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Dec 10, 2011

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A Proper Uppercut posted:

I'll also second the Bujold rec, also in the fantasy vein, Robin Hobb.

If we're also talking fantasy, I recommend Louise Cooper's Indigo Saga. It perhaps has a certain amount of "when did the author figure out the ending of her eight-book series?", but said ending is stuck hard.

I'll stick my oar in for Stella Gemmell too. Her work is less muscular than her late husband's, but you can see her influence on him. It's hard to tell which parts of the final volume of the Troy trilogy were hers.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Ornamented Death posted:

Mike Resnick passed away.

I just heard from Janis Ian and came here to post. Sad news.

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PST posted:

(Also Mike Resnick died, and the pearl clutchers are all in a tizzy as people revisit his awfulness and bigotry)

Mike Resnick was friends with gay musician Janis Ian for over 25 years and assembled a Who's Who of SF writers to write an anthology of stories inspired by her music. I heard about his death from her, on the day. Janis takes no poo poo from bigots and does not tolerate them in her life. So I'm going to need more detail from you on that.

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ed balls balls man posted:

Solidarity to the General.

Incredible cover for his next Baru book. So excited for it. If you haven't seen it link.

I thought Tyrant was his title for the last book?

I hope things pick up for him.

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quantumfoam posted:

Susan Calvin tied that story collection together, and made it work. Other than Susan Calvin, weren't most of the other female characters in Asimov's stories love interests or something?
Favorite 2 oddball Asimov story that never seems to make it into anthologies are Asimov's robo-brain/AI going let there be light story, and the story about 3 heavy-gravity robots visiting jupiter or saturn and inadvertently stopping a extinction level interplanetary war.

It was Jupiter, and the story is collected in The Complete Robot anthology released in the 1980s. I forget the name of it though.

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90s Cringe Rock posted:

Victory Unintentional.

I always liked the one about Cutie, whose job is to keep space power beams on target and who quite reasonably determines that the outside universe is false data, they're obeying god, and the humans who visit the satellite are just being created with false memories because they can't handle the truth and then destroyed when they leave.

Powell and Donovan are if anything better than Susan Calvin as protagonists, and they appear in even fewer stories.

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freebooter posted:

edit - further lol at every one of his commenters disagreeing with him, and his assertion that Gibson is a good writer because his Alien 3 film could have been the best in the series because "Hicks was the hero, Ripley was barely in it"

Which is looking even dumber as a take now Gibson's Alien 3 has been adapted.

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FuturePastNow posted:

Meanwhile Harry Turtledove found the correct use of twitter:

https://twitter.com/HNTurtledove/status/1219070058711769088

Turtledove wrote a seven book series that was basically "what if both World Wars, but we're the Nazis and we're exterminating blacks?" He doesn't do nuance.

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pradmer posted:

Sandman Slim by Richard Kadrey - $1.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00338QF1E
Looks like a less serious Dresden Files.

Sandman Slim is decidedly more grimdark than Dresden, but it's also significantly better.

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quantumfoam posted:

Anyway, dipped into the Rivers of London series last month(read the first 4 books). Didn't hate the books, don't blindly love them either. The "UK Wizard Cops" premise kind of aged badly, given all thats gone down in the UK since the series started.

I enjoy the Peter Grant series, but they're kind of hampered for me by knowing that when Ben Aaronovitch wrote the first book he'd never actually been to Russell Square. (Source: Aaronovitch, B.)

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ToxicFrog posted:

The Girl With All The Gifts was fantastic. I think I got the recommendation from this very thread. It has a sequel now (The Boy on the Bridge) but I haven't read it, and Gifts works fine on its own.

The Boy on the Bridge is a prequel, not a sequel. It's an odd duck; it resolves a question asked in the original book, so whichever book you read first, you're spoiling yourself on the other.

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scary ghost dog posted:

need someone to explain to me how “having medieval swords & sorcery” makes something derivative.

I need someone to explain to me how being derivative makes something de facto bad.

That said, I bounced off First Law like a brick wall because it read like an inferior imitation of Gemmell. I don't think I even finished the first book. YMMV, of course.

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Evil Fluffy posted:

Catelyn Stark. Her arrogance and stupidity directly lead to the Red Wedding because she thought some guest rules were an unbreakable shield against retribution.

They were, technically. Catelyn just didn't notice that Walder Frey was weaselling around the rules by serving his guests with neither bread nor salt.

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PeterWeller posted:

Yeah, I enjoyed it.


They're not, though. They're just custom. Walder weaseling around the technicalities of the custom shows how tenuous of a shield they really are.

The fact that he did weasel around them shows that there was a need to do so.

If you want something similar from the other side, look at 71-Hour Ahmed in Jingo by Terry Pratchett. Ahmed got his nickname after he killed a man an hour before the third day of the customary hospitality period was over. For this he is considered by his countrymen to be unforgivable, even though he did it because the man he killed was a mass murderer. Customs can be hugely important in some cultures, and we're told through the story of the Rat King in Game of Thrones that guestright in Westeros is one of them.

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anilEhilated posted:

Oh, I've read them too, but they are a lot weaker compared to the later ones and may discourage a potential reader off Discworld.

When I read TCOM and TLF for the first time, there weren't any other Discworld books to read. The best reason to start people with those two is because while they're fun, the series does nothing but get better until it peaks some time around Maskerade.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Alhazred posted:

I honestly think that the movie improves Dick's stories. He had good ideas, but workmanlike prose. There's no way he could've come up with the "tears in the rain" bit for example.

Hampton Fancher didn't come up with it either.

I maintain that a SF book collection is like lesbian porn, in that there's no need to have any Dick in it.

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pradmer posted:

The Devil You Know (Felix Castor #1) by Mike Carey - $2.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000QRIGVM/
Same author as MR Carey who wrote The Girl with All the Gifts

This is a very, very good series and I recommend it to all, particularly at $3 a volume.

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ToxicFrog posted:

I really enjoyed The Girl With All The Gifts so this is at least interesting to me, but I have two questions:
- with five books in, is the series finished, or is this going to be another UF series that drags on for half a dozen books after it should have ended?
- how much weight should I be giving the reviews saying it's "almost as good as Dresden Files" given that I really didn't like DF?

1) Mike planned a sixth book at one point, but the story is functionally complete after book 5. I think he's abandoned the idea now.

2) No weight at all, because the Castor books are so far above the Dresden Files that Jim Butcher couldn't see them with the Hubble Telescope.

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Safety Biscuits posted:

He also wrote Hellblazer for a bit, and that's a better comparison; the mystery aspect was quite strong. The first one was good, but I didn't read the rest.

It's a much better comparison, honestly, in that Felix Castor and John Constantine are both scousers transplanted to London who got over their heads in magic a few years previous and caused someone a great deal of harm thereby. The difference is in how they responded to it. Constantine is a self confessed bastard who'll throw anyone under the bus, whereas Castor cares too much even when it's against his own best interests.

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a foolish pianist posted:

It looks like all the files are plain text. Lots of them don't have extensions, though.

code:
$ cat sflovers/books/bibs/Burroughs.Edgar.Rice | head
Date:  4 Mar 89 09:50:34 PST (Saturday)
Subject: Author Lists: Edgar Rice Burroughs
From: [email]jwenn@world.std.com[/email] (John Wenn)
To: SF-LOVERS%rutgers:EDU
Edited: 27-Jun-95

Edgar Rice Burroughs is one of the all time classic pulp writers.  As
such, one does not read him for his prose style or characterization.  Many
modern readers find him unreadable.  But, his stories do have unceasing
action, marvelously inventive worlds, brave heroes, beautiful princesses,

Who the gently caress is finding Burroughs unreadable? I read the original Barsoom trilogy just this year and they still stand up.

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General Battuta posted:

CHAPTER ELEVEN

Some men, Commander Norton had decided long ago, should not be allowed aboard ship; weightlessness did things to their shafts that were too drat distracting. It was bad enough when they were motionless, loose under the uniform jumpsuit and idly half-erect; blood flowed easily in zero gravity. But when they started to move, and the inertia of their pipe drifted behind each turn like a lazy python dangling from a car window, it was more than any warm-blooded male should be asked to take. He was quite sure that at least one serious space accident had been caused by acute crew distraction after some young stallion thrust himself feet-first through the hatch into the control habin, loudly slapping his drifting hang against his spacer-perfect abs.

He had once mentioned this theory to Surgeon-Commander Laurence Ernst, without revealing who had inspired this particular vein of thought. There was no need; they knew each other much too well. On Earth, years ago, in a moment of mutual loneliness and depression, they had once made love. Probably they would never repeat the experience (but could one ever be quite sure of that?) because so much had changed for both of them. Yet whenever the well-endowed Surgeon slithered into the Commander's cabin, twitching with the routine Kegels required to preserve muscle in zero gravity, Norton felt a fleeting echo of an old passion, Laurence saw that he felt it, and everyone was happy.

Thank you for this early excerpt from Baru Cormorant 4.

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buffalo all day posted:

Earthsea is a good call, it was intentionally written as fantasy that featured POC. She could just read Tombs of Atuan which has a female POC protagonist.

Er, no it doesn't. The Kargs are explicitly white.

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StrixNebulosa posted:

It's very good, BUT it contains copious amounts of rape, child abuse, child murder, rape, violence, and other really distasteful subjects. Marlon James pulled no punches and it's grimdark as hell.

You said "rape" twice.

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In case you missed the reference. Shame on Rat for not giving you a chance to supply the punchline yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bigZ1fmwD-Q

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StrixNebulosa posted:

Oh! I have never seen that movie, didn't know what you were doing.

Well I'm embarrassed. I sort of assumed that everyone has seen Blazing Saddles. (You should correct that if you ever get the chance, BTW, it's almost as funny as Young Frankenstein.)

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genericnick posted:

I think I've never read anything by David Gemmell, but the name keeps turning up, any particular place to take a look?

Start at the beginning with Legend. If you like that, move onto the Rigante novels, Jon Shannow and possibly Lion of Macedon.

Gemmell's strength always lay in his flawed protagonists. Jon Shannow is probably the best of those because he's literally insane - a religious fanatic on an impossible quest to find Jerusalem in a post-apocalyptic world, trying to be a good and peaceful man when that's the last thing he can be - but they're all imperfect and they all have fears to face.

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Gnoman posted:

Something like Captain Tripps from The Stand would be destroyed as soon as the capabilities were discovered, because nobody wants a weapon that is guaranteed to wipe out the user as well as the target. That sort of agent only makes sense if it is somehow far deadlier than intended, or if the people using it are simply omnicidal.

I admire your optimism. What would more probably happen is that whoever developed Captain Trips would keep it and try to develop a vaccine.

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Safety Biscuits posted:

Speaking of dinosaurs, here's something to discuss. Who is the oldest currently active sf writer? I'm referring to their careers, not the number of candles on their cake. Michael Moorcock was first published in the late 50s, but doesn't seem to have published anything since 2015. Samuel R. Delany's first novel was in 1960, and he published a novella in 2018, which seems like it counts, and Larry Niven (first published in 1964) has, according to Wikipedia, a co-authorship credit on a book this year, but you don't know how much he wrote...

Can you think of anyone else from the 60s who's still active?

Ben Bova has been active since 1959.

E: Christopher Priest is still working as well.

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rocode posted:

Just got the email for this!

A little confused by this line, though:

Do I not recall that the planned split in Tyrant was cancelled, thus sparing GB the Martinesque mountain climb of trying to find a title for the extra book?

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quantumfoam posted:

The best book that handles that kind of plot twist is probably Mission of Gravity.
The first two paragraphs in it have you thinking it's some mediocre fantasy adventure story involving a ship.
Then the third paragraph low-key mentions accidents happening more and more because everyone currently weighs a mere 2.5 pounds when they usually weigh 550 pounds back home.
Then the fourth paragraph makes it apparent/obvious everyone in the crew is non-humanoid.

Only a Goon would need to reach the next paragraph before realising that the people who weigh 550lbs aren't human.

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pseudanonymous posted:

So now they’re only asking like 10$ more than it’s worth.

I get you don't like Sanderson's writing, but he volunteered to give his book away and Tor aren't even replacing their regular Book Club drop with it. Was there any particular need to be a prick about this?

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Safety Biscuits posted:

William Gibson's Desert Island Discs interview is online, and you should be able to listen to it wherever you are. Even if you're not, check out his choice of luxury for a desert island.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00941v7

To save people the trouble: he wanted a junkyard.

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pseudanonymous posted:

Are you really stupid enough to think he’s not doing it to make money? He’s doing it so people read the first book then buy the rest.

If his books were as bad as you make out there would be no danger of people buying the others. You're having a "nobody is allowed to like this thing I don't like" moment.

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Prism Mirror Lens posted:

I’m subbed to several SF/fantasy magazines but it’s driving me nuts that at least one of these (usually more) turns up in every single issue:

- Robots, but they inexplicably have emotions and personalities. And they’re an obvious stand-in for minorities. And everyone is a raging robot racist.

We've read Murderbot, you know.

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Ninurta posted:

Hamilton's Commonwealth Saga (Pandora & Judas Unchained) are probably his best works. Pandora's introduction was fantastic and unlike his other works I think the plot really benefited from behind condensed into a duology rather than a trilogy. It's unfortunate that he decided to double dip with the Void trilogy which takes place 1,000 years later and ruins anything that was interesting in the series.

And Misspent Youth, which is a prequel.

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quantumfoam posted:

"action, weapons and armor, fighting sick rear end foes as a nobody": Strontium Dogs and the Judge Dredd 2000 AD series popped to mind.

Dredd doesn't really fit the "nobody" bill, considering that he's known and feared throughout a city of 800 million people and considered so important to law and order that they installed a replacement under his name when he retired.

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Cardiac posted:

Fahrenheit is a lovely metric, which in contrast to Celsius have no good translation to Kelvin.

(5F - 160)/9 - 273 = K.

Really, though, you should be using Rankine in that situation because it's the absolute scale for Fahrenheit. 0°R = -459.67 °F.

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TheAardvark posted:

The problem is Murderbot has a human face, and it's a hell of a lot harder to imagine a human face as perfectly genderless than it is a robot.

I picture Murderbot as the Terminator cosplaying as Master Chief, because that's basically what it is.

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Safety Biscuits posted:

Yes - it's more similar to the early Discworld book with the great spell that scares all the other magic out of Rincewind's head.

That would be because in the early Discworld novels Pratchett was explicitly parodying Vancian magic. (Congratulations, it's not often we see a Reverse Hogwarts in the wild.)

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OK, I bought The Monster. General B, I have faith in you to deliver a title for the fourth book. Don't let me down.

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