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Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

joylessdivision posted:

I too would take Hugh Jackman as a patron. :hmmyes:

This is hilariously appropriate since the Werewolf design in van helsing is considered an accurate portrayal of the crinos from (as far as reddit is concerned).

Heh I could see a pack seeing the movie on a slow day while drinking literal galleons of alcohol and ripping into it on how much it got wrong.

Ghost Armor 1337 fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Jul 28, 2023

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Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Free Gratis posted:

On this note, the beginning on the book is really rough. It repeatedly hits you with how much things suck and the apocalypse is now and Gaia may already be dead etc etc.

I get that ecological crisis is very real, but the opening of this book was like doom scrolling twitter and didn’t make me want to play at all.

Yeah the biggest problem with the current white wolf is that they forgot the gonzo poo poo that they put (more often unentonally than not) in they old books balances out all the dark poo poo in it.

Hell if was in charge of the line I would embrace the gonzo, granted if I was in charge of the then WOD will slowly morph into something resembling battle anime setting so who knows.

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

MonsieurChoc posted:

oWoD was very 90s OVA anime, with gratuitous gore and violence. So that would merely be a change of genre.

You know I was thinking more jujutsu kaisen or chainsaw man then 90s ova when writing the post, but yeah totally appropriate.

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Nessus posted:

At a certain point the solution becomes “to play the previous edition of the game “.

Or run a werewolf themed refluff of Mahralika because if you get down to it a werewolf is a furry mecha :lol: :
https://youtu.be/g1nY2bnjfqE

I'm not completely joking either since Mahralika has a similar sanity system, (although instead of getting crippling mad or sad like in w5 it's closer to "the God bound to your mecha is taking you over because you're a bit too disconnected from humanity").

Hell from what I've seen the social system of Mahralika is much more robust than w 5, a game based primarily around mecha combat having a more well thought out system for social interaction and sainity than a story game doesn't say good things about it.

Also writers are proudly Filipino and it shows in the setting.

Ghost Armor 1337 fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Aug 3, 2023

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Nessus posted:

On the one hand the combat engine is more efficient, and on the other hand it seems that if you suffer a handful of substantial setbacks your character succumbs to Werewolf Depression.

An easy solution is to backport the combat engine to a previous edition then.

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

ZearothK posted:

Run all WoD combat in a system with good combat, like Strike! or Lancer.

Why that just proves my point that werewolf are furry mecha:xd:

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Lord_Hambrose posted:

As wonderful as Lancer is, I would never consider playing it again unless there is a strick turn timer or a pretty small group of players.


How about lumen? It's intended to be extremely easy to play as a d6 based system with only three stats to keep track of. There's already dozens of games using the system out there so it isn't inconceivable for someone to do a werewolf themed hack.

Ghost Armor 1337 fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Aug 3, 2023

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Lord_Hambrose posted:

At least this new one calls out it is a reimagining, so things from previous editions may not still be true.

Or more cynically allows ww to double back as they please.

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023
You know all this talk about "street level" makes me want to see how a WOD game set in project moon's city, it's pretty easy to do a "street level" games if the world beyond said (back)streets are monster filled wastelands.

Edit: also from what little we've seen "street level" in the city has different connections from new ww definition of the term since street level in the city means you can become captain America by visiting your local Tattoo palor, augmentation is so common that not having them marks you as extremely gifted or an idiot and bizarre poo poo happens frequently enough that most people just dismiss it as some piece of one off tech and move on.

Ghost Armor 1337 fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Aug 3, 2023

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

AmiYumi posted:

Given WW’s heavy American focus, this is largely (though probably not intentionally) reflecting of the zeitgeist and the overall rightward shift in US politics


:toot:

Well it doesn't stop anyone from writing an fan supplement for say the current actor strike where greedy studios is slowly strangleing them selves for greed or maybe an book about the exploits of the Australian Ragbash friendlyjordies ripping apart his home countryies corrupt polticans both with his words and claws.

Ghost Armor 1337 fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Aug 4, 2023

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Ferrinus posted:

The weird obsession with big organizations is where H5's neoliberal ideology comes through the strongest and most heavily distorts the game. We may never know why new White Wolf decided that the most important real-world metaphor for hunting vampires was Silicon Valley startup culture, but that's what we got.
Hmm I wonder how most start ups are doing right now?

I heard good things about jucerio since since you can't really mess up a juice maker and SBF seems like his good with money since he's able to buy an whole stadium:roflolmao:

But sarcasm out of way how would you map the recent ongoing collapse of the crypto market and the growing negative public perception towards start ups in general a hypothetical H5.5 if you were writing it?

Ghost Armor 1337 fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Aug 5, 2023

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023



Personally I would have a large faction of hunters realize that looking over your shoulder 24/7 for monsters that may or may not exists while bumming in a ratty apartment sucks, it's better to have the resources and man power an org can provide than "personal integrity".

An example of that would be becoming an Zwei associate in my weird Project moon/World of darkness fusion thing I'm working on, sure an hunter don't need to become a Zwei associate to clean they section back streets of vampires but the heavy discount that comes with being a associate means the Zwei patrol subscription is much more affordable then protection payment for the local spine ripper syndicate and the payment for Zwei requests are triple compared the what you earn form normal missions...

Ghost Armor 1337 fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Aug 5, 2023

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Ferrinus posted:

The funny thing about the Technocrats, both IRL and in Mage, is that by winning, they lost. It sort of looks like they're in charge, or like it would be a good idea if they're in charge, but in fact they themselves are just hapless servants of an emergent phenomenon that they've helped to cultivate but have no means of controlling. They're under the control (or Control) of the blind, idiot god that is capital; overthrowing and expropriating them would be doing them a favor.

Yep that's why the Technocrats is long overdew a socialist revolution. The union from LANCER did it and it's a fully automated gay luxury space communist utopia.

Ghost Armor 1337 fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Sep 15, 2023

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023
^ :dogstare: at W5chat

Ok things are getting too depressing even for this thread so let's have some :nyan: MEMES!!! :nyan:

Meanwhile in a timeline where White Wolf is bought out by Games Workshop....

Tehre is noh time to beh lohst!

Batul Brothas!

Garoues, todeh the enemeh is at oua doar! We know oua duteh and we will do eet. We fight for our honor as Savor Fanges,
as GAROUES, and we fight in the nehme of Ghaya!

And if we die this deh we die in gloareh, we die heroes' deffs, but we shall not die, no! It is the enemeh who will tehste deff and defeat! As you know’’

Moast of oua battle brothars are shtehtioned in UMBRAA, Pruhpeared to deep strike! Oua perimeter has been
pruhpeared in the even dat oua enehmies should be so bald and so foolish. We have plehced numerous merroirs , allowing for
muhltiple, simuln-tehneous and devashtehting defensive deep strikes The Latries namees this maneuvah Merroir Fhang. We will descend upon the foe, we will ovawhelm them - we will leave none
alive! Meanwhile oua ground fawses will ensue the full defense of oua headkwaters

We are the Garoues! WE ARE THE GHAYA'S FHANGES!

*Proceeds to start a muti page flame war VIGOROUS DISCUSSION on the ongoing space marinefication of Garou broken up by complaint's on price of the recent minis (Goon: why do I need five modals just to play one character!? GW: :capitalism: :smug:)*

Ghost Armor 1337 fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Sep 22, 2023

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Nessus posted:

I thought they de-space-marined Garou, in that Garou were actually pretty great at kickin' rear end, the problem came when it wasn't kickin' rear end adjacent, to the point where they had entire tribes whose gimmick was "we are capable of interacting with modern technology without wolfing out and eating a computer" or "we had the insightful idea to maybe try meditating sometime" or "maybe we could try only being assholes some of the time".

Oh no the joke for that particular post is that in a alterative timeline where white wolf is brought out by GW instead of Paradox and for subsequently leads to the werewolves completely saturate the WOD setting for whatever reasons. Maybe the writers has an easer time writing the garou since they so familiar, maybe some c-suit got it into they minds that since the company is named white wolf then they should focuse on the werewolves and finally since the werewolves have five forms then they can easly sell five times the figures for they inevitable table top wargame.

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Kurieg posted:

The only person I'd really trust to "Get" Werewolf 5th edition right would be Skemp and he's nowhere to be found.

I could think other people who could write a good Werewolf game, even if the end results would diverge from both WT:A V5 and Legacy story and tone wise.

One I could think on the top of my head is the guys who wrote SPIRE, who got the rage agent the MAN (tm) tone of werewolf down (with THE MAN(tm) being high elf occupying your homeland, rather than grimderp captain planet villeins). Hell SPIRE even got Gonzo Just look at the classes in the core and supplement which includes animist batman, a rabble rouser who at higher levels could turn into a literal riot, a perpetually drunken ganger-knight who access they high level skills by going on quests and a literal pulp author whose belief in they story is so strong it manifests into reality (although huffing magical runoff ink helps too).

Hell I know of a poster on SpaceBattles who have some fascinating insights on Garou politics. Like part of a post on how the Fennia is divided is an amusing anecdote on how the British branch of Fennia want to change the tribes name since the name is an Irish hero, they came up with Wolves of the Round Table. It was quickly rejected.

Edit: hell if you really despite then you can then could have Matt Ward write W5 would have opposite problem...

MrMojok posted:

e: I guess I have just described D&D but with VtM rules and setting

Well one of my ideas is basically H:TR by the way of dark hearsay that is also a fusion of project moon verse, which I head cannon as World of Darkness after dozens of simultaneous apocalypse.

Ghost Armor 1337 fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Sep 23, 2023

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Nessus posted:

It will probably be an anime or something.

I mean my idea involves fusing WOD with project moon which is kinda of anime...

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Gatto Grigio posted:

Probably because they saw the success that D&D had with doing that to its own 5e! :D
And of course like dnd 5e the fans have taken upon
themselves to , since I saw a group of openly Queer artists (along with Sambrano as a consultant )on tumblr have takeing upon them selves to write some fan expansion with a explicit focus on garou history and the future of the garou nation.

Ghost Armor 1337 fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Jan 1, 2024

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Lord_Hambrose posted:

Part of why World of Darkness is dying, and Chronicles is dead.

Honestly WOD could do with a parthfinder equivalent. If nothing else than give us player some options.

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

ZearothK posted:

But nWOD is already the Pathfinder to oWOD's DnD.


Well there's no rule for multiple parthfinder is there.

Well conting with the d&d compersion anyone got a pitch wod version of Eberron?

I got something similar to it in my head. It's got magical trains and everything.

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

bewilderment posted:

Not pbta but I assume you're talking about All Of Their Strengths.

So basically Wod only everyone in the party is Samuel Hyate

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Nessus posted:

Yeah, as much as people joke about it, the premise of "you are a wolf-man Planeteer but your ring is Rage and you and your pack summon Captain Planet by wolfing out and waxing a ton of dudes" is a pretty easy sell.

Yeah it actually pretty popular, enough that a group on tumblr is essentially called werewolf the essentials is going make they own edition based on w20.

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Explodingdice posted:

Years ago I ran an old world of darkness thing where I just swapped out the garou with the uratha. I think that's the approach I'd take now, I just don't have the desire to strip out what I want to use from 5th ed werewolf.

I don't see how hard is it to that since W5 is so stripped down on release. Objectively you're adding to the book.

Also you could made the collapse of the Nation plot point more interesting. Like instead of the remints of the nation split between Cult of Fenrir and the other tribes, when you could instead have tribes break up into political Blocks and make it clear to the players that most Garou want's to rebuild the nation but most Garou don't agree on what the rebuilt Garou nation would actually and are currently in a dead lock until the player party arrives.

Ghost Armor 1337 fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Jan 11, 2024

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

MoonKnight posted:

Gehenna War and Shattered Nation both seem like they might turn out interesting.

Yeah I sense a bit of backtracking going on Parawolf's end since Gehenna is a major world changing event well beyond the local scope intended by WOD 5e and from what little read about Shartted nation onyx parth? well it could be summed up in four words somehow Albrecht is canon.

I suspect WOD 5 as the whole might have catched Rise of Skywalkeiutius that or parawolf didn't give they authors any directions beyond the source books so they have to mine old lore to get anything done.

Mister Olympus posted:

i thought curseborne was a dndlike because they have resigned themselves to the state of rpgs as they are

It could be simple as onyx parth porting all they old WOD books into the storyparth system with a few name changes.


Soonmot posted:

BLOOD! AT THE DISCO! as a game that just lea s full into the gonzo aspect mixed with a healthy dose of WWDitS would be a great game

Honestly talking about Disco I would love the guys who wrote Disco Elysium to have a crack at WOD and see what they come up with, or at least go inde and make a WOD inspired game since I doubt they would work with big companies due to what happened with ZA/UM...

Ghost Armor 1337 fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Mar 6, 2024

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Jul 28, 2023

Free Cog posted:

For what it's worth, that was established in the W5 corebook. The section on Talismans points out the Silver Crown as a legendary Talisman belonging to the "Albrecht lineage" which, given that Lycanthropy is no longer directly tied to genetics in this version of the setting, probably makes the idea of a lineage existing at all a huge deal. Considering that and a few other callbacks, W5 seems like it's taking more of a Ultimate Marvel-style approach to rebooting the setting when it's not taking a few pages from Werewolf: The Forsaken First Edition: a whole lot of familiar names, recontextualized as necessary.

Well one worry I have is that renegade might start to crowbar in old lore into the setting without thinking about how it's affect things both narratively and mechanically, since either A) as a reaction to the negative fan reception of W5 core and/or B) renegade writers have run out of ideas so they have to mine old W20 material to pad out they book, hell I seen mentions on onyx path of a supplement called Scent of Decay which centers around a bane corrupted company that may or may not be pentex...

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Free Cog posted:

Hunter: The Reckoning, I suppose. Even then, terminology like Creeds and Edges are there because you gotta use them. If you don't use it, you might lose it.

Talking about Hunter I remember mentions of a supplement that runs counter to the intend tone of the core book so I'm guessing it's org splatbook or it involves the imbued.

Ghost Armor 1337 fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Mar 7, 2024

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Fuzz posted:

As it stands, an old ancilla or elder Vampire is WAY stronger than a werewolf in 5E. It's like not even a question, it's stupidly lopsided. It's no surprise that in Fall of London Mithras was able to kill an entire werewolf pack on his own.

You know I always wonder how a w20 werewolf would fare if they were put into w5 with little to no regard for balance?

I'm going to guess it's somewhere between xianxia protag cleaving through a rivals sect for insulting his jade beauty to single hardly rebuilding the garou nation by convincing each and every garou they come across that they're Gaia's avatar.

Ghost Armor 1337 fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Mar 9, 2024

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Nessus posted:

The Emperor of Woofkind

Ah yes one many possible identity of Big D. He would also have a golden crown which is much better than that dweeb MorningKill's sliver crown.

Like seriously that's basically wearing a crown made of Arsenic and you'd have to be pretty dumb to ware a crown made of poison for you're kind.

Ghost Armor 1337 fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Mar 9, 2024

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Fuzz posted:



For the healing, the thing about vampires is they can get back Hunger pretty easily, whereas Rage economy is stupid and hosed up in W5. In general it's a poorly designed game mechanically, but that's what happens when you let a shithead like Justin Achilli run the whole show. W5 is an extremely flawed game.


Yeah I wonder how Hendersons worth of derailment could a w20 werewolf do in sesson of a w5 game...

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

TheCenturion posted:

The idea is supposed to be strength with the pack. The reality is baby woofs beat baby vampire, but elder vampire beats elder woofs. But it doesn’t matter because woofs are too busy dragging each other down, and really need to stop doing that.

So how would a W20 wolf actually stack up to a W5 wolf and could said W20 wolf break the intended tone of the w5 setting over they knee?

Ghost Armor 1337 fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Mar 10, 2024

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Gatto Grigio posted:

Closest you could probably find to that is playing a Lunar Exalted in the “Exalted vs. WoD” fan game

So you're saying that W20 werewolf in W5 is basically the return of the firstborn. Yeah that tracks.

Honestly Unlike Parawolf I'm a big believer in buffing other characters to match the stronger character rather than nerfing the stronger character. Which is why I would like to fuse world of darkness setting with the Project moon shared universe.

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Fuzz posted:

Basically. They made them a lot more in line with Forsaken, in terms of power level and mechanics. You can't walk around writing poetry and making baskets in Crinos anymore, either, it literally penalizes you if you're not trying to murder something every turn it's active.

Yeah but it's role-playing game and people wanna role-play in all they forms.

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Fuzz posted:

I assume it's the usual 1-2 per session which assumes you're college age neckbeards who can play every week or whatever.

I dunno, I ignore all their guidelines and have my own system for WoD games, but I never play or run werewolf because I just really do not give a gently caress about Apocalypse's core themes and metaplot. The real world is dying and corporations are ruining everything, I play games for escapism, if I want depressing corporatist poo poo I'd just play a (much better) cyberpunk setting where I can have a laser in my arm or something.
I mean I actually found an short fan supplement called Werewolf punk remix. It's ment to more of a clean break than W5 while also slightly transparent critique on its source material. Most of the text of WPR is basically here's how W5 did it and here's how it should be done.

Also one of the tribes are explicitly historians and archaeologists, which is a critique on how parawolf handled lore and the perfect vehicle for st to insert lore both old and new.

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Ferrinus posted:

drat, sucks for them.

I'll give Werewolf this, though: Rage dice are a much, much better design than Hunger dice. They actually do an elegant job of illustrating the way that rage is a double-edged sword, since rage dice effectively have an expanded crit range if you're doing anything violent with the exact same probability that they might spoil your attempt to do anything peaceful; meanwhile, Hunger just sucks, such that a hungry vampire is simply a strictly-worse version of a sated vampire. And, when rage dice do activate, they just do it by changing the outcome of a roll rather than by saddling you with an extra responsibility to punish someone for attempting a roll no matter what; you don't have to go flipping through tables and lists to think of some appropriate negative consequence to parcel out because someone simply can't be allowed to get away with rolling a pair of red 1s.

It's still outrageously stupid that taking damage gives you +Rage except when you're in combat. Damage-based combat-speed mana regen would've been perfect! Who could possibly see that game-mechanical slam dunk and deliberately spoil it??

Honesty in my version of wta I would Heavily dempathasized Rage, hingosk and haran, with the narrative justification being garou getting hit by Ayin Pillar of light (before yes this setting is a PM verse/wod fusion).

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Dawgstar posted:


It's not really a dissent. H5 didn't land with as much as an awkward thud as W5 did but for the people who liked Reckoning there wasn't much of it in H5 beyond the name and while I'm the first to admit a lot to do with the Imbued needs some very critical work it's probably for the best we didn't see Paradox attempt it going off of W5. Still, it's a very baby bathwater situation.

I mean Hunter the Parenting pulls off H5's intended tone better than H5 it self. And even then Big D is heavy implied to be a imbued and even if he isn't one, He's bizarrely knowledgeable of the supernatural for H5 PC...

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Dawgstar posted:

I don't know what this is or why Dunklezahn is in it.

It's web series by the guys who done if the emperor has a text to speech device after that series is shut down due to the warhammer+ mess...

The main cast is actually transparents of the tts cast (ex: kitten is the Custodes with part of his name happen to be little kitten, Marckus is Magnus the Red, Door is Rogal Dorn, Big D is the god man emperor of mankind, ect), only instead of superhuman demigods of canon, the cast is just regular humans (jury's out on Big D and Marckus seems to in the process of aweakning as a mage...)

There's currently four episodes released on YouTube alongside some spin-off audio logs. The first three involves the main cast capturing a pack of sabbat and the messy aftermarth and recent episodes is a whodunit in the Arcanum chapterhouse involving big D's ex boyfriend.

Ghost Armor 1337 fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Apr 11, 2024

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Lord_Hambrose posted:

New Reckoning is too boring to even discuss.

I mean the only good thing come out of it is hunter the parenting. Though I'd admit it shares more of its DNA with hunters hunted.

Although I did hear that the supplment actually goes agenst the tone of the core books...

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

OPAONI posted:

I cannot express how sad finding out that the big apocalypse doesn't properly end makes me.

Yeah although my vison of a post apocalyptic wod is basically the City from the project moon shared universe so I'm a bit of werido.

Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023

Ferrinus posted:

It's basically my group's cyberunk nWoD setting.

Yeah let's talk about that setting Rather than going on about semantics.

thatbastardken posted:

immortal foes repeating their ideological battle in a continuous cycle, neither learning nor yielding, as the world moves on around them? sounds pretty WoD.

Yes let's all agree that v5 suck and move on.

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Ghost Armor 1337
Jul 28, 2023
Could you two just stop with the vamp talk and movie on to something else? Like what the hell would happen wod IP if/when bloodlines 2 flopped. I personally hope GW buy up the rights.

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