


I'm not saying that you're Republicans, but the phrase "useful idiots" comes to mind.

Nobody here. To my knowledge. Likes or wants Joe Biden to be in office.

In further addition, as far as I can tell nobody here is particularly happy about Joe biden's son being on the board of a Ukrainian oil company.


So, in a week where the Democrats are making a whole lot of good decisions for once and seemed to be on the right track, what exactly is it that you're trying to say?

Nancy Pelosi is an old Rich lady? You are preaching to the choir. Joe Biden is an old guy who should go away? Again cool story nobody gives a poo poo nobody disagrees that's it for your just repeatedly posting about Joe Biden as if that does what? What is your goal? What is winning look like for you? Who are you trying to convince question mark this just looks like a bunch of weird back padding and cries of persecution when you're just wrong about both the temperature of the room and the actual timeline of events.

It kinda seems like you're complaining about people not adding anything to the conversation without adding anything to the conversation yourself.

Rabble posted:

As far as I’m aware Impeachment doesn’t require criminal conduct. It’s a political process by which an unpopular president can be censured or removed from office based on what the house and senate deem most politically advantageous to them at any given time.

It's certainly a political act, which is good that so much emphasis is being placed on the objectively unacceptable actions from the Trump administration. It definitely shouldn't just be perceived as strategic maneuvering!

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


bird cooch posted:

I'm trying to drag the conversation to a crux so that it can be actually discussed inside some defined terms in the second half and pointing out that these posters are 100% falling for the only line of defense that the Republicans have been able to field in the first portion of my post.

That Joe Biden is an imperfect politician and person? Agreeing with the basic concept doesn't necessarily lead to supporting the GOP's only defense to the whistleblower's report. I am sure that we can discuss multiple things at the same time without weakening our position!

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


ImpAtom posted:

Discussing this specific thing at this specific time when it isn't even in the top 5 serious issues with Joe Biden *this month* makes it feel more like supporting the GOPs talking point, not worrying about Biden's corruption.

I said yesterday it would own if this torpedoed Biden's campaign but I'm not going to pretend Republican talking points are valid when I can point to Literally Everything Else.

What would you say the top 5 serious issues with Joe Biden this month are? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I'm just not sure what you're referring to.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


theflyingorc posted:

He keeps mumbling like a crazy old man and saying weird things to women, for starters.

I mean - he's a terrible, terrible candidate. But he didn't get this prosecutor fired to protect his son, it doesn't make any sense.

Oh, absolutely! Whatever's happening with his son really doesn't even relate to him, let alone the current events regarding the Trump administration.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Herstory Begins Now posted:

buried near the end 'we don't actually know which version of the form the whistle blower filled out, nor do we know when in august the form was revised'

Doesn't change a drat thing. Just another wet fart of damage control. Especially when on it's face it's a 'intelligence community makes a move allowing substantially greater potential oversight' and I'm meant to be upset about that?

Pretty much. Make a hyperbolic claim, quietly admit to it being overblown or erroneous toward the end of the body of the article. If a person's just browsing online and can't commit more than a few seconds to read it, are they likely to catch that little correction? As such, the paper continues to look legitimate (because it is "factual", just not entirely honest) and they can attract a reader-base which is more than willing to commit to the spin.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."



In conclusion, metal is a land of contrasts.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."



I find this to be a bit awkward, to be quite honest. The worst elements of Trump would be horrid however they were oriented and utilized, I can't support doing the same thing but from another political angle or with another strategy in mind.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."



I remember going over this a little while back! It's a nothing burger of an article.

VideoGameVet posted:

I find that playing by the rules kinda fails with chuds.

They can react however they'd like, it's just the conclusion I have come to for myself!

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."



Has all the fight gone out of him? Is it bad that I feel a little sad? It wouldn't be pleasant to see if it was the case.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Lucania posted:

Was this posted? Let's see which congresswomen CNN considers the leaders on impeachment:

https://twitter.com/CNNnewsroom/status/1177968132188774400?s=19

Hrm.

Wait, what? I'm not trying to downplay their achievements, but it seems like a few alternative names would come to mind first.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Paradoxish posted:

It doesn't just inflate these women, it literally marginalizes the role played by the actual women who led the charge on impeachment. It's incredibly disgusting, condescending, whitewashing garbage.

It really is a phenomenally bad article. The most charitable understanding is that CNN is falsely assigning a leadership role to less visible and less active members of Congress regarding impeachment. At worst, that article is whitewashing and trying to destroy the work that POC/progressives have done getting all of this work done.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Paradoxish posted:

I don't think there's any room for a charitable interpretation, to be honest:


It's clear that the writer of this piece felt that the wrong people were in the spotlight and this is just an attempt to rectify. It's notable not only because it's a kind of gross article, but also because it's just completely tone deaf and out of touch.

Haha, wow. This article is really something:

quote:

When they got to talking, these five would-be congresswomen realized that they had a lot in common, despite being from different parts of the country: they all had careers in national security they were trying to parlay into elected office.

They became fast friends, and called themselves the "badasses."

"I think badasses kind of came organically from the group since we all had either served in the military or in the CIA," Houlahan said.

I don't think this could be any more neoliberal to be honest. Ideas, not identity - how does their past experience innately make them badasses at their present one?

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Dr. VooDoo posted:

This entire article is one long white neo-liberal whine that they aren’t getting the attention they feel they deserve because of those too loud POC like holy poo poo no self awareness

It's practically textbook and almost impressive as a result!

Slugworth posted:

Honestly, is there anything more badass than starting a club called the badass club and talking about how badass you are?

The thing about being a badass in your current role is that you need to consider yourself a badass for past experiences and demand respect and reputation at your current job based only on those past experiences. Also, a rule of being badass is that you need to constantly reaffirm that others think that you're a badass because you're insecure a total badass, of course! :v:

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."



I kind of want to see the full context of this quote before I react.

EDIT: From a cursory search, I cannot find the context within which this quote originated beyond this tweet. Maybe I'm just really bad at searching.

Dammerung fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Sep 29, 2019

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Lemming posted:

That's so loving creepy

I'm not sure if I would agree with that. He was meeting Chris Evans and probably thought it would be a fun way to normalize his injury and make Chris feel comfortable.


Hardly surprising, but it's good that we're not allowing this sort of behavior to become normalized.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Angry_Ed posted:

Considering Chris Evans is staunchly anti-GOP I don't think being a fascist co-opting Captain America would make him comfortable :v:

He made the choice to meet with Rep. Crenshaw, though! That meeting seems like it would have been the perfect time for him to say something if he was unhappy or uncomfortable.

Lemming posted:

I don't mean the general action of what he was trying to do, the execution is creepy. The white of the eye being black or dark blue looks creepy as gently caress

Ah, okay! I am sorry, I misunderstood you. It certainly is a striking eye.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."



...killing us all to own the libs...? Sheesh.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


JonathonSpectre posted:

Oh, THEY aren't going to die. Only TRIGGERED LIBS are vulnerable to heat, water, insects, and diseases!

Tardigrade/Cockroach 2024 - for an invincible future!

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."



It's not a criminal prosecution, though, he doesn't have the right to face his accuser.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Chimp_On_Stilts posted:

He doesn't care. He probably doesn't even have the capacity to understand, nevermind care.

His goal is to have a specific person to attack. A new Emmanuel Goldstein Hillary who can be given a nickname, probed for absolutely anything even vaguely resembling a bad history, etc.

Right now he's punching at nobody, which isn't how he knows to fight.

I know, he's trying to turn it into a competition/conflict between him and this person, which isn't how it works. It's like trying to push against a curtain, and it's curious to watch happen. Understandable, but still curious.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."



Respectable weight, unless he's doing that thing where you twist your entire body to help you curl.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Zophar posted:

Really not looking forward to seeing what happens when all of those farmer bailouts from his stupid trade war dry up. It has already destroyed a shitton of livelihoods in the reddest states.

It'll be okay, they'll just blame it on anybody who isn't Trump. Problem solved!

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Zapf Dingbat posted:

So when this is over, and whoever is president next gets to the White House and has to pick up all the McDonald's wrappers and diet Coke bottles, will we know the full effects of effectively not having a president for a few years?

Yes, the repercussions from losing a well-functioning state department, the brain drain caused by relocating various agencies across the country, and the amount of damage dealt to farmers alone will reverberate for years, let alone the damage done to our democracy.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


The Glumslinger posted:

They also completely destroyed the USDA

It's hard to remember it all sometimes.

EDIT: I'm sorry if I'm about to come off as lazy, but I definitely would want to see a list of everything which has been cut, reduced, or decimated by the Trump administration.

Dammerung fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Sep 30, 2019

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Ham posted:

Mifsud is a real person that was involved with the Russia stuff from the start. Reportedly he was the go between with George Papadopoulos.

NYT: Joseph Mifsud, Key to Russia Inquiry, Gets Moment in the Spotlight


He disappeared afterwards and it turned out he's now living under an assumed identity in Rome. Republicans have been setting off conspiracy theories about him fuelled by his disappearance, basically arguing he's a plant by the US intelligence community.

The fact that Barr, Pomepeo and now Gorka are loving around in Rome in the middle of this poo poo storm is likely an attempt to employ this as a way to extinguish the drive for impeachment if they can convince people the origin of the Russia investigation was through the previous administration.

They're going for a Hail Mary pass? How exciting!

empty whippet box posted:

That seems like a bit of a long shot, obviously the base will "believe" anything they say in the sense that they're just waiting to hear what the thing they're supposed to pretend they believe any time it's brought up is, but other than that type of person, nobody is gonna buy that.

I'm wondering how this is actually going to work out and how they're going to try to sell it.

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


CuddleCryptid posted:

I know this topic was posted earlier but I don't believe it included the fact that Bret Goddamned Stephens of the NYT is doing PragerU videos now.

https://twitter.com/prageru/status/1177209958493913089

I mean, it seems like his opportunities would be scarcer ever since he melted down and tried to attack people over being called a bedbug.

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Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


exquisite tea posted:

They're gonna do another impeachment poll a week from now and 95% of Republican voters will say "actually conspiring with foreign nations to get dirt on a political opponent is totally cool, and very legal" just like everything else Trump has done. The Republicans will never, ever abandon Trump because whatever he does pulls their voters in the same direction.

It, unfortunately, does make some sense that he'll likely to attract broad swaths of support from within the GOP. What else do the Republicans have if not for Trump? What other ideas and visions for the future, even tentative ones, are being proposed by other leaders within the GOP? Even his more vocal detractors seem stuck on just saying that he needs to do less morally/criminally dubious things and adhere more to :decorum: rather than change anything more substantial.

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